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FPSC Classic Product Chat / FPSC V108 Bug Hunt

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 11:26
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for your feedback on the related thread which called for an exhaustive list of requests for the FPSC X9 software. With the help of several forum users, we have now compiled the definitive list, and can reveal that number one on this list with a total of 49% of all votes calls for a 'Performance Increase' of the main engine. Whilst we understand that performance is a very specific problem based on what kind of PC you are running and the design of your levels, we do feel that there may be room to move in this area and we need your help to find it.

I am going to tackle the issues requested one by one, starting with performance, so if you have a stock media level that you feel should run faster on your PC, then zip up the FPM file and email to lee@thegamecreators.com. Also, if you feel the performance of FPSC is fine and I should move on to number two, then you are welcome to send me an email about that too. Bear in mind we cannot rewrite the engine and can only target specific areas of slowdown with code optimizations. You will not be getting a 200% speed increase overnight, but with your help we can identify and target areas within the engine we all agree should be faster.

Try to avoid asking for 100 characters running around a room, a zillion crates falling from the sky or 300 fps because your other games run that fast. Bear in mind FPSC is a generic game engine that has to handle whatever you throw at it, compile that level in a few minutes and let you play the result. High end games have a huge asset pipeline, including many pre-processing steps to achieve those attributes.

Ideally what I am after is a level you built with stock media, that when you enter a section of the level starts to slow down unreasonably based on the levels content on a decent PC. I need the level, a step by step guide on how to progress through the level and exactly what I should be looking for when the slowdown hits. The easier I can reproduce the issue, the quicker a fix can be found. Don't email any other feature requests at this time, or different bugs, just performance related issues for now. Also, only send an email with an issue if you can stick around to help me test the various beta versions of V108 as I will need to know if I have solved the speed issue for your particular case.

I will reveal the other requests shortly, but for now I thought it prudent to start collecting reproducable material for what amounts to a request from half the entire FPSC community - PERFORMANCE

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 12:05
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Very cool, I'm sure you will get more than nessecary help as we all want 1.08 to progress.

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Very nice Lee, best of luck improving the performance! I'll see what I can do to find a FPM file which has major slowdown, i'm sure I have at least one.

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Emailed you Lee

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I systemic velocity 2400
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When I put 5 Krkir slowed the game
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Woot! I didn't expect a response this soon!

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 19:19
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This might be a bit too much for a simple "update."
But some sort of timer based system would be awesome.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 20:42
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Well I did email Lee with the list of wanted features yesterday... Coincidence, I think not!

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Emailed you also Lee



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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 23:44
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Same here.

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Just to warn you all, Lee is off next week - he'll be sliding down a mountain on his skis! Just wanted you all to be aware of it and not think he's doing some other project.

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 00:05
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I promise to be careful and go really really slow I know you want me back in one piece (or at least my brain connected to my fingers). I will be working flat out to Saturday though, just to make up for time mis-spent!

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we want time based system ...

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Er...okay?

A please would be nice.



Have fun Lee!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 01:42 Edited at: 17th Jan 2008 01:43
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Quote: " Just to warn you all, Lee is off next week - he'll be sliding down a mountain on his skis! Just wanted you all to be aware of it and not think he's doing some other project."
Lee's doing something besides working on TGC projects! Call the police I personally think Lee needs a good break after all that X10 business, nasty stuff, making me all jealous of lucky people that can run it

Quote: "I promise to be careful and go really really slow I know you want me back in one piece (or at least my brain connected to my fingers). I will be working flat out to Saturday though, just to make up for time mis-spent!"
Maybe you should stick to the bunny-hill, just for good measure I would hardly call a little break misspent though, I would sure want one in your shoes, I hope you make a living of all this TGC stuff. But who will answer my X10 questions in your absence Enjoy your vacation Lee
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enjoy yourself Lee. we'll be waiting patiently for your return.

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Have fun Lee. I've never skiied, only snowboarded, so I'm not sure if there's even more difficulty. But have fun anyway.

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Skiing's apparently easier, I prefer it over snowboarding, which I failed miserably at.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 10:57 Edited at: 17th Jan 2008 10:58
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Well, I wish I could have sent you my last super ultra mega laggy level (That was only one 5x5 floor...) but I've deleted it long ago.

It was really easy to duplicate the problem, too! All you had to do was run it and there you go! 6 fps until you openned the vent door next to you.

Well, I'm sure everyone is appreciating the motivation to optimize FPSC X9, Lee! I wish you the best in your endeavors.

Oh, and if you're ever sitting there wondering "Why does THAT lag so much?" ... *coughscriptscough*


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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 11:59 Edited at: 9th Feb 2008 15:51
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@LeeBamber,

Thankyou for your time looking into this matter. I see yourself or maybe some other member of TGC may have looked at one of my threads. If so or if not, I still thankyou for investigating a solution if possible to what I believe your post is referring to.
I like what you have proposed, as Im sure everyone can use the editor in many different ways.

EDIT: I plan to look into time available to forward a map with details.

Good luck with the research.
Thankyou again for your post.
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While you plumet down the mountain you can imagine you're shooting those models from model pack 5 with you assult rifle, eh Lee?


