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David T
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Quote: "...and if you American people haven't heard enough about the wonders
of English money from Raven, here is a picture of the coins, photographed with my own two hands (my wallet doesn't streach as far
as having one of each of the notes )..."


I had one of those real tear-jerking patriotic moments there...

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ps When I did an online test I scored 168, pretty good since I didn't know how many nickels go into a dime or how many ounces in a pound (it's ~14 isn't it?)!

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yup 14oz = 1lb, 12lb = 1stone, 60stone = 1ton

wonder who knows thier imperial for distance though... anyone tell me how many yards are in a ferlong? (should be easy for footy fans as 3 ferlongs = a football pitch) hehee

as for anyone who gets under 100 shouldn't be programming,
i got 86 & TAToad got 85 ... so cause we didn't get over 80% does that mean that we shouldn't be programming?

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Quote: "3 ferlongs = a football pitch"

Last time I checked the rules of football merely state a football pitch must be a rectangle of any size (as long as it's big enough for two penalty areas and a centre circle. I didn't say you shouldn't be programming, I just said I was amazed that if you can program you don't have a good enough mathematical and logical ability to get at least an average score in an IQ test.

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nope the rules of football dictate that the pitch must be 3 ferlongs in length for a FA game. So when someone says somthing is the size of Nth football pitchs thats what they mean.

but witchbomber are you aware of what the IQ test is actually testing? because it isn't knowlage ... its the reaction time to knowlage which everyone should have.
I can tell you that there wasn't a single question i didn't know the answer for - it was simply a case of trying to remember it, or figure it out before the time for the question ran out.
It isn't a case in std exam where you can skip a question and come back to it later to figure out, you have to answer something for each question to be able to move on and you had limited time on each to do so.

if you're to believe my score then i'm an idiot, and technically Toad would be too as we can't even get "adverage" scores - but i think the proof is in the pudding with what we both do around here daily that, that just isn't the case it is.
These tests are just a bit of fun and should really be taken as such without making comments like "well if you don't do well on something this simple then you shouldn't be here."

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Fair enough, if I'd had a minute for each question I would possibly have known the answer to all of them, but then it wouldn't be a discriminative test, would it? The point is, if you can answer these questions quickly, you have a logical approach to problem solving, which is exactly what writing a computer program is all about: Telling a computer how to solve a problem in the most logical manner. The better your score at these questions, the more likely you are to be able to write a good and efficient computer program. And last time I checked it was possible for an idiot to get involved in flame wars and talk a lot of crap. I don't know about the FA rules but certainly in the Scottish game (and we invented the sport) the pitches are all different sizes. Possibly it means the pitch must be at least 3 furlongs in length.

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146 Mensa accreditated

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IQ 146. Mensa


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Quote: "Scottish game (and we invented the sport)"

HAHAAA... hehee... :: wipes a tear from his eye ::
god you jocks crack me up

bomber it isn't about knowlage or application of knowlage but really the speed of your memory and mental abilities.
just because i can't sit there and work out the fragment belzier calculation for creating LOD terrain within 20seconds doesn't mean that i can't figure it out.

i don't mind spending some time over my games, and apart from anything else when i make things i generally work towards making them airtight and free of any possible bugs than wondering if i can get done before teatime.

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That's not what I meant. If you can't do a question in the allotted time then you don't know how to work it out in the most efficient way. If you don't know the best way to work it out then your algorithms probably won't be as efficient and well organised as they could be.

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I am thirteen years old and got:

IQ score = 101

Language 10/12
Memory 11/12
Logic 13/22
Numbers 6/12
Perception 8/12

dunno if this is good or bad.

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thats bull witchbomber and you know it

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Quote: "I can tell you that there wasn't a single question i didn't know the answer for - it was simply a case of trying to remember it, or figure it out before the time for the question ran out."

