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I'd say MilkShape.
My son uses it and makes some pretty cool looking stuff!!
Mr. K

Yeah Milkshape is very good for kids not too complicated and not too limited,although that's arguable...My nephew uses it and he's only 10.

Froggermon, decided to edit this post, because I realized I posted basically the same message twice. See below for my carefully thought out and logical response.

Alan

Froggermon

I think I said what needs to be said. Me and Arrow were pretty civil to each other so I think I can be civil to you too.

Free speech is great, if you use it responsibly. Airing different opinions is what freedom of speech was intended for originally, not pornography and all the junk people use "free speech" as their umbrella for.

As far as the "protesting" tangent you went on, I mentioned nothing about that so I don't know where you were goin with that. I'm first of all a Christian, secondly an American- I'm not siding with the Republicans or far-right or "conservatives" though I may appear to have some of their values. I merely am trying to imitate the values of Jesus Christ, some of which these groups have, which does not mean they are always right or God's favorites or something.

Though I believe in honoring our leaders that doesn't mean they're always right, and you have the right to question them. America was started by a bunch of protesting rebels if I remember correctly.

Concerning thinking logically before I speak I think I have presented a solid argument intellectually and with clarity. If you can't be "open minded" and see where I'm coming from then you are close-minded. I know where you're coming from because that's the way I thought almost my entire teenage life. I argued your side of the story against people like me until I had an encounter with God that changed my life.

When you have an encounter with God your value system changes, sometimes gradually, it's a different pace for everybody. But it has to change or you have not encountered God.

And Arrow, about closing your mind to stuff because of its content, I like this example I heard: you got a glass of kool-aid, 90 percent kool-aid, 10 percent poison. That 10 percent (improper content) will kill you.

I think we as artists need to learn to express ourselves without using nudity, graphic violence, and foul language. True creativity can use the power of implying things that don't need to be seen. When's the last time you saw a movie where they showed someone taking a dump and the poop coming out their butt? Do we need to see that or can we get the picture when a guy goes to the bathroom and shuts the door? The same with sex, violence- you can imply things without having to give everyone a visual. Are we idiots that we can't figure out things for ourselves without being shown in graphic detail?


The actors of the long-forgotten Hollywood era did not need to cuss to show their anger and rage. Watch some of those old movies and those guys convinced you they were nut job psychotics. But today's actors equate using foul language with representing anger. Yeah, a lot of people cuss when they get angry, but is it necessary in art or can we imply things, so that anyone can watch it without being exposed to things like that?

I know it probably makes no sense to you, but that's the way it is. I know not everyone who does nudes or looks at them is a pervert. But to me it is disrespectful to a woman to treat her as an object even of art for the whole world to see naked when nakedness is something that should be seen between a husband and a wife.

And yeah, Froggermon, I think everyone who is not a eunuch has sexual issues because we are sexual people. I don't equate sex with dirty and wrong, I equate sex outside of God's will dirty and wrong. Believe me, when I get married I hope to have lots of great sex but I will not disrespect a woman by making her my sex toy and calling it "love."

If you really love a woman you'll put a ring on her finger and wait till you're married to prove that sex is not all your after. Love is a commitment, not a backseat/bedroom experience. The sexual revolution has destroyed America with disease, abortion, illegitimate children, people with gender identity problems, etc. All these guys claiming to love girls get them pregnant, then split, and feel it's a hassle to provide child support.

Why? Because people have no self-control. If it feels good, do it. This philosophy is using free speech as an umbrella to encourage this kind of activity and it is wrong.

Well, again, I've said what needs to be said. And I think you and Arrow have basically said the same thing. So, for you and ALL THOSE WHO READ THIS FORUM IN THE FUTURE, we've said what needs to be said for both sides of the issue, if you disagree with it, figure it out for yourselves cuz arguing will get us nowhere.

Anyways, God bless you guys. Love your fellow man even when you disagree with him and we'll all get along. Just please, be careful when you create your art and speak your mind, because you have the power of life or death in you, which means you can lead people to spiritual life, or death, seriously.

Alan

Oops-

Froggermon, I didn't see the next page option- plus the forum list said the same amount of replies were there even after I made my first reply. So I replied the second time. Sorry I repeated myself.

Alan

Not to stir up stuff, but how will you know it's poison unless you observe it? Sure you don't have to drink it (a.k.a. accept it, enjoy it, embrace it) but at least know what it is.

One man's garbage is another man's treasure. I beleave that nudity, graphic violance, and cussing can be part of artistic expression, but not any old genaric crap will count. Personally, when someone only hints to any of the three above, it's far more worse/better than if it was actually shown. Think 'Psycho', it wasn't that voilent or graphic, but it really gave me the chills when I first saw it.

I guess you got a point there Arrow (don't know unless you try). But I think we all have smelled sour milk and knew not to try it. And if something tastes funny you usually spit it out.

But you hit on exactly what I'm talking about (in reference to Psycho). Have you ever seen Treasure of Sierra Madre? At the end of the movie these indian/Mexicans (still confused to what they were) hacked Humprhy Bogart to pieces with a machete, but you didn't see it. You just see them hacking away, and you know ol Bogey is basically mincemeat.

Violence doesn't have to be gratuitous, and I know sometimes some onscreen violence is necessary because sometimes maybe we do need to be shocked. I guess if you asked me what I thought about, though I haven't seen it, the new Mel Gibson movie The Passion, I'd sound biased.

In it they supposedly show the most graphic crucifixion scene of Jesus ever filmed, which to be honest, I am all for (but to be honest, hope the actor isn't naked) because to me that is one of the few acts of violence God intended people to witness. Jesus had to be made a public display/mockery and Romans were all about that. I guess you could catch me again with my words, if God intended people to see that, then He probably intended to see Jesus naked (if that's historically what happend). But I don't think an actor has to go that far cuz I think you can do lighting tricks to show that someone is naked without them actually being so.

Anyways, I know I sound stupid to you guys, but it's a different perspective from the mainstream. Me and an old friend have really had some blowout conversations on the same subject: he's a total politically conservative but his art is the most liberal stuff you can imagine, quite a curiousity actually.

But, enough said. Thanks for the converse!

Alan

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