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Jon Fletcher
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thanks for showing that

yeah i think you should darken the fur some more, and possibly the skin, to kinda differ from the barbarian.

im suprised you didnt do backward knees for this guy, what with the hooves and all

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 18:04
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Quote: "im suprised you didnt do backward knees for this guy, what with the hooves and all "


I had planned to, but after Googling some concept images I thought the "tiptoe" stance looked a little cooler. Yeah I'll darken the skin to make appear more like hide rather than skin.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 22:14
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Jeez ive not seen this thread in ages.
I was actually shocked how good/realistic all the models look. Particular fave is the night elf

Quote: "And here is the minotaur, named Kaz for KeithC."


So what? Does Kieth look like that or something? Haha just midding Kieth (Even if you do have horns/hairy legs/hooves etc etc )

Awesome work, Mark.

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the graphics look like they could go on the xbox 360 or ps3!

there amasing, probably not going to buy this, but they are the sexy

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 22:35
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The only problem with the normal knees is that it makes the character look like he is wearing high heels. I think that if you added a natural bend to the knees it woul remove this appearance.

Meaning: Instead of straight human legs make them have a nice bend at the knees. Remember that carrying the extra weight and the fact that it does walk on hooves means that his legs are not going to be straight.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 00:36 Edited at: 19th Feb 2007 00:36
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Reality Forgotten: There actually IS some bend in the knees, kind of hard to tell in the pic since there isn't a reference plane. Here is a side shot with a reference plane, does this look better?



I think his weight is centered pretty well, too much bend and he looks like he's taking a dump. Once he's animated I'll have a better idea though, if he looks to "prancy" when walking. Thanks for the comments.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 01:24
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The Minotaur looks Great, very nice detail work bond1!
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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 02:39 Edited at: 19th Feb 2007 02:47
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Bond, I see the bend but something isn't right.I think it may be the proportion from legs to torso. I did some searching in Google and this is what I found. Your model comes really close. It is a great model I am not trying to take away from that. Something is just a bit off with it. Anyways here is the photo.

keep up the good work!

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I think i figured it out. the feet are to human looking. they should be hoofs. As it is now they look like old canvas backs (converse all-stars). Alos the upper leg is not beefy enough. they need to be larger, remember the minotaur is alot heavier than a human so the legs have to be like tree trunks. The legs are also what give the minotaur it's lethal power. The neck is to skinny as well. it has to be thick enough to cary the face and the horns. and judging by how bulls use them horns to fight and other things they neck should be a massive extremity. also the the neck and the chest meet in an akward position. there should be little or no seperation between the two. Look at the photo below to see what I am talking about.

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i think it looks fine, reminds me of something you would see in titan quest or Might and magic.

so photo realistic, if you seen that in anchant times, it would scare the crap out of the villagers.

have you ever considered of working for a professonal game company?

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oh sorry to tell you this now i just noticed, the stumps at t he front of the forhead, i think there ears, you should get rid of them, it brings the detail down way too much

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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 05:52 Edited at: 19th Feb 2007 05:56
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Reality Forgotton: that picture doesn't show up...

I agree that the legs and neck should be thicker, but I'm not looking to change the concept of the character. When I searched for a concept, there were many body types - ranging from bulls that looked like they were standing upright, to more human type designs. I leaned toward the human designs like shown below:




I took the design of the feet from the first pic as you can probably tell. Thanks again for the comments, I'll be thickening him up in a few places to make him more "hulking".


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Alright I uploaded thr picture for you.


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Ah, I see what you're saying. Yes I like the way the neck and head are joined in that pic. I think I'll widen the base to join the neck more at the shoulders and make more of a taper. That's a cool pic, I almost wish I would have used that as a concept, love the chest plate.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 18:04 Edited at: 19th Feb 2007 18:05
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wow, was just popping into the 3D board and looked through all the models you made in this thread, really good stuff man!

my only critique is that they are a little high poly (4k ish might be a little too much for average NPCs, though it'd be great for a main character)

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but then again thats just a toy

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Bond, why does he have a set of bull horns, then a set of giraffe-like horns? It looks kind of strange with the giraffe horns there.

