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dark donkey
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Posted: 15th Dec 2006 20:03 Edited at: 15th Dec 2006 20:05
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hi, me and a few friends are planing on makeing a game, but we have come to a down side i am the only one who can 3d model but i cant animate plus i dont no how to uv in wongs3d, i whant to no what program you think i should use to animate, i am not asking what is the best software to use i am asking what is the best software to use from a wings3d enviroment that is free/cheep. I have tryed gamespace light and it was going really well but when i tryed to make a skelington but the jionts whent all funny.

THANkS!
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Posted: 16th Dec 2006 02:09
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Quote: "i am not asking what is the best software to use"
Quote: " i am asking what is the best software to use "

im confused

anyway you could try anim8tor(i think thats how its spelled) fot animating and lithunwrap for uv mapping. both are free. i have never used animator because i bought milkshape but it seems to make sence and it says thats what its for on the website there is a link to it on the free media thread of the dbpro board. you have to click on the old stickies link to get to it. lithunwrap is a fairly good uv mapping tool. there are a few bugs but there isnt really any better for free. you can find a link to it if you search the 3d chat board and there are some good tutorials on google for it.
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Posted: 16th Dec 2006 04:08
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Quote: "could try anim8tor"


um... no

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dark donkey
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an8ator dosent export the animation, i am willing to pay but not too much

Quote: "Quote: "i am not asking what is the best software to use"
Quote: " i am asking what is the best software to use "
im confused
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i said what would be the best from a wings3d sort of enviroment

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dark donkey
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Posted: 16th Dec 2006 12:33 Edited at: 16th Dec 2006 12:33
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what about milkshape, lots of people agree that it is good, beacouse its neer christmas i am willing to pay more than normal lets say aroung kr550 wich i think is £57 i think.

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i am willing to go alot higher uf thesoftware is good

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Posted: 16th Dec 2006 21:04 Edited at: 16th Dec 2006 21:08
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Quote: "i said what would be the best from a wings3d sort of enviroment"


i knew that

i would definatly reccomend milkshape. it takes a little getting used too and some people don't like it because it only uses tris but i have used both blender and maya ple and i actually prefer modeling in milkshape over both of those. i have had no problems with animation in milkshape though mayas animation is a little easier i still think milkshape is the better choice since it is only $30 american over a couple thousand american for the full version of maya

edit: sorry i dont remember the conversion to euros but i know that its no more then 60 euros
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dark donkey
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Posted: 16th Dec 2006 22:37
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ok im sure i can whip up about 160 kroner, all i really need it for is textureing and animateing

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Posted: 17th Dec 2006 03:12 Edited at: 17th Dec 2006 03:13
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just so you know milkshape does not uv map i'd use lithunwrap for that id also download the 30 day trial before buying to see if its a good product for you
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why can no one spell anim8or ATE=8

and it doesn't export animations in anything except AVI or something.

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dark donkey
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Quote: "just so you know milkshape does not uv map i'd use lithunwrap for that id also download the 30 day trial before buying to see if its a good product for you"


lol, i was hoping i could just apply textures to a face, is this possible, also i have the trail just got it.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2006 18:39
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Quote: "why can no one spell anim8or ATE=8"


sorry i thought it was how the company spelled it

Quote: "lol, i was hoping i could just apply textures to a face, is this possible, also i have the trail just got it."


im not sure what you mean exactly. you can use vertex coloring to make basic textures but for more advanced textures you will still need to uv map your models
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indi
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Milkshape has a very simple uv editor.

The best by far is Unwrap3d for $50US, lithium unwrapper is the predecessor and is free but not as good.

Unwrap 3d can do primitive shape uv mapping, pelt mapping, stack uvs etc.etc.etc.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2006 16:03
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Quote: "Milkshape has a very simple uv editor."


Really? I've heard this before but I've never found it.
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yeah it involves opening the program and having a good look around.
Milkshapes is like a primitive box mapper

Unwrap3d is the best UV mapper i have used and well worth the $50 US.
Pelting a skin, akin to stretching out an animal skin on a wooden hoop with strings is a godsend
to the uv mapper.

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Ok, i git the trail of milkshape and really really like it, but when i whent to animateing it i made a scelington but how do i like glue the scelingotn to the model.

