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denki
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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:00
No way ... I reckon I can do better than those pics.

And no ... I want to learn to though, I'm crap ATM.

If I designed a horror game, would anyone ever look into making it?

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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:01 Edited at: 18th May 2003 23:03
hay goto

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~thesorus/newworldmap.htm

okay and that what i've got so far the bottem picture shows you what i mean about the character

for the horror game i could try and programme it coz i can't go any where with the sorus until a modeler helps me

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denki
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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:02 Edited at: 18th May 2003 23:03
EDIT - the below post was meant as a reply to your last post and not the one above.

BTW - With decent textures, that world map could be awesome Crystal

and if you send me some deesign notes, I can do your characters. Just add me to MSN.

iamsporadicmovement@hotmail.com

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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:04
which texture don't you like. this has been a heated topic since the game started

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denki
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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:04
Oh wow! Thats Awesome! The new textures are great!!!

Dude, I'd be happy to help however I can. Looks really cool.

Have you got a story yet?

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denki
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Posted: 18th May 2003 23:05
At the moment, it's the wall texture on "The north side of the mainland"

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 19th May 2003 01:15
you want to host my forum denki?
i'm not sure why they're slow for you, it loads just as fast as this one - only problem is the php scripting i think ... sometimes it doesn't register what is being used properly (dunno why) so takes ages then fails. Had alot of bugs cause of it.

one major bug is that for some reason it won't upload more then 200kb even though the limit is 1.5mb (its weird)
if you wanna host it for them then i'd be greatful, but i'm not sure how to move it all so you may wanna talk more to Martyn about it (he'll know more than me)

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denki
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Posted: 19th May 2003 01:32
There should be a way to download the database, go into the admin and see if it's possible.

I don't mind, I have spare space, databases and bandwidth, so I'll help out if you like.
Yeah, it seemed like pages didnt load more than took ages, I'm not sure why that is ...

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Posted: 19th May 2003 01:45
thats lycos for ya... goes down every so often for "maintianance", if only it actully was more stable when it came back online

its up again now though ... i'll see about getting martyn to backup the database - last time i did it wiped 10people from the list :")

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Posted: 19th May 2003 23:11
I would just like to see a new detailed plan of the box is that possible please

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denki
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Posted: 19th May 2003 23:32
Ok Raven ... just email me whenever you want
webmaster@dblow.co.uk
Laters!

And yeah, a plan of the box would be cool.

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Posted: 20th May 2003 00:03
I won't be posting any more plans until my prototype is complete as the ones I've posted sofar only led to confusion (understandably as they were scrawled in under 5 mins) but rest assured once I have a working version I'll post the plans - Sometime next week probably

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Posted: 20th May 2003 06:50
lol... well while Dan's prototype is being put together, i can't really reveal much of a detailed plan as far as nVidia are conserned. Point being is that although i can show you roughly what design is being though about, there are alot of details that probably will be fixxed as it is developed over the next 6months.

that said i think that Dan could probably post up the current specs of the machine he's working on, if he decided to go with the SpaceCube then it's size'll be about the same as the GameCube (those are tiney boxes)
I think we should just concentrate on the specs we have to work with and make some games to that, we can worry about the specifics later because no doubt it is going to be a bit fo a challenge to convince DBS to remake a specific compiler for a certain system setup and adding NV3x specific Shader enhancements.

I've also got Bg (BASIC graphics language) to be getting on with, which hopefully we can get DBS to use as an inline language too - but i've been working on this regardless.
most important aspect right now is designing a controller so we know how many buttons, 3d sticks, and other features we'll have to work with.i do currently have a design in my head which is pretty close to the PS2 & GC controller but nothing substancial so probably have a good sketching session later to get it down on paper

but everyone who wants to make a game for it, i'd suggest alot of planning should be going on right now - i can guarentee you that even if the controller isn't done there will still be a USB mouse&keyboard that can be attached if needed.

hopefully that helps

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Posted: 20th May 2003 09:46
I'm not a jerk fuzzy... =\ ok I give this example to my friends... they do stuff like this all the time... ahem:

"When you go into a chat room and start calling everyone 'fags' and being mean... Who is the actual 'fag'?"... Of course there idiots and say "IT MUST BE YOU LOOK INTO A MIRROR DORKPUFF"... cause they still call me by my handle...

