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Work in Progress / [LOCKED] Revenge - GTA Style Game

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GamerDude
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 10:58 Edited at: 28th Jun 2009 15:16
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Revenge


I have thought about it and I am thinking about creating a basic GTA game similar graphically to GTA SA. So it will probably run on DX8, and it will look ok at the same time. There will be functions embedded like FPSC, so you can code your own missions. The vehicles will be set up in a few different files. Here are the new features for this game:

Gameplay:
58 vehicles
20 weapons
40 missions
100 tracks on radio
20 player multiplayer
20 different characters
5 unique characters
8 animals to hunt/kill
different weather (rain, hail, cyclone, storm)
world effects (pooling in ditch-like areas, flooding around rivers)
storm gully with flowing water
ability to buy and upgrade houses (TV, Texture, Style, Computer)
ability to upgrade car (Sterio, Wheels, Spoiler, Bass, Nos, Colour)
ability to watch TV (.bik applied as texture onto TV screen)
ability to purchase tracks and play on radio
fully adjust and control TV, radio and car
grenades create holes in ground

Graphics:
Bump-map water
Bloom
DOF
Motion Blur

Vehicles:
Modern: (24)
Holden Commodore SV8 Sedan
Holden Commodore SV8 UTE
Ford Falcon XR8 Sedan
Ford Falcon XR8 UTE
Hummer H2
Hummer H2 Limo
Hummer H2 SUT
Toyota Camry 97' Wagon
Subaru Legacy Sedan
Holden Rodeo UTE
Chrysler 300C
Ford GT
Holden Monaro
Lamborghini Murcielago
Ferrari F40
Ford Escort
Ford Focus
Ford Transit
Landrover Discovery 3
Citroen C8
Mercedes-Benz E500
Mercedes-Benz E500 Limo
Truck - Small
Truck - Tanker

Older: (10)
Hummer H1
Plymouth Cuda
Toyota Landcruiser 60 Series
Nissan Navara D22
Mitsubishi Pajero
BMW E36
Holden Statesman HX
Ford F-150
Jeep Wrangler
Landrover Defender

Services: (14)
Police - Holden Commodore SV8
Police - Ford Falcon SV8
Police - Toyota Landcruiser 2001
SWAT - Ford F-550 Armoured
SWAT - BMW E36 Armoured
Fire Dept. - Toyota Landcruiser 2001
Fire Dept. - Scania Fire Truck
Military - Landrover Defender 90 Softtop
Military - Mercedes-Benz Zetros Truck
Military - APC
Military - Amphibious APC
Military - M1 Abrams
Hospital - Ford F-250 Ambulance
Hospital - Toyota Landcruiser 70 Series

Boats: (6)
Small Fishing Boat
Fishing Trawler
Speed Boat
Hovercraft
Fanboat
Luxury boat

Planes: (4)
Airbus A380
Boeing 737-400
Small Propeller Plane
20 Passenger Propeller Plane

Weapons: [In their categories, player can only have one per category.]
Pistols: (2)
Desert Eagle
US Socom

SMGs: (3)
Tec9
Micro Uzi
MP5

Shotguns: (3)
Sawed Off
SPAS12
Mossberg

Rifles: (3)
M4
FN Scar-H
Steyr AUG

Snipers: (3)
Dragonov
M700
M24

Explosives: (4)
C4
Sachel
Frag Grenade
Smoke Grenade

Other Weapons: (2)
Minigun
RPG7

Tracks:
Linkin Park - In The End
Panic! At The Disco - Lying is the most fun girls can have without taking their clothes off
MCR - Teenagers
..more, cant think of much off the top of my head
>>>>>email me what music you would like in the game (preferably modern);
Subject of email: Song Author - Song Name
Email Body: blank

Animals:
Kangaroo
Goanna
Crocodile
Snake
Dog
Bird
Bat
Chupa Cabra

Game Pricing:
Possibly free, I am only making this for fun.

