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Ellatica
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Posted: 30th May 2007 15:24
i use 3ds max 9 and cinema 4d and ive started a couple of weeks ago now 1 model is just insane and took me a week to model while the other 30min. please comment





Kevin H
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Posted: 30th May 2007 21:07
wow thats so cool its so nice but those are the rendered ones right not the ingame?
Oddmind
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Posted: 30th May 2007 22:10
the car is your best piece.

The world is alright but the color of the water is horrible, you should make it contrast the world either lighter or darker so we can see it "pop" out.

The chair is rendered a bit shiny, even if you lacquered it. Also the chair looks very uncomfortable, and the seat is a bit short.looks more like a piano bench with a ladder behind it.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 22:40
Can you post a wireframe of the car?

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Posted: 30th May 2007 23:12
thats one cool car.
i'm sure if you were to post a wireframe of the car, you wouldn't be able to see the colour through all the wires!


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Posted: 31st May 2007 00:46
Are you saying that you only started modelling 3 weeks ago? im probably misunderstanding.

but yeah, a wireframe would be nice to see, because im having a bit of trouble at the moment seeing how you went from textured sphere to racing car in a few weeks. please correct me though if i have misunderstood!
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Posted: 31st May 2007 02:34
Sorry.... I have to be suspicious about the car .

But the others look ok........



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Posted: 31st May 2007 03:09
Yeah, I'm not gonna believe that you made the car until you post a wireframe.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 05:32
I suggest we all believe him until proven otherwise. Might be a nicer thing to do!

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Posted: 31st May 2007 14:57 Edited at: 31st May 2007 14:57
not trying to hijack, I just noticed it was a ferrari and reminded me of a similiar project of mine before I decided to do programming...



This is as far as I got before realizing the mesh was really poorly planned, and I started over using blueprints...didn't get quite as far on the new one, but the mesh is much better.

If anyone wants the .blend's for this ^^ or the newer version, I can post em here...

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Posted: 31st May 2007 15:37
i dont really belive u did the car either.. Post wires please..


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Posted: 31st May 2007 17:39
I think if they posted wireframes you would get stupid people searching Turbosquid.

And if they want to though.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 01:00
There is always one isn't there


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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 02:55 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 07:03
Well I searched the internet about an hour to see if I could find the model anywhere, and I came up empty. Including every Ferrari at TurboSquid. Even more strange is to find the Ferrari F40 without the top.

[edit]:
I just realized (damn laptop; didn't notice from the lack of lighting in the scene) that it does have a hard top. Interesting. I'd really like to see a wireframe now.


While it's hard for me to believe that Ellatica went from a squirrel and a sphere to that in under two weeks, I haven't been able to disprove his claim either. So for now I'll just say, nice work! Would like to see the scene lit up a bit better. And of course I'd like to see the wireframe.




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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 03:29 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 03:31
When I compare the quality of the chair with the well done shapes of the car, I confess that it is hard to believe that the car was made by him.

But we should believe him. It is possible to model a car like that one within one week. We can believe that he modelled the chair when he started and evoluted after that.

So.. while this is the truth, I want to see some good lighting schemes for the car scene

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 04:21
sorry guys i was really busy heres the wire frame

there isnt the lights/reflections since those were done in cinema 4d but i put it in wire frame in 3ds max.
i know that was a huge jump but i did a couple of models and then thought i want to get a better rep for my company ( more like a partnership - me and a friend)so i desided to go all out on tutorials for all the software i could find. and once i thought i learned a good amount i thought about spending a pretty big amount of time on 1 model that would hopefully come out good and worked non stop on it for like a week. oh ya im home schooled so its much easier ( got 3 hours a day ) and i promice you guys that i did not just take it off 1 of those sites and say i made it cause really what would that do for me... well thanks for all the comments.

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Venge
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 04:32
awww...now you all feel like jerks.
j/k
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 04:45 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 05:24
Honestly I don't feel like a jerk. And why should I? Skeptical ...yes, "Jerk"... no.

And that wireframe, ummmm, doesn't reveal anything. We need an actual wireframe, and not a render.

Here is a squirrel model from Ellatica from a week ago on the 24th. Now while I think it's quite good, there is a major difference in the modeling of this, compared to the car and the chair.

I'm not saying it's not his. I really don't know. I wouldn't be suprised though if it isn't. If it is his, then he has really put in a lot of work.

While we can't rush to judgement, given the history of posts in these forums, we are right to have reservations. If it is his work, I'll give him props. That won't happen though until I see a clear wire-frame.