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Posted: 20th May 2003 10:28
DP - WTF? Lol haha

I might have a project for this, it's under dev ATM.

My comp cannot use shaders though so thats a little difficult to implement.

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Posted: 20th May 2003 11:16
oki denki, its not a full solution but if your download the DirectX SDK (will have to be 9 as i've not used the 8.1 interfaces for it) i'll send you a plugin to activate Software Rendering for Shaders.

only problem will be is you'll need a pretty beefy CPU to handle it, for decent speeds you'll need atleast a 1.6Ghz (i'd recommend a 2.5Ghz) processor.

i'd highly recommend picking up a graphics card capable of shaders soon, GeForceFx 5200 £53 from Watford Electronics which would be a very good and recommeneded update for this

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Posted: 20th May 2003 11:56 Edited at: 20th May 2003 12:07
Well atm I'd say you need to target a machine with least a
GeforceFX5200, 1200MHZ+ cpu and 512meg dual-channel ram but I'm still choosing parts so I can't tell you exactly yet, I'm going by price vs performance because I want people to be able to afford the bits and pieces, though of course it is temping to build a state of the art system... I also want the same parts to be available in 3 months time so the thing can actually be built, you know the rate of progress in this field is very, very quick, and products are dropped all the time.

The case design I'm working on is limited by the size of the parts it contains, and also price. The spacecube is certainly cool, and I'd like one but I think the main problem is the micro atx mobo's really don't cut it in the ways I want. I'll post a render next week sometime, it's really not that important right now (Don't worry it doesn't look like a vcr)

I wouldn't worry too much about implementing shaders at the moment, but I would look into understanding them, so that when the time comes
you can add them to your project, remember this will take quite some time before plans are finalized and production of kits etc begins, so you have time to come to grips with all that. Put it this way, my copy of DBpro hasn't even arrived yet so I'm stuck with the demo, and My eye candy demo involves dynamic cloth simulation and such and needs patch 4.1 at least to work according to Lee. So You can allow for the future whilst working in the present with what you've got, do however read about shaders and their capabilities, so you can factor that in to your development schedule. The quality of games I'm thinking about will need at least 3 months of development for a really talented team, and possibly years to make top quality rpg's etc, so that gives anyone who wants to work on games for the machine quite a lot of time

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Just saw raven's post:

I was thinking also that DBpro may be able to use cg/hlsl shaders in a future patch so putting off learning low level shader languages might not be too bad a thing for most folks, better for now to focus on gameplay and originality, add the bells and whistles down the line once you have hardware capable of handling the various shaders, the software emulator is so slow it's painful

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Posted: 20th May 2003 20:01
raven your profile saus you are located in the US but here you are talking about Watford electroics where is in Hertfordshire england what with that

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Posted: 20th May 2003 20:30
Hes English... =\ He lives about 3 hours from me though...

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Posted: 20th May 2003 20:40
even if i wasn't english i'd still use Watford Electronics
best damn'd retailers of computer hardware in the world - just a shame they don't ship overseas yet.

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rats... =P I drank 3 cups of coffee... I feel good...

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I drank a bottle of blackberry nip (amongst other things) and I feel just shocking

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Posted: 20th May 2003 21:02
no we always use to use their luton branch but now that PC world is just round the corner and can give better prices coz its a chain we always go there no plz don't shot me

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 21st May 2003 08:39
better prices? have you hit your head on something and gone to lala land??

last time i checked at PCWorld you can pickup a 120Gb HDD ATA100 for around £130 and at Watford you can get it the same HDD for £80
infact anything you buy in PCW i can bet you that you can get it cheaper in Watford...

memory for example 512Mb DDR2 Clk2 for only £33 (would love to see PCW beat that)

you can get 1.5Gb for like £90, i remember spending about that only about a year ago on 512Mb DDR2 Clk2

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Posted: 21st May 2003 20:57
kay i need to upgrade my old aries (bought from watford) so i'll look in to that

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Posted: 24th May 2003 00:47
How is the box coming?