Besides from that, it looks great, but maybe the legs could be more bull-ish, than just having the feet resemble hooves?
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I like using actual models as concepts, as opposed to pics..
thats how Im making my car collection using a bunch of scale-model cars i made back when...

there should be a picture here...
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Quote: "Bond, why does he have a set of bull horns, then a set of giraffe-like horns?"


Hehe, no reason at all other than I thought it looked cool at the time. I'll either remove them or make them really short and nubby, I just like them for some reason.

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Ok almighty bond1, i have one suggestion that would make him look tougher. Break off one of his horns so one is full and one looks like it was broken off. Just a suggestion.

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absolutly beautiful. the detail is so percice with the veins and everything.


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Amazing work so far from both of you! Can't wait 'till your next update!

You HAVE to make a town drunk if your making a medival fantasy pack!

Here's some suggestions as far as weapons go (Organized by country):

Japanese Weaponry:

Katana - Ceremonial long sword
Shirasaya Katana - Quick cane sword
Tachi - Great Sword
Wakasashi - Short sword
Tanto - Dagger
Reverse blade Katana - A Katana but the blade is on the opposite side.
Bokken - Wooden training sword
Naginata - Spear sword
Wushu Maul - Giant mace (2 handed)
Shurikan - A throwing star
Ninja Blowgun - Duh!!!
Throwing spikes - Ninja darts
Caltraps - poisened shards of iron
Samurai longbow - HUGE long bow
Nekode claws - Claws attached to a ninja's wrist, used for both a weapon and to help them climb (The more you know!)
Manrikigusari throwing chains - Chains attached to the middle of belt used for immobilizing enemies.
Yari spear - Samurai spear
Kmas - Used by Ninjas, for more info look for this in chinese weaponry


Chinese weaponry

Tai Chi Sword - Straight, light blade
Chinese Broad sword - Heavy, curved blade (like what Kung lao uses from the MK series)
Jo staff - Short staff
Bo staff - Long staff
Sais - Duel, short stabbing blades (Like what Melina uses from the MK series)
Tonfa - Duel batons
Wushu Iron staff - Incredibly heavy blunt staff
Kunlun Bamboo spear - Long, Wobbly spear
Kunlin hook swords - Duel hook swords (like what Kabal uses from the MK series)
Kwandao - Chinese hacking spear
Monk spade - Shovel shaped hacking weapon
Wushu double axes - Duel battle axes
3 sectional staff - A staff divided into 3 sections, can revert between 1 whole staff and 3 small rods connected
Nunchaku - DUH!
Kmas - Though used by Ninjas, was first used by Chinese fighters, it is basically 2 short scythes connected by a long chain so it may be used up close or from a distance
Butterfly Knives - Short, Heavy, straight, duel knives (like what Kano uses in the MK series)
3 sectioned iron whip - Name explains...
Dear horned knives - Small, quadbladed knife. Usually dueled
Tiger fork - Shaolin trident
Emei Piercers - Double-sided stabbing blades
Meteor hammer - Double-sided robe maul
Rope dart - Lightning fast whip spear
Melon hammers - Rounded duel maces
Twin Ring daggers - Leaf bladed dagger
Wind and fire wheels - Duel Bladed rings
Yuen Yang razors - Bladed tonfas
Double head spear - Duel bladed spear
Fighting fans - Fan shaped, decoy weapons, some bladed, some blunt.