I'm not saying he is guilty, but I will be bit cautious given the samples I have seen.



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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 04:59
Here is another thing i hope will prove you wrong but im not sure if it even will. and what do you mean an actuall wireframe not a render. like you want the wireframe in the program... idk what you mean but tell me so i can show you

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 05:11
I was once accused of ripping an image off the net and saying I did it, so I know how you feel Ellatica. Hopefully now that I am established that isn't an issue!!

Like Zen, I think your progress seems almost too fast. That said, you may be prodigious, so power to you.

I guess you have said you did it, so we have to believe you till proven otherwise. Although saying you were home schooled gives more creedence to the "you ripped it" argument!!

Regards,
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 05:12 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 05:21
A wire-frame. You know the thing you see as you are modelling the poly's. Just that, no render, no background, no texture, just the white wire-frame with verts.

Here's an example...


Coincidentally you and "Artificial Stupidity" both signed up for accounts on the same date, and now have both posted intricate models. His was found out to be a free turbosquid pack. Hopefully yours turns out different.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 05:16
ok here it is...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 05:29 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 06:36
Alright, For now i will give you props. It really looks awesome. Great work!

I have seen a model out there with a similar name, in the same format, @The3dStudio. It's similar but I guess not the same.



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Added on: 9/2/2004
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Keywords: ferrari f40 car vehicle sports car italian super car
Category: 3D Models > Vehicles > Cars > Sport
Summary: Highly detailed Ferrari F40 car model in 3ds and max formats.
Rating: from 73 reviews. (read reviews)
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thats actually were i got the idea of making this car. i just want to get the rep up of my lil company not flush it down the toilet.
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i believe you ellatica. i get my insparations from other models too. and for all you other disbelievers look at how much more detailed the seats are. how the metal fishnet thingy at the front of the car is smaller then his. the color. the lighting. the tires. the hubcaps. i say we all just give him props. and also why does ellatica saying he homeschooled have more to the idea of it being ripped. it just means he has more time on his hands to model his model. well those are just my 2 centrs worth.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 06:05 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 06:42
Quote: "thats actually were i got the idea of making this car. i just want to get the rep up of my lil company not flush it down the toilet. "


Look, I feel bad calling you out on this. I know what it's like to want to be a part of a community, and be respected. But submitting work that isn't 100% yours (without giving credit) isn't the way to go about things. I'm still not sure if you just stole this , or used it as a reference, but too many things are the same for it to be all your own. Do you understand why I feel that way?.

Don't take it too hard. Don't try so hard to impress. People here will like you for you. I myself have a hard time grasping this. Ask indi, or Grandma, Cash Curtis II, and many others here. I hope that helps a bit.

Now if you did work off this model, come out with it. That would be the first step in restoring your rep. If you didn't and my observation is off, I'll be the first to appologize.





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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 06:33
hey looks good

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 06:40 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 06:41
Quote: "
hey looks good
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Does anyone actually read threads around here anymore?????

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 06:44
Those cars look very much the same.


Come see the WIP!
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 06:51 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 06:51
Down to the smallest details; directional signals, Head-lights, Head-light covers, the textures... even the File Name!

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Good work on the model there Zen.


Jokes.

My guess is that the guy won't be coming back.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 10:11 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 10:25
I hope he does come back. Perhaps he learns not to do things like this in the future.

As much as I was setting the bait, I can understand and have empathy for wanting to be liked. I had some reservations on this one... given the probable age, and myself not wanting to humiliate someone I don't know much about. But if was not posted by me, it would have been delivered soon enough by someone else.

Yeah, I roped him in slowly. Perhaps it would have been better to not string it along, but....

I figured that I had the model yesterday. I wasn't 100% sure - (more like 99%) - without the wire-frame. I didn't think it was fair to the actual artist/modeler, & I was debating on whether or not to post it. That was until....

1. He continued to maintain that the model was his, and even added more background story to the work he did.
...I probed a bit further. Hinting at the fact that the jig was up.

2. Then he posts a pic titled "MyProof", and basically taunts me.
...At that point, I was still trying to give some room for him to get out, So I posted the source.

3. Now what blew me away was he still tried to act as though he got inspired by that model.


Three Strikes... Your Out!!! Stick a fork in ya, you're Done.

Strike Four!!!
To top it all off, he was still trying to play out the MMORPG thread (in which I knew I had been had once already) and so I posted a link to this in there as well.

