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FPSC Classic Product Chat / The new FPSCreator graphics?

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Jordan Siddall
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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 14:33
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In the new news letter, it said the new nVIDIA G8800 will be needed to run FPSCreator X10. How much will this card cost? Is it even hardware?

At the moment I have the: nVIDIA EN7900GT TOP, SLI ready, 256MB DDR3.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 14:39
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You won't need the 8800 specifically - what you WILL need is a DirectX 10 compatible graphics card, and at this moment in time that is the only one available. But you can bet that by the time FPSC X10 is actually released there will be many others on the market, all at varying price points.

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Jordan Siddall
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I just really, really hope they make this water realistic this time round in FPSC X10. Real physics, floating objects, splashes, player swimming.

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Watch the video.You can find it in the newsletter.
That's some nice looking water.

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Yeah the Gfx do look alot improved. Im sure alot of the original FPSC mis-givings will be fixed up.

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 7th Dec 2006 17:46
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Does any one know how much vista will cost, so that we can move onto the new fpsc?

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Posted: 8th Dec 2006 03:16 Edited at: 8th Dec 2006 03:20
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Video Card:
the 8800 is currently around $600.

Vista: hold on while i dig out my cpu magazine.

edit: ok, the prices are as follows.

Vista Starter: $99 ($50 upgrade price*)
Vista Home Basic: $199 ($99 upgrade price*)
Vista Home Premium: $279 ($179 upgrade price*)
Vista Ultimate: $329 ($229 upgrade price*)

*upgrade price - upgrade from XP to Vista.

NOTE: I left out Vista's business editions.

Hope this helps, Higgins.


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what is so good about.....VISTA??
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Ill phone bill gates and ask for a free copy or force him to charge less for the OS.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2006 05:49 Edited at: 9th Dec 2006 05:49
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Quote: "what is so good about.....VISTA?? "

lots of things:

aero graphics (transparancy and all of those other bells and whistles)

dx10 support

it is a 64bit os (unless you get vista starter)

build for dual core processors, and the new quad core.

faster, if your computer has the hardware.

etc.etc. i could go on for a bit.


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Any users with a AMD 64 (even those with a single core) are expected to get around a 33% boost when they upgrade to vista, because it will be using the full potential instead of a little over half. Can't wait!

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Ok, I'm not being funny here, but are we saying that I'm going to need a new graphics card to use FPS Creator DX10? Or will I be able to update my current graphics card (128MB ATI Radeon X300)to handle DX10? Also, will I need to buy a new version of FPSC or can current users download it for free with their serial number?
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I have no idea how the ATI cards are marked, so I don't know how old the X300 is, but it doesn't sound recent, as more modern ATI cards are in the 1500 range, I'm only familiar with Nvidia.

I would hope that they make an update (as my video card cost $500), but I think that the issue now isn't software, but hardware.


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Quote: ", I'm not being funny here, but are we saying that I'm going to need a new graphics card to use FPS Creator DX10"


Yes you will need a new graphics card. As Richard Davey said in the first post there is one and only one available right now, and that is the Geforce 8800.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2006 13:59
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Mines an: nVIDIA EN7900GT TOP, SLI ready, 256MB DDR3. Will I need a new one?

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yep thats a dx 9 card theres the only one dx10 card at the mo as they have already said

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Quote: "aero graphics (transparancy and all of those other bells and whistles)"

Why? because it looks better? Lets use an old argument against you...

FireFox looks like crap. Internet Explorer is very sleek and good looking. Which is "better".

Quote: "dx10 support"

DX9.0L (Besides the fact that DX 10 isn't backwards compatable)

Quote: "it is a 64bit os (unless you get vista starter)"

Windows XP64... ohh... ahhh... yep, not much to brag about (execpt for nerdism)

Quote: "build for dual core processors, and the new quad core."

How? As I see it, a dual core processor automatically sections the instructions off into two streams and reconstitutes them after it is finished. Software only communicates with hardware... but in the end run, it is the hardware that preforms the task.

P.S. It would be better to get a dual processor mother board than waste money on a quad-core processor... not enough speed boost effect.

Quote: "faster, if your computer has the hardware."

lol... okay. lets see. If I run HL1 on my computer, will it run faster or slower than HL2? My computer has the HARDWARE to RUN HL2... I personally can't care WHAT jeku says on this matter, but if all things were fair, the system that uses the least resouces would run faster. But since XP and Vista are very close in release dates, I would expect any speed increases to come from the hardware, not the software.

Quote: "etc.etc. i could go on for a bit."

Please DO.

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http://windows.about.com/od/updatingupgrading/p/windows_vista.htm

.......sry, just offering reasons why windows is comming out with vista......


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We still havn't answered the question about the further purchase of FPSC. Will it be a free upgrade, or an entirely new program? And if its an upgrade or whatnot, will it be able to create .exe's to run in dx9 without all the DX10 junk for the few years before any stock computers come equipped with DX10 cards at a reasonable price?