Eurapean Weaponry: Descriptions ---Coming soon!---

Longsword (English) -
Hand & a half broad sword -
Two handed sword -
Great sword
Rapier
Cutlass
Short sword

Scottish Weaponry: Descriptions ---Coming soon!---

Claymore -
Basket-hilt Rapier -
Basket-hilt Broadsword -
Cut and thrust sword -
Lowlander Claymore "Slaughter Sword" -
Sgian dubh - Chink dagger

Irish weaponry: Descriptions ---Coming soon!---

Leaf bladed combat Sword -
Celtic flame sword -
Long sword -
Battle sword - Two-Handed power house

Middle eastern & Egyptian Weaponry: Descriptions ---Coming soon!---

Scimitar
Shamshir

Greek & Roman Weaponry: Descriptions ---Coming Soon!---

Gladius
Falcata
Javelins
Greek sword

German Swords: Descriptions ---Coming Soon!---

Wald sword -
Grosse Messer
Lardsknetch
Greatsword
Flamberge

Might be more... MAYBE...

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a random question, but what ambient and specular settings do you have in max?

some places look pitch black but the overall model is lit up pretty well, is there one or more lights?

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@ Burianu



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I'm into that sorta thing

Though some of what I said (and am still saying) is not possible to make, due to the limitations of FPSC!

But as I said above, you GOTTA have a town drunk!

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Quote: "a random question, but what ambient and specular settings do you have in max?"


I'm just using a standard 3-point light setup, a nice way to show off a model's form and silohette. A key, fill, and kicker light. Key light shining top down at an angle, fill light from the opposite side shining upward at the model. And the kicker from the back to define the silouhette.

I don't have a specular map yet, so I'm just using a material with the specular set at 10 for a little sheen.

I'm pretty sure Lee told me his new character shader will use 3 lights, one of them being a bounce light from the ground, so this setup might be pretty close to how X10 lights the models.

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ah, ok, i was wondering how to set up a good scene, and whether or not they'll be too dark etc.

judging by the demo video shown with the instancing of characters, ive given mine some 'gloss' and a little more specularity than default, which im hoping will come out right.

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Awww, I go through all that to type out those weapons and descriptions and you don't even say thank you?!?... That hurt's my feelings

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Your models look awesome. 4k tris is a bit much though, I typically draw the line at 2.5k tris.


Come see the WIP!
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Quote: "Awww, I go through all that to type out those weapons and descriptions and you don't even say thank you?!?... That hurt's my feelings "


Sorry about that, I meant to reply but was heading out the door to got to work. Very good suggestions, in fact I'm using a few of them, so I should have something to show in the next week or so.

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Sweet, can't wait!

Just out of curiosity, what weapon/s are you making?

Also, while looking at the first post I noticed that you said that it is "aimed to take advantage of x10's features". Does this mean that I/we HAVE to have x10 version?

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Wow, Your modeling looks AMAZING!!!!!
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Whens the release date? These models are amazing and I cant wait.

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I hope all is going well?
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Yeah things are going great, working on the weapons now. I've got a thread going about them in the FPSC Media forum in case you haven't seen it: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=101100&b=24

I'm hoping to have this done around the time X10 is released, which would be the end of April. There are a few things I'm holding off on until I can test them in X10, to save myself potential extra work.

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Bond, all this is amazing modelling and texturing, but i was thinking you could made different variations of each person.

I'm just think that having 1 type of human, elf, dwarf, wizard, troll, knight, barbarian, satyr, minotaur and all future character models would be kind of lame to the person playing. mabye just slightly change the muscular build and hair colour/style of each model and i think it would make the pack so much better(despite the modified filesize).

I love your models and the fantasy genre and i'd just like to see 2-3 variations of each model, possibly different gender if it isnt too much work.

thanks

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Quote: "Bond, all this is amazing modelling and texturing, but i was thinking you could made different variations of each person."


I agree, I'm only showing one version of each model. But I plan on having AT LEAST 2 texture variations for each model just to break up the sameness a bit. Nothing too drastic though, just enough to give some variation so you're not looking at the same character over and over.