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Posted: 24th May 2003 13:22
Slowly, I've been distracted by XSI and Cg/Vc++, I'm getting bored with the DBpro demo I can't really do what I need to in it. I hope my full version arrives soon so I can get the patches, it's been 3 weeks since I ordered it

Also I went on an obligatory drinking binge with an old friend who's getting married and moving to Japan, so that hasn't helped

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Go to http://members.lycos.co.uk/timesaga/forum/ and the forum is called nFinity. No posts in it as yet though, but keep your eyes open ^_^

Oops, damn 3rd page, this was a reply to Crystal about where he could find the info on the FMTau Forums. :S

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Posted: 28th May 2003 02:25
I upgraded my old mp3 box with stuff from a more upto date stuff.
Unfortuanatly the box is about 7mm too narrow to fit a cd-drive in unless I loose the network card. I also chiped the core of my decent processor and the heatsink fan stopped working.

It has a powervr kyro II card with video out. Does the video out always work or does it only work with the correct drivers in windows?
My old mp3 player was a few simple shell scripts and a small linux installation and it would be nice if it would show on the tv.
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Well I have a working prototype of my idea, and it's pretty useful too though now I notice raven has taken this idea, given it a new name, and is marketing it as his own.

Just for the record, when I had this idea it was to make something which would be buildable by anyone with half a brain and cheap to do, a menu system which was a shell for the os being the main difference between it and a regular pc, and this menu being able to access various software installed to run roms from any machine via existing emulators, or download games written in db from anyone's website by linking to a central page where folks could link their latest projects.

It was NOT to create something to cash in on, for reasons which should be obvious, ie: the whole thing relies on prior art to the point where it cannot possibly warrant a patent, and also because I was doing it anyway and I thought it wouldn't be too difficult to write the shell menu and upload it for anyone to try out, along with a set of plans.

Instead of being developed along these lines, I notice raven has commandeered the project and is touting it as his own development, and a commercial one at that.

It doesn't particularly bother me, people will always steal ideas if they don't have enough of their own, I on the other hand have plenty

Just a note to make it clear that I don't support this tangental development of an idea I would have liked people to share freely in into a commercial one

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I wouldn't worry too much about any commercial gains from your idea. The open method will work a lot better. Since the software isn't too difficult to write and people will be able to buy compatable hardware for a similar price. The only think left to sell is the case which would have to be pretty special for anymore than a few people to buy it.
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what the hell are you talking about Dan?
this isn't being tauted off as my own project... i've taken the idea and developed it further and differently to how you were doing it, but that aside your still involved in it.

or rather you would be if you ever got online, i hate emailing people about things ... kinda like using a text over phoning someone kinda thing and i have told you this before. If you want to know whats going on you need to talk to me on MSN.
Nothing is going on about stealing the idea, i mean for gods sake we talked about this over MSN and you said that it would be cool if i could actually make this happen.

Thats exactly whats happening, you're still creating your version, i'm getting this done on a more professional level taking it from being a kit system which costs a pretty penny to something people can just buy in the shops for over half the price.
You want to be more involved in this then actually talk to me sometime as i'm working my ass off to make all this stuff happen... i'm setting up deals, i'm talking to so many blasted developer companies its not even funny i've been halfway across the freakin' world to set this all up and set this all up for a green light.
Plus i have software to develop get other companies developing software too, design the controlers, try and get the marketing all done so that people actually will know enough about it to know they want it.

So don't go on about how i've stolen your idea because last time i checked your STILL an ample part of this project, and i'm doing one hell of alot of work to make it a true reality.


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Posted: 31st May 2003 11:27
Well I read something Jerico wrote and it sounded like you'd taken the project completely over and named it, appointed a publicist, and his comment was, wait, i'll get the quote...
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David89

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Is this that DB-BOX project that was advertised a few weeks ago?


Jerico2day

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This project was inspired by the DB-BOX but Danmatsuma is not part of this project, as his project is fundementally different from ours.
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So you're publicist seems to think otherwise, perhaps you should set him straight, it's his version not mine that I was going on.

Anyhow I go away for three days and come back to find that there's not even a courtesy email to say you're going ahead with all this, irked me last night because I had a terrible hangover after playing a show involving 7 guitarists and followed by a couple of nights the likes of which ye have never seen... Like I said in the nFinity Post I'm not angry about it but I was surprised, and felt it was certainly within the bounds of my rights to give my side of the story.