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Quote: "I can understand and have empathy for wanting to be liked."

Well, being liked is nice. Being a social reject and liar is certainly not nice, whoever does it. That is why I'm so incredibly rude to Raven, he often tells fantastic gamedev lies in order to get people to think he's awesome. It sounds like he's a nice enough person 1 on 1, but in a public environment he is unstable. My brain short circuits when I see something like that, I cannot understand or allow it.

For someone to be a valued part of this community, they need to bring something to the table. In this way, we can all benefit from each other's presence on the forum. I've met the most talented indie developers in the world here, all conveniently assembled in one place. It is a drain on the community when people show up with no talent, motivation, or integrity. It is a constant cycle.


Come see the WIP!
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 12:29
haha. i'm always quick to spot the phoneys.

check out my work on pixelation

http://pixel-arts.org/pixelation/index.php?topic=3744.msg47407#msg47407

that guy felt some serious wrath.
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@el zilcho,
What game was it ripped from, and how did you know?

That looks like a great site thanks for the link. I used to frequent another that I am trying to remember now, (thought it was pixelation????), but it looked different. I'll try to find it and some of my pixel art. I lost a lot of it due to a system crash.

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paul robertson is a rather good pixel artist. i had been following his journal for months. i recognised the cemetery statue immediately.

scroll down the blogs and check out his animations, they're amazing.

http://probertson.livejournal.com/
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That is completely unreal, and after seeing that I am thinking that losing my pixel art may have been a blessing. I have seen a lot of awesome pixel artists, but those pieces are in another league.

Now if he were a programmer to boot....

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hehe yep, they'll all make you feel inferior over there. they did to me.

especially snake. damn his brilliance



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Quote: "There are so many similar cars on turbosquid it's amazing.....

http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?FuseAction=ProcessSearch&intStartRow=1&intMediaType=-1&istSearchKey=ferrari


E.D."

see what i mean about always going to turbosquid.

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I agree with you Zen - I'm sorry the car doesn't look like this user's property - look at the other content, okay not bad, but look at the chair, you'd think someone who'd be able to make sure a detailed car could made a chair that is more accurate to conventional design and that they'd make a floor for the car that looks well, better instead of using a Cinema 4D shader that doesn't suit the scene.

If that is truly their, then I am impressed, I mean instead of using hypernurbs and 4-sided polygons, they went through the painstaking job of modelling the entire thing out of triangles and managed to get the positioning so precise and perfect you cannot notice any oddities on the surface. (Okay I admit, that data is changed to tris from import and export 3DS, which can be from the external UVMapping process, if so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt if it really is their own, however they're using Cinema 4D 10, which last time I checked provided Bodypaint with the stand alone package and all of the others, which external UVMapping and texturing would have been pointless)

If you are the rightful maker of this model, then I apologise, but there is too much evidence in my mind too that this isn't yours.

But I'll provide crit on the other work - the 'earth' one looks like an experiment with shaders to me, which can be fun as you can see what effects you get, so nice use of C4D's shaders there (Although the water is too blue IMO), the second is a good render, but the chair doesn't feel realistic to me, perhspd use a real chair as a reference.

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guys i didnt take that car. i didnt modify the car. i got thew idea from the car why would i lie about it cmon. ask me to make some kind of model i will to prove i didnt steal anyones model. i knoiw the models look simalir but its the same car. the file name is the same because im specific of what i call them cause its unorganized. whats better: Ferrari f40 - Car 01
Doge Viper - Car 02
ask me to model something and i will.
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Ellatica when you make a good model they'll ask for wireframe and then go bugger off to turbosquid and say this looks alike!! So then they start to think you stole it. And i know you didn't steal it because on the second pic the car has no wheels and just a roof in mid air so thats why i believe that you made the model.

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thats actually venges model but i still promice i did not steal it and will do anything that will prove that i did not steal it.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 16:26 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 16:27
Ok, attach the model to your next post. If I am wrong I will appologize and never doubt you again.

Deal?

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attach what model?
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Are you serious? The f40 Ferrari.

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ok...

there but what does that proove?
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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 16:40 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 16:41
Stop jerking around. I want you to attach the model's file.

The .3ds file. So I can open it.

See the attachment when you post. It has the "Browse" button next to it.

And I'll anticipate the next response...
I don't have a .3ds file

If that's the case, attach the whatever model format you choose. And don't be stupid and attach a .jpg render of the model.

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He meant the download......

and I don't know what to think at the moment .


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