Plan:
1 construct engine and test effects.
2 configure day/night and weather cycle
3 get water and gravity effects working
4 Build world and terrain
5 texture terrain using texturing like crysis
6 model vehicles and set up handling
7 test every vehicle individually
8 set up multiplayer
9 model weapons and set up config
10 set up store scripts
11 set up purchasables and house mods
12 set up car modding
13 set up game menu and sub menus
14 set up game huds and other 2d effects
15 model AI and characters
16 choose music tracks and configure radio
17 test multiplayer to the max
18 do voice acting and media work
19 do rest of work
20 check game over 2 weeks for bugs, glitches or problems
21 advertise & distribute

I have not given up on this project, I have just made it simpler on myself and my team. when the game is distributed, expansion packs will be developed to add more features and towns into the game.

I am still in search of a suitable game engine.

I hope this will develop much faster and easier. All I want to get out of this is a playable GTA game.

Revenge Game Website
^^^Go there in about a week for more info^^^


thanks

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Quote: "Note to mod: How? what is this fuss with sig sizes? it is the image that is limitted and not the text."


Your sig size is the combination of everything in your sig. If your image is 600x120 and you have a bunch of text underneath it is bumping up your sig size over the limit. We are pretty fair about sig sizes!

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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 15:48
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Well, Havok is mainly used for physics, and even though you must quote nowadays for price, if its anything like it used to be it'll be around $10,000 (usd)...

if you got the money, throw down for Pixelactive's CityScape, that will get you half way there.

I emailed Steve, the CEO for Pixelactive, before Cityscape was released concerning whether or not it was going to be released publically or not. this was his response:

Quote: "Randy,



We do sell the tool to some game development studios. The price for the full version is $35,000. At siggraph, we are announcing a lower priced version that is limited to building smaller areas (< 1 square kilometer). Thank you for your interest,



-Steve





Steve Rotenberg

CEO, PixelActive Inc."


If you got the money, go for it.



Just to give you a heads up though, the WIP board is technically for TGC WIPs... so... you may wanna consider using DBP as opposed to C4

Best of luck.
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Why is this in WIP? You haven't got anything done.
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Quote: "-***software to receive real radio, internet and TV"

Quote: "-water interaction (in a puddle, keeps volume and reacts to vehicle tires)"

Quote: "-100+ weapons"




This is great. You've just made my day.

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I'm gonna make GTA5 mixed with a space-trading simulation like in X³ and the zombies from doom3 (but with better graphics of course), oh, did I already mention it's gonna be online?

[/sarcasm]

/e damn, i think I just fed the troll


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@GamerDude, sooo... you have nothing done, and are not planning to use any tgc products? I think that qualifies as a lock. Also, you should consider realisticly what you are thinking of. I'm guessing 100+ people made GTA4, over a few years, with a budget in the million+. I garentee you you'll have to cut back just a little bit to do this.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 17:08 Edited at: 24th Jun 2009 18:10
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ok here the facts. this work in progress doesn't meet the requirement to be in this board.

to meet the requirements i advise you that you read the sticky
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http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=37738&b=8

until you meet the requirements in the sticky the mods will lock this.

hope this helps,
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You made a team request of this in Geek culture and from what I've gathered you've not begun work on this AND your goal is unrealistic for an Inde dev team, let alone one person.

Have a look at indie games and do you really think you have what it takes to make a top-notch GTA clone, we have some skilled people who have worked on similar projects, but not with goals as unrealistic as yours.


100+ weapons? Do you need that many? How long will it take to model and texture 1 weapon? Times that by 100, Lets say it takes 2 hours to make the weapon, you're looking at 200+ hours on the modelling and that's not taking into account the time it takes to code each one in. Even if you're modding, 100+ weapons is unrealistic. I remember reading an article in the Source documentation suggesting you have a small number of weapons, so having 100 doesn't add anything more to the gameplay than say, 6.

500 vehicles? I hope you don't mean 'different' vehicles, if it takes 4 hours to make a realistic vehicle, how many hours does it take to make 500?

The game you're looking to make is advanced by indie standards and would require a company like Rockstar to achieve it, not bedroom coders. Set the bar much lower for yourself. How much free time do you have? Do you really have the skills an organisation to pull off a project that huge?