Still you should know me by now, no hard feelings

PS:
You might be pleased to know that Jolie has Divorced BillyBob

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Ah Dan I'm sorry for the mixup! I had asked raven about it and the message got confused... The mistake came when I was reading the ideas of both the projects and the fundemental differences such as licensing, company backing, and propriatary files came to play. He also failed to mention that he's been trying to get a hold of you. I must apologize and such mistakes wont happen again if I can help it.. Now get in touch with raven! lol trust me we are not here to screw anybody..

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Dan they never deserved to be together, what Jolie needs is someone more like... hmmm... me
She is one very very fine ladi hehee ...

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If this ever does come into fruition for retail I'll make kangaroo2studio components available as oem for users It'd b so cool to have a basic console that could run the games but also obviously they could be run on a pc too, and vice versa And a specific spec to aim too / write for would be sweet

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http://www.geocities.com/crackrim/box/

Some photos of mine. I just put newer hardware in the box that was once just a mp3 player. It's not very professional and the exposed power supply is a bit dangerious.

Just have to sort out the software and clean up the spaggeti wireing inside and make the power supply safer. At some point I would like to make a nicer box. I have to make a lead to connect it to the tv as well.
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Hehe, reminds me of my old AT pc... Well you could lower the profile of the thing: My GeforceFX5200 board is half the height of your graphics card, takes no fan meaning the metal bracket can be halved in height. Other than that a motherboard with onboard sound (I got an asus nforce deluxe) which also has lan and modem built in + usb 2.0 and clk2 ram slots it can get down to at least half that height. I also use a completely different type of power transformer instead of a stock pc one. The problem with having the p/s uncased is the noise/rf it generates and also the magnetic field. Still it's good to see someone else mucking about with modding like this You really should have some metal in the case structure though, for sheilding purposes and proper earthing.

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My sound card is about the highest a card could go which is abit of a problem. I just used what I had. I am not really prepared to actually spend any money on it.
The box fits the gap under my tv ok so making it smaller isn't a real piority. The eathing probem is on the todo list as well as some sort of powersupply shielding.
I am not actually using it yet so have a while to come up with somthing.

I take it you make seperate small power supplys for the different voltages needed. I have only ever made one power supply before and it just consisted of a transformer a couple of diodes and a capaciter. I think I am proberly better off sticking to a standard ps.
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standard PSU's are universal, there is a little switch (now hidden on most) which can flick between 110v and 230v the 3 prong connector is the same for monitors and PSU's all over the world so you just flick the switch and send the right cable connector out and its all good

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Well I started off thinking that way but I came up with something rather cool in the process of thinking about the best way to do things with the power supplies.

I wanted something:

-very small
-ultra quiet
-rf and magnetically sheilded
-self cooling
-interchangeble
-multinational
-lightweight

For now can't tell anyone how I've deviated from the standard pc power supply, as I have a non disclosure agreement with royal inventions. It could however come as part of the case

The design I had in mind for the entire box was taking into account that some folks might already have some parts and not want to buy them twice, but they kinda do have to meet a certain spec to function in the right way, and most modern cards actually have quite a low profile, it's only the bracket that secures them into the AT style case which needs to conform to older measurements. Of course thats nothing someone with a pair of tin-snips can't change

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2003 23:37
i could probably guess what you've done... i mean with a limited setup of components you can really make the powersupply less adaptable, i mean really all you've gotta accomidate for is the keyboard/mouse & controlers each at around 200-500mA that means that a 2amp variance, base the design on an A500 powersupply using current components and a stronger capacitor you could really make it silent and be able to handle what you put through it + probably about the size of a large graphics card (like the FX5200 ) lol

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Hey, I'm gonna bring this post back to life! *Sings a Cheesy Spiritual Song* For a 3D Platform Gam, I have a bunch o' characters, a setting, and a very basic storyline me and others could expand on. It's all in the source box. (like everything else in the DB world!)

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Source got messed up! I'll try again...

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Ahh!!! Ray and Jay are connected, so is boomba and the rads!

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btw, these ideas are for nFinity console use only with my permission!!!

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