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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Negligence in Japanese Version

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Oryaaaaa
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:06 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 06:12
DBPro supports Multibyte. LEE is sure to know it.
Everyone doesn't know.

Sales companies of a Japanese version are only sold.
Because LEE contracted with this chicken, I am angry.
YOU!!, The forum doesn't exist in Japan.

The bug of trifling Japanese processing has been dump
for one year or more, I know sure to only correction
of several lines.

Lee, Please comment.
Thank you

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:24 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 11:32
Quote: "Because LEE contracted with this chicken"


Good luck on that i think much of the meaning was lost in translation but I'm guessing your moaning it don't fully support unicode (two byte) japanese character set.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:53
It's not negligence. DBP isn't really getting much updates or anything IN WHOLE. He's been working on DBPX10 and FPSCX10.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:59
Why don't you just email Lee instead of bombing on him Publicly?


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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 07:01
Because public insults are more fun.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 14:55
nani?

sumimasen, anata wa eigoga wakarimasu?

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 15:06


Wastashi wa sakana desu

Sorry, it's your fault Grandma for trying to be a show off

I think there might be a couple of mistranslations. If Gatorhex is right about what you're, I'm sure there is a means to work around it - but I'm sure Lee/TGC would have preferred it if you sent a friendly email to them and then I'm sure they'll give you a helpful response - Lee doesn't visit the forums as often as he checks his Inbox, so you probably would be more likely to catch him there.

Good luck getting this solved though.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 15:09 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 15:09
lol, i am surely not!

I'm definetively not the showoff type, why do you think i've never posted my 3d art or music compositions here?

I are teh greatly insulted one.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 17:15
I am sorry 'ma, I am not worthy.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 18:25
Quote: " nani?

sumimasen, anata wa eigoga wakarimasu?"


So if you know Japanese then why not ask something constructive? If I were to try and write a message on a foreign board I certanly wouldn't expect someone to say; "what? Excuse me, do you understand English?"

However, I'm not entirely sure what he's trying to say, perhaps writing it in Japanese would have been more beneficial.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 18:28
hehehe
Thankyou

DBPro English version is Great prodruct. I have DBPro Ver1.0
JP Ver is Crush product. I dont have DBPro JP ver

But, my friends is DBPro JP ver Users.
"HELP ME! HELP ME! YOU ARE OLD DBPro User!!! HELP!!"
this problem dont fix?
dont fix???
I have to develop IME control library by PureBasic.

LEE have to fix this problem.

OK! I dump source


JP Ver dont use "ImmGetConversionStatus"
Program run, operate IMM, REJECT INPUTS

"cant oparate" by dbpro JP users

Its Critical Bug.
JP Seller say "No Problem! hehehe!!!"
LEE contracted with this chicken

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 19:15 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 19:16
You think English is hard to learn, try learning Kanji.

I apologize (sumimasen?) on behalf of every English speaker (stupid gaijin?) who's ever tried to localize a program for Japan and ended up with it extremely mangled in translation. Now, would you kindly apologize for all the products made in Japan whose localization into English is mangled?

My first language is Tsalagi, English is my second. Yet you don't get any complaints from me about how Lee didn't even attempt to localize DBPro for Tsalagi speakers. You at least have a localization. I don't

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 19:42
Quote: "So if you know Japanese then why not ask something constructive?"


Because i'm not confident in my understanding of the language to go into technical stuff yet.

Now i ask you, since you seem to know japanese, why not ask him something constructive as he seem to be having problems with english? Instead you decided to ask me a question. How sligtly hypocritical of you.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 21:23 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 21:24
Ah, those japanese programmers are it it again. They are so leet when it comes to that stuff. I think if they wanted to, they could revive a crushed robot by just breathing on it.

Cool name Oryaaa: "orya = Japanese Sound Effect - what to yell as you attack; a fighting taunt or war cry." the 'aaaaa' must be bring the same effect as yelling huh? Clever

Why don't you upgrade your version though?
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 21:32
Ironically, by posting the gripe here rather than in an email someone or other might eventually get to the bottom of it. If he simply emailed Lee with the same comments I'm not all that sure that Lee would understand it. I take it "chicken" is derogatory slang for something, but I'm not sure what.
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 21:35 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 21:45
I have the Spanish version of DBpro and I don't have any problem with it even I updated it here not in the Spanish web, is the same software, just a translated version (I can read english but however I prefer my native language).