I think if you look at how this pack is going to shape up, this will be one holy heck of a deal. 20+ characters, probably about 5-7 weapons or so, and a ton of segments and entities. If you look at the rest of the FPSC model packs, this one is going to be a must-have for the price if I say so myself, even if you're not into the fantasy genre.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Are you planning on doing Male Elves if you haven't already, and If you have texture variations could you have one of the elves variations to be a human skin sort of thing the orangy pinkish or whatever it is. Because the elves in my game that I'm planning (It hinges entirely on this pack) need non-purplish skin.

Anyways, great work.
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UR THE BEST bond1 LOVE UR MODELS THERE HEAPS GOOD maybe u should make some segments

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Hey Mark, how's it coming along,
This is the first time I seen this thread make it to the second page so I just had to post.
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Hey Chupa Capra, thanks for the bump.

I've been given the opportunity to do a special little "project" for X10's release later in April, so my Fantasy pack will go on hold for just a little while. That's fine with me, I was getting a little burnt out anyway, plus it's hard to go much further with things until I have the final build of X10 anyway.


But for X9 users, I think I've stumbled on a pretty significant speed increase for characters. Check out my Minotaur in the current FPSC, there are twelve in the room and I'm still maintaining 31fps even on my laptop, and the minotaur has 5000 polys! When I try it with the stock characters, using the same AI scripts, my frame rate is about 21fps, even though they have less polys.




Anyway, probably no updates for a few weeks...

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Quote: "I think I've stumbled on a pretty significant speed increase for characters"

O.k.,I'm impressed,so now are you going to let us in on this discovery of yours or are ya gonna hold out.

I reckon I will buy your pack Bond,need those lovely weapons more than anything,same for Jon's pack.
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Well, not that I want to purposely keep something secret, it's just that the process doesn't seem totally perfect and 100% reproducible yet. Since all .x exporters are so finicky, there are a few vairiables. Plus the models seem to crash in Vista at the moment too for whatever reason, hopefully it can be nailed down. But it's encouraging!

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The models look great! I think fpsc is long overdue for some monsters. Anyone know if the developers have some planned?
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Quote: "The models look great! I think fpsc is long overdue for some monsters. Anyone know if the developers have some planned? "

I'd like to know that myself.

btw: Awesome work bond.

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Thanks man.

BTW: Those first few characters (peasants and troll) at the beginning of this thread will be updated, if not totally redone. They were made long before I even knew about X10, and plus I've learned A LOT since then. Everything from the dwarf onward will be kept.

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Quote: "Well, not that I want to purposely keep something secret, it's just that the process doesn't seem totally perfect and 100% reproducible yet. Since all .x exporters are so finicky, there are a few vairiables. Plus the models seem to crash in Vista at the moment too for whatever reason, hopefully it can be nailed down. But it's encouraging!
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maybe you should talk to lee about it that kind of speed increase is really needed. on the Minotaur its all good until the hands either make them beastier or humaner because right now they are like big human hands.
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Hey bond, am i missing a link to a new thread or has there been no progress for a while?

(sorry if i bumped a redundant thread)

Also, today (jun 24) i just purchased model pack 4, so i went to download the MA rated textures , but it says cannot to connect to server when i try to get onto your website? Is the host down or something?

The sad fact is that i can read script, but i just cant write it.
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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 17:28 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 17:31
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Hi DieRider,

No there hasn't been any progress for a while, my wife and I just moved into our new house, I've started a new job, and I'm still trying to work on some X10 stuff. Just been really hectic for a while.

Quote: "Also, today (jun 24) i just purchased model pack 4, so i went to download the MA rated textures , but it says cannot to connect to server when i try to get onto your website? Is the host down or something?"


Sorry about that. Yes, I just dropped my previous hosting as the performance has become unacceptable in the last month or so. I've just purchased new hosting with a semi-dedicated server, and I hope to have everything up and running sometime today (hopefully). If you don't want to wait, drop me an email and I'll send them to you as an attachment.

As far as the fantasy pack, when I get back into it I'll start a new thread, some of the early work will be totally scrapped and redone.

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congratulations on the new house and job mark.

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