Is Raven on the defensive? . . . Didn't know he had the ability to fight on his heels.
One of the best computer people (programming, hardware, netowrking, everything) I know is perplexing in where and how his intelligence appears. He cannot spell even simple names of people he has known for years. But, give him anything with a circuit board, and see if he does not gobble it up.
The truth is, if anything, being a bit on a delay is a good thing with computing, simply because it is the big rush that is the mark of sloppy coders. If you can slap everything together quickly and have it function, sometimes that undermines the more old-school method of coding.
Back in the day, a lot of companies used to debug their code only a few lines a day.
Today, due to the ease and power of computers, even the most conservative coders are going something to the order of 50 lines a day on major projects.
It may be a seeming disadvantage that plays out better than you would suspect.
Although it offends me to say it, most programs are the last thing that should have an impressionistic quality.

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... but true intelligence doesn't have anything to do with how fast your brain works.
stupid people are oftenly called slow, which i think is wrong because they're not slow they can be as quick as everyone else, they're just stupid because they can't be bothered to learn things, the effort it takes to actually process the data they're given to digest.

my reactions might be slow when it comes to equasions, but you crack a joke that most people will sit there thinking about for a few mins it'll instantly register with me.
its like when i'm doing something, i don't sit there and think hard about doing something ... i can just naturally think about it and poof i can run with it.

Rose found out first hand how quick i can be as she gave me a simple idea and within 20seconds i'd not only taken that idea but developed it fully into a complete working plan right down to the smallest detail.

it might sound defensive and probably is a little to dispute what is being said, but to be fair to really understand how intelligent someone is you need to be around them.

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Ok i dont know if anyone said this as im about to leave work and don't have time to check but the majority of game programmers and other creative hobbyists are ADD, which is they like to think fast and this gets them off track.

Now i believe that the US test that are being used recently are using a hobby scale in which they ask questions to get a better understanding of what disorders you may have so they can compensate for these.

How do i know, i'm ADD, but being treated, and i took 2 IQ tests, 1 unmedicated, 1 medicated, i scored a 95 unmedicated and a 187 medicated.

None of this was meant for an insult to say your all ADD but some of you are, but hell if you are a game programmer and your in school,(not college) and your good mind you, but you fail classes, then your either missing classes cause your making games or your ADD.

Now this is not an accurate test but still a good indicator theyre could be other issues to.

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I am not saying you should go fast on your projects, or that it is a bad thing if you take a long time to develop something, I am saying that if you can work out how to tackle a problem in 5 seconds, you have a very good logical brain and you will be a lot better equipped for writing programs.

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knowledge.. useless thing for the brains.. ah, its just me & the sun..

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witch bomber... depends on the problem doesn't it?

i've designed an entire game from top to bottom within 3hrs before including all sketches which was then taken and a team spent 7months developing it, in aptitude tests i always score great.
however my score was so poor on this because my mental arthimatic is just close to non-existant.

although i can figure out what mathematics i'll need for a problem in a matter of seconds, actually remembernig the exact formulae and then applying with an algorithm which works can take me all day and if i have to do it in my head it would probably take me all week.

creating a logical or any solution to a problem is by no means shown to be a fault unless you go by what my test score say - but there are plenty of people on these forums alone which could tell you that i can sit there and explain to thema rough plan for achieveing something they want to do in second.
and i never simply remember anything because my memory is even worse than my math ... i couldn't tell them exactly howto achieve something and i always push for others to try and figure it out because i know it'll take me hours to figure it out myself.
but the idea behind it always is a sound one which will work if the cores is figured out.

from what you're saying technically i have no stead to be programming because the test ditacts that i don't have a logical mind, and the fact that it is an online one makes it even more so - and what i'm saying is that is total crap. if you fully believe that then quite frankly you might want to actually rethink and look into what your putting forward before making such a bold statment.

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Most standardized testing is crap.

You get alot of them, such as the US College Board, that measure exposure rather than intelligence. So, an SAT score above 1200 does not certify you as smart; it certifies you as someone who was probably railroaded directly to the college track from kindergarten onward.

The IQ test in the US is not quite as bad as the college board. However, it does tend to stick to traditional assumptions about what material an intelligent person should have absorbed. For example, you can damn near bet on see someing Pythagorean geometry/trig on there.

So, again, standardized testing favors exposure to traditional values.

The BBC test, I have to admit, did make a real effort to diverge from that sort of BS. I was surprised that I scored 11/12 on analogies or whatnot, because I take a beating on analogies in US tests.