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More performence...?

That would be super!!!
Because that can use the FPSC genuinly...

I look forward already to it^^



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I just sent off a stock media level that is very laggy on my pc. I hope it helps!

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what does v108 do then?

Yes, I now realize not to post my age in my sig!Hooray!
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Quote: "I am only targeting these first two issues; performance and polygon leaks .... Lee"


V108 will fix performance only. Look for a public beta this weekend, per Lee. V108 is not the touted new version that will have some of X10's features. That's a whole different thing, and will probably be another version as opposed to an update.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2008 06:44 Edited at: 10th Feb 2008 06:44
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Quote: "V108 will fix performance only. Look for a public beta this weekend, per Lee. V108 is not the touted new version that will have some of X10's features. That's a whole different thing, and will probably be another version as opposed to an update."


does that mean we will have to buy a newer version or just add to our original fpsc

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I have a bug with .108 beta 3,
i placed a magic fps ramp leading to upstairs, but when i was at the bottom of the ramp and looked up i could see the sky nd wheni got up the room was back, but downstairs was gone when i looked down.

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Some sounds (such as the reload sounds for guns) seem to be out of sync due to the increased fps cap.
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oh, and another bug... lots of walls/floors/objects disappear at random times, even when they are still in view.

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1.08 Beta 3 Report:

-I noticed the whole beta sequence has a weird headshot issue when an enemy ducks away for your attacks behind something. Their heads do not count as headhots anymore.

-Culling System is a little bit bugged, as stated above it appears to remove them before they are off screen.
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We need a real culling system that only draws stuff within a set distance. I would set mine to 1000 but for larger outdoor games it would be nice to be able to adjust or remove the feature.

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that would be great, except that would look best with fog, you dont want everything a few metres away from you invisible... and speaking of fog, can we have proper fog instead of coloured walls? i turned fog on to hide flying buildings and noticed that all it does is colour in walls, floors and objects to whatever you set fog to... the n64 has better fog than fpsc

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Well, 1000 distance is 10 segments. And the disappearing thing happens in even Crysis

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Is it possible that if you destroy an enemy he will leave more behind
than his weapon which you can pickup. Let say you needed a key to
open a door in the level, one of the enemies is carrying this key.
Killing this enemy he will leave behind this key his weapon and maybe
some health you need to continue.
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Problem installing it with patch C:\Programmi\The Game Creators\FPS Creator don't work the installation of update 108.

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I installed on my notebook and getting an error so I reinstalled
version 1.07. I installed version 1.08 beta 3 on my desktopcomputer
and this is working fine a huge level with enemies is speeding up
a little bit, thanks Lee for the good job.
I hope to solve the problem with my notebook.

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ive just installed v1.08 and the headshot dosnt kill instantly

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@Changes: ive just installed v1.08 and the headshot dosnt kill instantly

From what I understand a shot to the head will make serious damage and not necessarily an instant kill.

As opposed to Highlander.
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wrong, you messed up the install somewhere

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Did you set the correct appear script?


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Doh, of course he didn't.

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Lee, the frame rates are great, but, there is this one small problem I encounter in beta 2 and 3. See attached.

Edit: if you download to view the pic you can see what I wrote on it.


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Flatlander
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Quote: "From what I understand a shot to the head will make serious damage and not necessarily an instant kill.
"


Well I got that info from within the fpi script which stated:

desc = Instant On (and allow a headshot to cause serious damage)

However, I decided to test it and using a weapon with a scope to make sure I hit the head, it cause instant kill. I guess that is about as serious of "damage" one can get.



As opposed to Highlander.
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No, it does like 10000 damage, were you to set the enemies health to something stupidly high, it would survive...

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Even after multiple re-installs of beta 4 and FPSC itself, whenever I add the Player Start marker, I get the error:

Could not load 3D object at line 13736.


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It's like 64590 or something. set your character's health to 999999 that will work

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Ok. Installation problem of 108 solved.

I have removed fpsc and i have reinstalled it without any update.
After this reinstall i have only installed the v108 update "no any "only 108 ..

ty.

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I haven't really had any serious problems so far with beta 4. However, when using the "Fantasy" characters I get a slow down from 37 fps to between 24 and 27 fps. It's not the characters themselves but the fpi scripts that come with them; e.g. minos1-slowfast.fpi. Other fpis, although they aren't specific to these characters, run ok with no slow-down. (using other fpis can really cause some funny results such as the character flopping around all over the place. maybe that's one way of getting a "ragdoll" effect -- just joking)

Addendum:

I modified the fpi because I didn't need it to do exactly what it was doing. However, it still slows things down to 32-35 from 37.
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I installed 108 beta 4 and it ran fin untill i tried to run/test a level. I'm getting "Runtime Error 106 - File Already Exists at line 21499"
and the if it click ok about 1 min. later i get the whole "this application must shut down" message.

I even tryed unistalling and installing again but still the same thing.

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that's probably the level, not the mod.

and if you want to get rid of all traces of v.108, you need to uninstall the whole fpsc program

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