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ahh here comes the tricky bit.
assigning bones to vertices or polys can take some experimenting.
in the joints tab assign some polys to a models bone structure and then try to animate it.
it will answer a myriad of questions.
start with an arm, and play with the elbow joint. it will give you the knee joint as well in one foul swoop, then play with the torso to arm joint, that again will answer the other problems.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2006 13:46 Edited at: 19th Dec 2006 13:56
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How do i select a verice's or how ever you spell it.


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found out how im just animate two cubes now

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evrey time i animate it it stretches some faces that are asighned to it, is ther any way i can stop theas faces streching and move with it

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its a tricky process, once you get the hang of it though, you will discover a new world of fun in animation.

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dark donkey
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in lithunwrap when i inport a model from wings3d it says it has no uv co ordinats what does thus mean.

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is ther any video tuts on animateing in milkshape.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2006 18:28
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create a simple uv in wings then import. it can be anything as long as it has a uv texture to start with.

it means you have the lithium prior to the next one prior to the full version.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2006 04:35 Edited at: 20th Dec 2006 04:52
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ok, just my 2 cents. its more expensive than milkshape and unwrap 3d, but it kicks ass for what it does, and I don't see many people mention it: Cinema 4d and Body Paint 3D. Cinema 4D is a rockin modeling program, that can make kickass high quality - commercial quality - models or low poly gaming type models. Costs around $250. US, and they sell a full student version. Body Paint is really the best unwrapping I have come across. You can unwrap your models in flat, sphere, cylindical, etc. You can break the texture apart by selecting faces. It has a magnet tool so you can move vertex by vertex (or several at a time) and lay out your unwrapped map as needed. If you adjust your model after unwrapping the texture map will update. And... you can paint directly onto the model or texture - I do this to add highlights then use photoshop with overlay mode layers... I have only been using it a little while, and its an awesome program!!! But you need C4D to use Bodypaint, since it only opens C4D, but then you can export to Direct X! Perfect for DBP!!

Here's a screenie of the axe I made yesterday. Needs better texture, but I only spent a few min in photoshop with it...


Happy game making!!!

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can body paint do pelting and stacking of uv's?

pelting is like taking a wooden hoop and stringing out a skin of an animal, this way you get the uvs laid out very well for painting.
stacking trys to squish them all together in a neat blob.

sounds a lot like Unwrap3D in its feature set.

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dark donkey
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I feel nilke a noob asking this but, in milkshape i have my bones set out and ready to animate, but how do i go to the next frame, i tryed evreything but when i press play it dosent work.

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use google first before asking us, there's tonnes of great material already planned in verbose formats.

http://www.josh.ch/joshch/tutorials/milkshape,modelling-animation-basics.html

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Indi: Bodypaint does allow skinning so you can stretch out a texture. This is done with either resizing or moving vertexs. you can highlight and separate any piece of the texture wether or not it is part of a group. It also allows squishing, if I understand you correctly. It also allows you to place similar or geometrically identical pieces on top of eachother so you only have to paint one piece and all pieces will have the same texture. Saves room on you map space too, allowing for more detail. In the example above, I didn't do much other than flat and cylinder map with some UV overlapping. Its a simple model so didn't need too much else. I think Maxon gives out free trials. Worth checking out. It only takes me about 10 min to unwrap and I've only done 3 since learning with some tutorials.

Darkdonkey: Milkshape animates pretty easily. Google "Milkshape animation tutorial" and you will get many. There is a good walk cycle out there that I used in the past. Also, Psionic is a good site with a zombie modeling and animating tutorial.

Good luck!!!
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Drac, thats cool, doesnt sound like it has the pelt option, perhaps its tucked away somewhere.

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btw the link to that website i provided has a milkshape walk cycle tute as well.

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do you no any programs i can select a face and apply a texture to it, just for my buildings im gonna try learn to uv map for my chrecters.

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Quote: "Quote: "could try anim8tor"

um... no "


Why not... I use it thats what i used for the shotgun

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can i select a face and texture it in anim8or, and will it export the texture.

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yes you can

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dark donkey
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cool ill download it now aand try figure it out, now my models will go wings>anim8or>milkshape.

thanks for the info

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ok i found out how to select a face now how do i texture it.

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in the materials thing/ press enter for it to come up

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ok thanks

edit: i dont seem to see any texture option only materials.

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theres a tutorial on the site.

i cant get my head around it but you might be able to

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Sorry but i still need help, i can uv map in wings3d but none of my uvs show up in milkshape, i think this is beacouse i dident put my uv image in the right location, but is there any modeler i can just aply a texture to a face like for my buildings.

thanks!
darkdonkey

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anim8or will only do materials

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