If you answer, 'yes', I'd have good reason not to believe you. The indie game maker is not meant to make projects to compete with the commercial line, but to create projects within their budget, man-power, skills and time. Within those restraints they need to think how they can make a game fun and not "what would make my favourite game even more awesome?" Look at other indie games, on here and outside of here and ask yourself, "what is a realistic goal for me?" Also look at how much effort is put in and how much time has been spend on it.

Though don't turn down your GTA clone game idea, because they can be made - there's a couple made in DBP, though they weren't made with unrealistic goals.


But a WORK in progress post of course, requires that you show us work of something, but something we can judge the whole project by, so as opposed to maps, we'd need screenshots of something actually happening, or a video or even a demo.

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I know this was locked in Geek, but was this accidentally unlocked and moved here? Just asking because that's the exact same response Jeku gave in his other thread...

Anyway, this thread is a flaming pile of dog poo.


http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=151107&b=8&p=0
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Quote: "The game you're looking to make is advanced by indie standards and would require a company like Rockstar to achieve it, not bedroom coders."


Actually I'm fairly certain that even a company like Rockstart couldn't achieve this--at least not with today's technology. Volumetric fluid puddles that behave realistically when things are placed in them? Just having a couple puddles would slow the game down drastically. Software that receives real-life TV signals? I'm fairly certain you need a TV tuner card for that--do you plan on including a $50 piece of hardware with your game so that your virtual people can watch real-life TV?

There's no way in hell this kid is serious. He's probably trolling.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 19:49 Edited at: 24th Jun 2009 19:52
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That part, yes, sorry, I forgot to consider those elements, yes, that'd require a lot of power. Watching real-life TV? Yes, either a TV tuner or one of these online TV packages, which you'd have to file an agreement with - but it'd not be like using a 'play movie' command, you'd have to be able to apply the video as a texture so that it'd work in a 3D space and have the sound play as a sound file, so you'd need to have code to split the two from the video file? And no doubt if it's free web TV like Joost (or something you'd need to subscribe to), then you'd need to put all of that into consideration, like coding a viewer that'll accept the videos - I'd assume you'd need to ask for some source code and know what to do with it. Plus the consideration of what processing power you need, if you've got volumetric puddles, then you'd need a very powerful system...one that can run that and run several videos at one time...heck I'd be lucky play Crysis and YouTube at the same time. Judging from his Acer thread, he'd find it impossible to run. Add that and you're going multiplayer, so how much traffic do you think would be produced?

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I have started the work on this game. If you havn't got any advice, crit or suggestions, then please don't post. I have several tools I will most likely end up using: (Darkbasic PRO (when i buy it), Cryengine 2 (terrain bump-map), havok and maybe Cityscape if I get a chance to purchase it.)

The TV will probably be a single video file (.bik) that gets applied to the screen. I have made a 500poly old TV that has movable knobs. The screen is a group, so I will apply the video to that. I will probably make the videos with in-game scenes.

This thread was locked in the other board because I had the offering for people to help with this game. I have several people helping me already. This project will go through.

thanks

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Posted: 25th Jun 2009 05:49 Edited at: 25th Jun 2009 05:56
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Quote: "If you havn't got any advice, crit or suggestions, then please don't post. "


We do have criticisms: this project is going to fail. Although I'm not sure how well that qualifies as criticism.

Quote: "Darkbasic PRO (when i buy it)"


You think DBP can handle 100-person multiplayer, 500 vehicles, and 100 weapons? Don't waste your money.

Quote: "Cryengine 2 (terrain bump-map),"


I'm curious as to how your going to integrate CryEngine 2 with DBP. Not to mention you don't have the actual engine in the first place, just a modding SDK.

I'm sorry, I still can't stop laughing, even after viewing this thread several times and posting a couple times as well.

Quote: "This thread was locked in the other board because I had the offering for people to help with this game. I have several people helping me already. This project will go through."


And this thread is going to be locked because you have no progress, your idea is totally unrealistic, and the only pic you've posted is a poorly drawn map done in what is likely a pirated version of Photoshop.

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I understand you really want to make and complete this game but don't you honestly think that 500+ realistic vehicles, 100+ guns, and 100 multiplayer is a bit unrealistic? Forza Motorsport 3 has 400+ realistic cars, and that is a racing based game, so you might wanna lower those numbers if you want more people to take this seriously.