The Update should work for him.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 21:38
I think he is saying the person Lee contracted with cares less about the user and more about the profits, releasing a poor version.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 23:36 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 23:38
子 shi

Sorry, I was wondering if the forum supports two-byte strings.
I Geuss it does. WOW , I wasn't expecting that.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 23:39
ラユコ


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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 23:43
Well, if we're going to have a fight posting japanese characters:
気四見
空火山
下犬口

Ten Schnitzengruber-bucks to the first person who could give me the english meaning of all those.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:01 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 00:02
All I'm seeing there is question marks... guess I don't have any Unicode crap in my Firefox browser. Oh well, not like I could read it anyway.

And besides, they don't the Tsalagi syllabary characters anywhere in Unicode dammit. A large number of North American tribes use our syllabary for writing.

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:04
Quote: "All I'm seeing there is question marks... guess I don't have any unicode crap in my firefox browser. Oh well, not like I could read it anyway."


It is more of a problem with your computer, on some computers you have to install additional symbols and on some it is completely unavailable. On my old computer I couldn't read any japanese.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:10 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 00:10
@ Dr Schnitzengruber

ummmm i'll take a shot at the last line.

below the dog's mouth? haha, i read the symbols as being seperate. I know most of the meanings from them symbols used alone, but when they are used together the meaning sometimes becomes not-so clear for me.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:16
I put random symbols in a random order(normally something funny comes of it). The anwser is:

atmosphere four look?
air fired mountain?
below a dogs mouth?

only one line made sense(I wanted more)?
anyway Grandma gets 10 Schnitzengruber-bucks:


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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:39 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 00:40
Yay! can't say no-thanks to a gift even if i'm not quite sure what it is.

The one in the middle...

air, like "steam" + fire + mountain... Could actually be read as Volcano. Cool.

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Quote: "You think English is hard to learn, try learning Kanji.
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It's not that hard, it's just a lot of symbols to learn - when you look at the symbols in the right way (rather than just scribbles) it becomes quite easy to pick up.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 00:44 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 00:45
Quote: "Well, if we're going to have a fight posting japanese characters:"


Well... you don't have this one on your keyboard! Ñ ñ

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 02:21
Quote: "Well... you don't have this one on your keyboard! Ñ ñ"


do you have this Ж or this Д

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 03:49
卍 ☭ ☠ ☢ ☣ ☯ ☮

Stop this madness!

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 04:48 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 05:03
So as not to use an impolite expression, I installed the translation support software of 1000 dollars. "ATLAS Professional"

Lucy
It completes it in localize. A Japanese version supports IME of Windows. The multi byte can be displayed with DBPro. There is however a bug in the support of IME. The game made from DBPro of a Japanese version cannot be operated by the situation and falls.

>localization into English is mangled?
It wants you not to avert the problem. If this problem is not solved, I do not support DBPro in Japan. A Japanese product is excreta because the producer is not considering "Customer satisfaction". Gomennasai

Grandma
Yes, a constructive proposal has already been made. If you may become slower DBPro, I make the IME control library. However, it is judged that I have the programming experience of the hobby for 25 years or more, and LEE should solve this problem with fix of DBPro.

Sid Sinister
I am not a programmer. The tractor repair man. The programmer in Japan is certainly crazy. hehehe

Jeff Miller
"Samurai Works" that sells a Japanese version is a sales policy who damages the DarkBasic culture. I reject it. It is because of disregard for one year or more even if a critical problem is caused.

Sopo the tocho
This problem doesn't support the switch key input in two bytes and one byte of IME. DBPro will not loop-to-loop by the exception handling if Win32API of IME is correctly get.

Thank you

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 05:24 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 05:25
well, I'm glad he cleared all that up

sorry, had to add this:
only 1000 dollars for that translation program?
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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 05:28 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 05:45
Grandma, i hope you mean that as a Buddhist good luck symbol or someone might be offended.

http://www.boltoneveningnews.co.uk/display.var.739461.0.swastikas_on_bank_floor.php

Did you know you can do Klingon in unicode?

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 07:14 Edited at: 7th Sep 2007 07:14
Quote: "Grandma, i hope you mean that as a Buddhist good luck symbol or someone might be offended."


Ofcourse, i enlighten everyone around me with the true meaning of the sign by slapping it in everyones faces.

It's very much fun.

Some people do tend to misunderstand me though....

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 07:45
Lucy
I examined it about Tsalagi a little.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_syllabary
I think that you can display Tsalagi in DBpro.
There are some approaches.
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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 15:42
Does lee know about this thread yet?

Is his issue resolved? I'm not really following the broken english... I understood it better without the $1000 translator software. Maybe he means it in his currency? It wouldn't be very much then would it?
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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 17:43
Yes, pcRaider, it's possible, especially by including a special font. I'm merely jokingly complaining about the lack of Tsalagi characters in any unicode set.

If I set my keyboard to Tsalagi mode, and try to program everything in Tsalagi, it comes out gibberish.