But, consider the GRE (US test for grad school). There, the concept of analogies goes something like:

BLUE :: CAT

a) DUCK :: THERMOMETER b) COCAINE :: GEODE c) COMMERCIALS :: STONE TOOLS d) ANIMATION :: NEMP

(NEMP is a political short-hand for Net Exportable Mobilized Power, a description of total power, political will, and armed force, derived from the good old days of zero-sum gaming a nuclear holocaust, and therefore is obviously as related to animation as blue is to cat.)

It is this sort of thing that muddles standardized tests.

And, if this were not funny enough, the majority of CEOs were C students in high school. The current US President limped thru college with a tutor, while his Veep failed, and so had his rival for office! Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard.

What does this tell us about the value of standardized testing?

If the only thing you have to cling to in this world is an IQ score, you are utterly screwed! Truly successful people are often total buffoons, because your internal initiative and will matter more than a test result, which is external.

If bombing the SATs, or rating an 87 IQ, or never bringing home As, convinces you to give up, then "passing" probably wasn't going to help you, either.

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Raven,
What are you mangling on about now, there is no real standard pitch size, although it's usually about 110 yards long by about 70 yards wide.

I'm a little puzzled as to why us scots crack you up, Football is a Scottish game, don't get me started on Scottish inventions matey .

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Raven, finally you noticed the weakness in my argument. It only took you a couple of days or so. You finally decided to say you got a low score because you got a crap mental arithmatic score. If you are as good as you say you are in logical areas then to get a score of 86 you must have got, say, about -10 for numbers. Why didn't I notice that point before? It was so obvious.

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not really Witch, everything i've said has had the same theme ... its only you who just got it for what it is.
which kinda exemplifies the point...

i really don't feel like getting into the history of football, but the FA states that a Football pitch must be 3 ferlongs in length, with is 120yards (anyone tell me how long a ferlong is yet?) - and it was to make sure that one team didn't have an advantage over any other team. maybe it is just an english game thing but thats what the rules state and most footy pitchs i've been to are essentially the same length & width.
i mean sure you're not telling me you didn'y know there was an actual rule made up about it?

there are alot of given rules that have actually been set in stone in the FA, simply because if they weren't there people would play how they wanted so they could win using the excuse "well there' no rule against it"

as for the inventors of football, i was pretty sure that it was a Roman - either created in england or france to pass the time as there were no collesiums, so they'd gut a pig, inflate its stomach and have a kick about. two holds bug at either end of the pitch stood for the goals.
that was around 1,900-2,000years back ... and it was documented history...

not that i particularly care who invented it, just as long as it ain't called soccer i'm happy

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1 furlong is 220 yards (1 Irish furlong is 280 yards).

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By the way: The FIFA rules say that the pitch must have the following size:
Length: minimum 90 m (100 yds), maximum 120 m (130 yds)
Width: minimum 45 m (50 yds), maximum 90 m (100 yds)

for international matches:
Length: minimum 100 m (110 yds), maximum 110 m (120 yds)
Width: minimum 64 m (70 yds), maximum 75 m (80 yds)


And yes, I played football when I was young(er).

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I got 142 certifide by Mensa....I wouldnt trust the TV tests much, some of those questions were EQ (Education quotation).

A good Iq question should require no knowledge at all, even a langerage can give you a bias, so the best are abstract symbols.
(odd one out, complete the sequence)

Problem is, when you find a different answere that still works....

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Either empty is talking crap or Raven is talking crap. Personally I don't have a clue. I'll trust empty.

And Raven, the FA does not govern all football. FIFA governs all football. England is only a tiny portion (and certainly not the best portion) of the footballing world.

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I expected at least 100
Only got 94:

Language 9/12
Memory 7/12
Logic 16/22
Numbers 5/12 (and I want to do A Level maths, Americans please don't ask for an explanation on irony)
Perception 7/12

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Now my post seems out of place lol, please, Americans see the irony!!

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We Americans will invade everywhere eventually. Posts included. Just don't let us find oil, or you will never regain control of this post again.

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Now that I come to think about it, Raven must be talking crap. There are 8 furlongs in a mile, and over a thousand yards in a mile, so there is no way a furlong can be 40 yards. 220 yards sounds much more likely. Raven really is thick isn't he. One day he might say something that makes sense and is true and no-one will believe him.

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