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Please, just stop posting about "this game will fail" or "dont waste your money". I have said, MOST LIKELY, not that I WILL use them. If you continue to insult this game like this then I will report it to a mod. I guess no-one wants to believe in this game so far. Anyway, it is PLANNED to be like that, not promised. If you don't like the plan than dont post about it.

I said I will use Cryengine 2 JUST to develop the heightmap, not intergrade it.

thanks

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Geesh man only tried to help

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heyufool1, I was mainly refferring to the other posts, like:

24th Jun 2009 23:10
24th Jun 2009 23:29
25th Jun 2009 00:07
25th Jun 2009 00:08
25th Jun 2009 12:49

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Hey, I'll help if I could join the team. I read your posts, and although slightly unrealistic, it seems very possible given enough time, and could turn into something amazing. A few comments about the software you mentioned:
DBPro should be able to handle most of the stuff, despite what people say. CryEngine2 seems like overkill to edit maps, and there are great alternatives, but if you're comfortable with it then go ahead. DON'T use havoc unless you've already bought it. There is a free open-source physics engine compatible with DBPro called Newton Game Dynamics. I've used it and it's awesome. The DBPro version can be found here. I'm not familiar with Cityscape, but it's very expensive, and pointless if you're going to be coding the game and loading in models anyways.

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Sheesh dude, I just didn't wanna see you waste the next year of your life trying to do something that is so obviously impossible, especially for a 14-year old kid with no experience programming.

Good luck. I look forward to seeing your progress.

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@ Brick Break: email me if you are interrested

@AndrewT: I have planned this for a while now and I know some C++, thanks for your help.

thanks

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Quote: "email me if you are interrested"

I can't seem to find it anywhere...

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hacksawgames@live.com

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Thanks. Oh, unintentional bump.

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You're delusional... and not meeting the requirements for posting here either, please ask a mod to move this to game design theory or something.
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Quote: "Please, just stop posting about "this game will fail" or "dont waste your money". I have said, MOST LIKELY, not that I WILL use them. If you continue to insult this game like this then I will report it to a mod. I guess no-one wants to believe in this game so far. "


It's not a matter of whether people "want" to believe it. You haven't given anyone any reason for believing in it. If you had some kind of demo showing off some of the impressive features you plan, that would give people reason to believe you're capable of seeing the project through. Just saying that you know a bit of C++ isn't grounds for belief. You say you plan to write this in DBPro but you don't even have DBPro yet!

People aren't "insulting this game". They are giving you a reality check. It is not insulting to tell someone that they can't do something if they really can't do it, and you really can't do this. As people have pointed out, no commercial game comes close to the kind of thing you're talking about. It's not a denigration of your abilities to say you can't do it. No-one can do it. Saying that the features you mention will "most likely" be included doesn't change anything. It is not "most likely" that they will be included. It is certain that they won't be, because they are absurd.

I don't mean to discourage you, but the fact is that if you attempt this project as described you will end up discouraging yourself, because you will fail. You should start with much more modest aims. How about just planning to create a simple 3D world in which players can run around, drive a few vehicles, and blow each other up. Even that is pretty ambitious (if it includes the multiplayer aspect), but it is achievable. If you can do that successfully, then it's time to think about adding some more advanced features to it. But deciding from the get-go that this project is going to be the Matrix is a sure recipe for failure and discouragement.

Also, it's a bit rich to threaten to report people to moderators simply for pointing this out to you, given that you've posted in the wrong forum yourself. Work In Progress is for showcasing work that is actually in progress, not for announcing planned work.
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Mods, is there a way to only allow me to post in this thread? If not, just lock it. I guess this thread is only getting bad reports and crit.

I will not be giving this project up. This project will be completed. Stop saying that it cannot.

edit: HAVOK was released for free! on the havok site you can download it. I am about to get the distribution license for over $10USD.

thanks

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Gamerdude you're young and I'm sure you have a lot of fine dreams. But remember that dreams not always can be constructed in the real world.