Still, is this even Lee's problem? If the localization is handled by an external company, shouldn't the griping be done at them first? And then they can take it up with Lee? Maybe I'm wrong, quite possibly I'm wrong.

As for that "Buddhist Good Luck Symbol that some people might find offensive" and the "Swastikas on bank floors".

There's something all the people who point at that Buddhist quadreskel and complain miss.



The one on the left is a swastika, the one on the right is the Buddhist and Hindu symbol. Not only is the Swastika rotated 45degrees from the ancient symbol, but the arms on a Swastika point clockwise, while the Buddhist/Hindu one point counter clockwise. There's a huge difference and people need to stop taking offense at a symbol of harmony and balance just because they're all spoiled by digital clocks.

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 18:22
Microsoft issued a critical update to remove the buddhist version of that symbol from a font file. That's plain ridiculous to me, political correctness gone completely off the scale.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2007 18:55
ok,Lucy
You are happiness, and is good.

I can do small help if there is a person troubled with localizing it.
Because I had trouble with a problem to localize.
I talk about it in another thread.

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Quote: "Microsoft issued a critical update to remove the buddhist version of that symbol from a font file. That's plain ridiculous to me, political correctness gone completely off the scale."


That's insane...I'd be obliged to find that offensive, but MS are just trying to cover their butt from people who misunderstand and later sue for a good sum of money. This whole political correctness thing is getting more irritating as I hear about it...I think the legal system needs to be tougher and I don't mean the attitude of the police (that's tough enough) but the judges on certain PC cases. It's people giving in to someone kicking up too much fuss over a minute insignificant thing.

Quote: "Ofcourse, i enlighten everyone around me with the true meaning of the sign by slapping it in everyones faces."


The secondary reason why I'm having the symbol as a tattoo - contribute into showing others it's not a symbol of Nazism.

Quote: "Did you know you can do Klingon in unicode?"


Most of us have better things to do than learn Klingon Like watch paint dry.

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Quote: "Did you know you can do Klingon in unicode?"


Show me! If it is, that'll be hilarious. Yes Klingon, no Tsalagi. If you can show me, I'll laugh my ass off.

Quote: "ok,Lucy
You are happiness, and is good."


Huh? What? Why me? What'd I do?

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
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Posted: 8th Sep 2007 03:31 Edited at: 8th Sep 2007 03:35
Quote: "Most of us have better things to do than learn Klingon Like watch paint dry."


Watch out, some people here can speak klingon.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2007 03:32 Edited at: 8th Sep 2007 03:37
You can't call yourself a true geek until you've read the works of shakespear in the original Kilngon language

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Klingon-Hamlet-Star-Language-Institute/dp/0671035789



If you want to learn how to be wealthy and ruthless i recommend you read the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

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Posted: 8th Sep 2007 03:33
Wow, three poeple posted at the same time.

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Quote: "You can't call yourself a true geek until you've read the works of shakespear in the original Kilngon language"




I guess you can't...I bet the rhythm isn't the same and the pure skill of Shakespeare is lost in translation.

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Quote: "the pure skill of Shakespeare is lost in translation"


Not according to Klingons. If my Trek lore serves me well, Shakespeare is just as celebrated across the Klingon culture as he is across the British culture. The whole culture finds Shakespeare incredibly inspiring and it's probably the original entry point humans had to peace with Klingons. A piece of human culture from one race adored by another race is certainly an avenue toward mutual understanding.

But then, I'm really a fan of Star Trek, and I don't like Star Wars, or Babylon 5, or any other space opera. Sure, I'll watch them, sure I'll enjoy them, but there's no fangrrling. It's just a tv show to me.

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
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Posted: 9th Sep 2007 11:17
swastika like symbols have been used across many cultures, and typically mean good things. It's amazing that one misuse of the symbol could invoke such rage in people today. Obviously the Nazi swastika is nothing to be proud of, but it is the freshest memory of the symbols usage. I watched a show on the history channel about it, and learned that even the american army has used the symbol, granted it was blue and white and not tilted, but was a swastika none the less. In public I overheard a lady shout "It's a twisted cross, and goes against god!". yeah, that is what it was intended for when it was created like 3000 years ago. If someone were to go around killing people with a christan cross on their shirt would that make it an evil sign? oh yeah, it's been done by Charles Manson (tattoo on his forehead, which became a swastika while he was in prison) and the conquistadors, and the answer is no. As long as the symbol isn't accompanied by the heil and arm motion, then the racism lies within the mind of the observer.

I hope my cynicism hasn't offended anyone.
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Hello.

I am busy, and the answer is late. BUSY, BUSY

It solves the problem by my technology.
Library shareware "PRICE 500 euro".
The labor cost of Japan is high. This price is appropriate.

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