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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / 3D Cloth and Particles Released + EZRotate V2

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Richard Davey
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Hi all,

We just released the 3D Cloth and Particles expansion pack for DBPro. Ask Mike any specific questions you may have about it, but check out its web page first:

http://darkbasicpro.thegamecreators.com/?f=clothandparticles

Also released Version 2 of EZRotate Enhanced. Lots of new features and example programs. All new customers get this as standard, all existing customers get it for free by simply downloading the pack again from the Orders area in your Profile. This time it'll save a _v2.zip file instead. Questions specific to that to Ron (Wolf) please.

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the cloth+particle physics pack looks really impressive!

I must admit I'm a little dissapointed at the lack of any kind of demo... even a compiled version of the examples would suffice... personally I want to see it in motion before I make a purchase!

Go Go Gadget DBPRO!

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my thoughts exactly

it looks good but i have no way of knowing for sure that it's worth my money...

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Well I took the plunge an bought it, and I've got to say it gives me a lot of inspiration. The cloth system looks wonderful and is so easy to use. The particle effects are also pretty neat, especially the fire demo.

Time to play with my new toys

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Posted: 9th Oct 2004 01:57 Edited at: 9th Oct 2004 01:57
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Looks great. Although, as others have said, I'm hesitant to buy it before I've had a go with it. I assumed there'd be a similar system to the terrain pack - a demo that expires after 7 days and then we have to buy it.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2004 01:58 Edited at: 9th Oct 2004 02:01
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We will be releasing a stand-along demo of cloth + particles very soon, stay tuned, no trial version is planned atm.

Also the Enhancement pack and EZRotate pages on the DBPro site have been updated to include a full command listing for each.

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EZRotate V2 DOES NOT WORK!

I uninstalled EZRotate V1 and installed V2, Everything compiles fine but none of the commands actually do anything. Even the demos don't work!

WOLF............!

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Posted: 9th Oct 2004 02:45 Edited at: 9th Oct 2004 03:12
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@BlealziBob

Have you created anything with the Cloth yet? I also would like to see something first.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2004 06:09 Edited at: 10th Oct 2004 04:43
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Are demos going to be downloadable, or will it be allowed if someone uploads a demo exe for others to view? - so we can see these things in action before we purchase it.

[Edit: Whoops. I realized that my question was answered. I was at work and rushing out. Sorry all.]

But I would like the demo ASAP. While I dtill have the money

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I can post a demo and you can see what happens if you want.


It's 14 megs for the Ghost Train, which basically shows all the stuff you can do.

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Ok.
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Quote: "EZRotate V2 DOES NOT WORK!

I uninstalled EZRotate V1 and installed V2, Everything compiles fine but none of the commands actually do anything. Even the demos don't work!

WOLF............!"

I am having the exact same problem
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It is a problem with activation. Lee has been working on it. It will be fixed as soon as possible.

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Might have been a good idea to test it will all coexist first, before releasing


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Quote: "Might have been a good idea to test it will all coexist first, before releasing"
My thoughts exactly. They need more beta testing instead of letting the one who buys it be the tester.

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Might be worth either getting some more people to test everything or perhaps ask around...


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I would really appreciate if you made the demo available. I would like to see it running.

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yes. I'm really considering buying the particles / cloth pack, but there's no demo...
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Ok... so you are telling me that you made a particle engine for an engine that has particle engine? That sounds like a desperate call for money.

Also, I amm quite sure that there wont be any new particle commands in darkbasic anytime soon. That's what I dont like about the TGC, you guys make a half decent engine, and start shooting out 3rd party software like plugins and FPSC. I hope that you understand that FPSC might not be a big sucess for you guys, like the 3D game creator. If that's the case, I dream that you start working on DBPro, or will it be a DBPro 2 with 500 new commands!! That's what happened to DBC and that is what happening to DBPro.

Hope you guys understand me.


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Ok I bought the plugin, when I install the plugin it doesn't have a directory to instyall to so I chose my DBPro directory using the Browse button then when I get it installed I open up an example and attempt to run it but it says it doesn't recognise the commands, also whats more it won't let me activate it.

This is really upsetting because I hoped I could use it.
Oh yeah I'm running 5.7 if that helps.

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Look in the plugins-licensed folder under "compiler", in the DBPro dir. What's in there?

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Quote: "It's 14 megs for the Ghost Train, which basically shows all the stuff you can do."


Would you be able to upload that demo exe to your site? It'd be cool to see what kind of stuff this plugin can do.


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I just upgraded to 5.7 from 5.1 and purchased the 3Dcloth and Physics dll. Everything went very smooth. I even installed Windows XP service pack 2.
There was a slight problem with my map editor(something in the 5.7 upgrade) but other than that I am impressed with the new 3Dcloth dll and how it works..

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can someone please post a demo of the 3dcloth and particle pack

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Quote: "Ok... so you are telling me that you made a particle engine for an engine that has particle engine? That sounds like a desperate call for money."


The pack we just released are particle PHYSICS commands, nothing like what DBPro has natively. The names may imply they are the same thing, but they aren't.

Quote: "I hope that you understand that FPSC might not be a big sucess for you guys"


You're right, it might not be. But I don't think that is going to be the case, there is *nothing* like FPSC out there and yet as T3DGM showed us, there is a definite market for it.