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Let's follow Valle's example, eh? Best thing for this thread is to ignore it until GamerDude has managed a piece that coherently rebuts every point in Plotinus' post.

Go.

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@ GamerDude, I've noticed you have 22 locked threads...

I think you should look at what other people are doing, and follow their example to get more useful responses, and less locked threads.

And no, there is no way a modwould make it so only you could post here.

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GamerDude
Have you ever seen those funny pictures, with the words 'FAIL' on them?
No?
Well [Print Screen] just gave me a new one


New DBPro IDE + integrated debugger!
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Hey GamerDude, I think some of the features you state are pretty hard to accomplish, but I'd be willing to help. The least I can do is gt you a website up and running to discuss your plans farther.

e-mail me if you would like my help.
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Regardless if you're capable of this project or not, if you're willing to pay, I will make custom media for your game.


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Quote: "ok here the facts. this work in progress doesn't meet the requirement to be in this board.

to meet the requirements i advise you that you read the sticky
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until you meet the requirements in the sticky the mods will lock this.

hope this helps,
cyril "

please read the above carefully.

GamerDude try something simple like pong to start with then build up to something bigger, oh and get DBP for a start.

To
Brick Break, ETCG and Kravenwolf

I wouildn't recomemend that.
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I have said it, I am going to get this finished. I know how to accomplish this and it will be done. I have a list of vehicles for the game. I will be getting a website for the game and I will link everyone to it when it is up. This game will be completed over time, just because it doesent look good so far, it doesent mean it cannot be done.

@ETCG: I will email you

@Kravenwolf: I will consider that, I will email you

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There are techniques to do everything you've mentioned. So, yes, it can be done.

I am wondering, though, how you are going to get everything optimized well enough to run on even a mid-high end computer, if you do finish it all.


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The game will be set up using lods and it will only create dynamics within 10m of the player, the LOD will be set up in the options menu. the game will be optimised for 8800s. by the time the game is out, 8800's should only cost about $120.

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Quote: "it will only create dynamics within 10m of the player"


10 meters isn't very far. I wouldn't even drive my car if I couldn't see 10 meters in front of me.


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by dynamics mean destructibles, terrain movement, etc. the vehicles are always dynamic.

thanks

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Ironically I noticed that one of the boats is named "Troller"

May you one day finish this or at least realize the futility quickly.



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Quote: "The game will be set up using lods and it will only create dynamics within 10m of the player, the LOD will be set up in the options menu."


You're going to need a hell of a lot more optimization than that if you plan on getting this to run on an 8800 GTS.

What kind of culling routines do you have in mind? DBP doesn't have a scene graph, so culling will be much slower than it needs to be. Are you going to design your own scene graph system? And how are you going to do the LOD? Progressive meshes? Or are you going to load each level's mesh at the beginning and keep them in video memory? That could get slow, quick. Or are you going to load each LOD level dynamically? How about AI? Surely with a complex city full of obstacles and multiple heights pathfinding could get slow, not to mention all the vehicles that will be on the road. What algorithm did you have in mind? Speaking of vehicles, are they going to follow laws? Or just wander around your city aimlessly? Will they turn on turn signals before turning? Will they have brake lights? What about hazard lights and emergency flashers? What if someone's car runs out of gas? You said you want fire trucks. If a firetruck is speeding down the road, will the cars on the road pull to the right? And you mentioned terrain. Surely you'll need some kind of dynamic terrain streaming system. What do you have in mind for that? And of course there's the dynamic fluid puddle physics. What are you going to use for that? You do understand that Havok will definitely not support fully realistic fluid simulations.

Oh, and good luck getting permission from the maker of each and every vehicle you posted earlier in order to use them in your game.

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I am getting very annoyed with people saying it will be impossible to do, or it won't work on what. It doesent matter how old I am, this project will be done.

The vehicles will have different names and the logos will be changed.

If you don't have any constructive feedback, DON'T POST!