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TGC will answer those questions when they are ready.

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Quote: "We still havn't answered the question about the further purchase of FPSC. Will it be a free upgrade, or an entirely new program? And if its an upgrade or whatnot"


It's an entirely new product, and it is way way too early to give out any specifics on pricing or upgrade options, should they exist. Until we announce otherwise there's no need to keep asking about this one.

Quote: "will it be able to create .exe's to run in dx9 without all the DX10 junk for the few years before any stock computers come equipped with DX10 cards at a reasonable price?"


No, of course not. The X10 in the title is there for a reason. It's a DX10 only product. It's a Vista only product, and it'll require DX10 hardware as well. Nothing less. DX10 cards will be standard PC spec fodder in WELL less than a year, let alone 'a few years'. Technology moves on much much faster than that.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2006 07:23 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2006 07:25
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Quote: "It's an entirely new product, and it is way way too early to give out any specifics on pricing or upgrade options, should they exist. Until we announce otherwise there's no need to keep asking about this one."


I expected to pay around $200 (us) for software like FPS Creator.
The low market price of about 1/4th that was a thrill.

I think $200 for FPSC-X10 version would be generous, especially if it has the same great license, which is superb.

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Quote: "I think $200 for FPSC-X10 version would be fair, especially if it has the same great license, which is awesome."


I hope it is less than that...I think a $200 price tag would be too expensive for the target market.
Could you see a 12 or 13 year old kid going to their mom and dad and asking them for their credit card so they can pay $200 for FPSC...and actually getting it.
Even adults might have some difficulty coming up with that kind of change.
While I don't expect it to be the same price as FPSC is now (although that would be nice and you wouldn't hear me complain) and I don't expect them to give it to current FPSC customers for free (again...nice...but not realistic) I think FPSC X10 will be reasonably priced.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,though.
What is reasonably priced for one may not be so for another.
At any rate it is something we don't have to worry our pretty little heads about yet.
I am sure when they get ready that TGC is going to release all of the necessary information.
I just wonder if they are going to have a demo version for x10.

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Quote: "Could you see a 12 or 13 year old kid going to their mom and dad and asking them for their credit card so they can pay $200 for FPSC...and actually getting it.
Even adults might have some difficulty coming up with that kind of change."


The 12 or 13 year olds can get the $50 regular (non-X10) version.

The adults can afford $200 if they shelled out for Vista and a dual core to run it.

It's all a matter of whether you are playing around or getting serious about game making.

Either way, TGC has us covered.

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That is a good point but FPSC is marketed toward the teenage crowd.
That's why we have so many young forum members here.
Unless TGC wants to change the target market they will have to make a reasonable price point to purchase FPSC X10.
Not that I disagree with you.
Maybe we can call the original FPSC Classic and the x10 version FPSC Pro.

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Quote: "Maybe we can call the original FPSC Classic and the x10 version FPSC Pro."

Right on man, I think you're on to something there Fred.
Even if others don't follow, that definition/classification is good with me.

I just think that the classic was/is under-priced, and all of the hard work on the pro should be rewarded.

I think the 'market' is broad and can easily be divided into two groups. (beginners/pros)

Then people can grow with the products and end up buying both in the long run.
Modular design works for me, because if they don't get the classic then they don't have to shell out for the pro.
On the other hand, those that do get it with the classic can then move on to pro later.
Just like DB, the classic and pro versions fulfill the needs of all and I agree with that model.

Again, we're talking about people who have shelled out for the high cost of Vista and the hardware to support it.
Affordability shouldn't be an issue for these folks.

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Don't worry, there's no way it'll cost $200! The pricing isn't decided yet, but it won't be anything wildly different to what it is now.

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Quote: "but it won't be anything wildly different to what it is now."


This is great news wonderful infact!! Thank you TGC!

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Well, i've been itching for an excuse to buy a new flat screen plasma monitor and the 8800, so looks like I now have one. off I go.

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Quote: "FireFox looks like crap. Internet Explorer is very sleek and good looking. Which is "better"."

Hey I think firefox looks totally awesomer than IExplorer.

If FPSC X10 did somehow come out to be $200, original FPSC owners should get a discount, like $50 of because that's the price of the original. I don't think it'll be that expensive though, maybe just like 10% off. At least some kind of discount should take place. I probably will never get X10 (not never but in a long time) I'm just speaking in general. For all the hard work some people put into FPSC, seems like there shoudl be some discount taking place. just an opinion.

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Rich already said the price point won't change too much in his post above.
It's one of those things that we don't need to worry about yet.
Whether TGC gives current FPSC users a discount or not remains to be seen.
Probably RickV would be the best one to answer that question...
And he might not be ready and/or able to answer it yet.
One way or the other I am sure that TGC will release the information when they feel it is the right time to do so.

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