There will be no "DBPro 2" as such, that would be a backward step - the current one will continue to be upgraded on a regular basis with new features and bug fixes as often as we can manage, when the technology from FPSC is moved into DBPro, that will be a significant enhancement to the core language. The more we work on DBPro, the better it gets. To drop it and start something new isn't a good idea.

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Do people who have EZrotate version 1 have to pay agian for version 2 ?
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no version 2 is an update - just go to your order history and download ezrote again

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Awh still no demo.. ok I'm not calm.. I'm very curious to see this thing in action on my Nvidia 6 series

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Some questions:

1) Have anyone solved the problem with EZrotate V2? It does not work. Will be any time soon?

2) I have installed the Cloth and Particles and it is impressive. Specially the fog vortex in the hall demo program. Can it interact with newton and tokamak physics? I mean, Can I have a program running this engines simultaneously? It would be great.

3) I know is not a question to post here but anyway speaking of plugins: Why does the Advanced terrain does not work with 5.7? Seems like a version fail syndrome.


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I bought the Cloth and Particles pack. It's pretty impressive at a first glance. Not going to judge it until I actually really use its features. The train demo is impressive but would be more breath taking if less cartoony.

TGC has yet to let me down. I don't regret spending a single dime on any product I have purchased. I do strongly suggest TGC start making some more serious tone demo's for their products as all these goofy, cartoony demo's undermine what DBP and it's expansions really are capable of.

One example ? In the train demo I was casually sipping my coffee while watching but soon as that Skeleton Knight appeared and swong it's sword (which didnt look so cartoony) I had to put down my coffee and restart the .exe just to see it again and THEN I was impressed.

Take Maya for example, they mix up the cartoony demo's with some very intense serious tone demo's which in turn caters to both audiences from a marketing aspect.

Question,am I allowed to compile the ghost train into a standalone .exe and make avail for others to download and view ?

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Quote: "Question,am I allowed to compile the ghost train into a standalone .exe and make avail for others to download and view ?"


why not? Please, we will watch it too...

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I think a solution to the problem with EZrotate v2 has been found. I hope to see a fix available tomarow.

WOLF

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Hi all,

this looks like a good expansion pack, a few questions for anyone who has already purchased it, is it easy to make fire/smoke (do you need extra media or does it come with the pack), and can you position particles at a certain point as there doesn't seem to be a position emitter command.

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Sorry for the delay. It's uploading now. Give it an hour from this message.

http://www.cellbloc.com/darkbasicforum/GhostTrain.zip

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I like a few of the other demos too - I might upload one


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@Cellbloc Studios

Runtime Error 105 - File does not exists at line 763

some media missed...
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Poo. Let me check. Back in a moment.

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See if you have "ghost.dat"

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I missed one file. You can get it here and put it in your root of the game (where the Exe is)
http://www.cellbloc.com/darkbasicforum/ghost.dat

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I have to agree,..TGC has been making progress steadily in improving the functionality of their product. The odd bump in the road i can take,...DBPRo is an easy to use directx wrapper,..if you look into the functions of directx you will see them being implemented step by step into the dbpro language. Like all Basic languages, its an attempt to put the technical into this common sense language. I found that, to understand some of the dbpro commands that do not seem to be documented well enough, all I had to do was dip into the directx manual,..find the similar function and "viola" there are all the unknowns explained. By migrating to directx via C/c++ you would get all the commands in detail,..however, its complex. I think we use Basic because we feel a closer affinity to the syntax of it,..and that is what we have been given,..the functions of directx in a basic syntax. Not an easy task,..but im glad they are doing it.
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Quote: "Look in the plugins-licensed folder under "compiler", in the DBPro dir. What's in there?"



Right now I have:
PhysicsMain_PC_Master.dll
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PhysicsMainLang_PC.loc
AdvancedTerrain.dll
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in my plugins-licensed folder

should the PhysicsMain files be in another folder instead?
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Looks okay - have you reigstered them? Try registering again.

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Ok, I re uploaded the GhostTrain.zip to include the ghost.dat file. You no longer need to get both files.

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Quote: "Looks okay - have you reigstered them? Try registering again."

Thats just it, it won't let me register it at all. No dialog presents itself for me to register it.
I've even downloaded it twice to make sure I didn't get a corrupt download and even re-installed it several times, no activation dialog ever comes up. Its really ponderous.
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Are you trying TGCOnline and TGCViewer ?


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Yep tried those and it doesn't detect the plugin at all, it just detects DBPro and the Advanced Terrain plugin, thats it.
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Ok, fixed the problem, had to manually activate it with TGCOnline
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D'oh forgot to Thank you guys for your help
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Hi Cellbloc Studios,

I get could not load image at 1801, has this image file been included the the ghost train zip file,

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It's looking for "media\res.jpg" see if you have that. It's in the zip. Make sure it created a media directory.

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cheers cellbloc got it working now, shows off the cloth side of the expansion pack really well but doesn't really show the particles.

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finaly something to make realistic clothes.......it just had to come out after i baught splinter cell 2 for xbox.....curses



and is it possible to make moving hair in it ??

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