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Alot of the reason people are doubting you comes from the first section of the WIP rules:

Quote: "Where's My Game?
W.I.P is work in progress, and surely, even after just 5 minutes of planning, you could say a game was, work in progress. You can't however, expect people to go crazy over your game if you've only got a storyline and a name for the main character. Work on your game, wait until you've got something to show then BAM!!! post a thread about your game, showing all the work you've put into it and all the different parts that your busily working on and people will think, "Hey, this persons, done a lot of work on this game and I can see that there serious about wanting to finish it, I'll give them some encouragement and let them know how good they're doing.""


I'm not trying to discourage you, but you should try to get some kind of list of what you have accomplished yet and perhaps a screenshots of some models, level segments or anything else on those lines. While not impossible, your idea is a bit out of proportion, and people will want to see what you have done so far. Not to mention its only gonna be a matter of time before a mod locks this thread if you don't have anything to show.

Best of luck.
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Quote: "If you don't have any constructive feedback, DON'T POST!"


I thought my post was constructive. I simply pointed out flaws in your design and made suggestions as to how you can correct them. If that's not constructive, then please, oh master-of-coding, tell me what is.

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Gamerdude, although I will be willing to work with you on this game, I think you should just make a couple quick models or something to keep this thread from getting closed. And it might get some of these people off your back.

Btw, I don't know if you know this but my offer to make a website isn't for ads, but for team communication on the game.
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Well, AndrewT, in case you've never used DarkBASIC before, he does have a few things performance-wise going for him. For example, because of VFC and draw distances, less than half of the area will be rendered at any given time, so that doubles the FPS. Plus, static objects render many times faster than dynamic objects, which takes care of LOD without any visual loss of quality, and DarkBASIC allows you to switch objects between dynamic and static at will. As for AI, since it's only small numbers, how much lag do you seriously expect out of that? The only thing I agree with you on is fluid simulation. You're right, it's not practical. However, if GamerDude were willing to compromise fluid simulations for particle effects, which may be what he's talking about, it wouldn't be an issue at all. To sum it up, I don't think we'd be seeing performance issues even on a laptop, it's all a matter of hard work and raw skill.

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Thanks BB for explaining it. I will give some pictures later. They will be in a .zip archieve, just extract it and there will be several images of the models (not textured yet). I have already started sorting the game folder layout and what archieves will be used. The game will be made moddable so people can change vehicle names, specs and their handling. There will also be colours. I will upload the game folder with sub-categories with NO media, text documents containing the tutorials and a few examples will be included. No working EXEs or plugins will be supplied. But all this will be done later.

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Well, I'm looking forward to driving that passenger ship.

Quote: "I am getting very annoyed with people saying it will be impossible to do, or it won't work on what."


And people are annoyed with you JUST SHOUTING THAT IT CAN BE DONE and not explaining how you are going to do it. It's been pointed out to you time and again that this is the WORK IN PROGRESS forum. You haven't bothered to show any signs of progress. In the absence of that, the very least you should do is explain how you're going to do the project. Can't you see how irritating people find it to see someone just asserting I WILL DO THIS IT WILL BE GREATZ LOLOLOLZZZXZ, ignoring all the points that have made in response, and whining at people to shut up? This is a forum, where people are supposed to engage in conversation, which means reading what other people write and responding to it. By ignoring what people are telling you, you are breaking the rules of discourse and seriously winding people up. Plus, of course, proving to anyone who might have had doubts about the matter that you don't really have a clue how you're going to create this project, because if you did, you'd tell us.

Quote: "If you don't have any constructive feedback, DON'T POST!"


First, you don't get to dictate what people post. You may have begun the thread but it doesn't belong to you and you can't say what people may or may not post. That is the job of the moderators. Second, if you're going to post your ideas here, you should be prepared for people to react to them as they deserve. No-one here has flamed you or mocked your ideas undeservedly, as might have happened in many other forums. They have responded sensibly and you have either ignored their advice or whined about it. Third, as AndrewT said, everyone has given you constructive criticism by commenting on your "design plan" (or "wishlist" as it would better be called) and explaining problems with it or asking you how you'd do it. This is help, and if you can't understand that you should go away and grow up.

Now we've all had a lot of fun with this one but something tells me it's really run its course.
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Wow. This project looks awesome. I'm so glad you didn't make a thread before you had any real evidence of a game

I want robotic legs.
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