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Zdrok
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Wrong. There are many Bill Gates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates_%28disambiguation%29

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Quote: "and hardcore maths skills to be the currency for entry."


So true. I've always struggled with some of the math topics required for entry level jobs in the game industry--- it's a wonder I ever got the chance!

Quote: "I use dark gdk, not dark basic. And plus I'm still a kid."


Bill Gates didn't even have a high level language like C++ when he originally wrote BASIC for the Altair computer.

If making games is a hobby for you then it's not about the tools you use to make the game, but the games you produce with the tools you have.


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This is pretty funny, because yeh, while I can pull game terms like bloom and parralax mapping out that no-one knows, they'l often trump me by asking a sport question/lyric quote, and then I'm screwed...

The whole world knowing how to program? Jeez mate, it's nigh impossible to get a job in game dev anyway, don't imagine it being worse...

I, of course, cannot really "program", I made an asteroid dodging game in XNA, that was it...

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Well, one of the things i think is a general trend (at my school at least), is that people aren't really involved in the development of stuff on their free time (by "development", i mean making anything, a bike trail, a game, art, writing, etc.). Most of the time, people just hang out, play video games, or the like. That's what really ticks me off :\
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Quote: "Everyone at school is a noob..."

That's why they're in school you noob

Not many people know I program, I mean my parents, my closest friend and my boss, no one else! (Yes I have more than one friend you gays).
It is my dark secret, I just figure people don't really care about it or will just assume I'm a total geek which I'm not (I'm only 65% geek, oops giving a percentage just took that up to 70%)
I'm not into it as some sort of escape for reality, I am fascinated by how a computer seems to be "alive", and everything that is possible comes from your mind!

If I see a computer nerd I secretly eavesdrop in the hope that he says something about DB! haha
There's a regular customer that comes into my shop and I was convinced he was Yodaman Jer, but I never asked and I now know he isn't (his name isn't Jer for one!)

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A lot of kids in high school don't really give a damn about programming unless it's for games and involves something like this. However, this applies to most of the real world too, and you'll get nowhere by berating "noobs" for having no "talent" and comparing yourself to Bill Gates because you can program in high school.

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Quote: "Well, one of the things i think is a general trend (at my school at least), is that people aren't really involved in the development of stuff on their free time (by "development", i mean making anything, a bike trail, a game, art, writing, etc.). Most of the time, people just hang out, play video games, or the like. That's what really ticks me off :\"


That's a general trend for the entire age group.

Everyone is different. Some people are into things that have tangible results early on (programming and art, for instance). Others aren't (for me, learning about languages, though that's not the best example). Always keep that in mind.

Quote: "There's a regular customer that comes into my shop and I was convinced he was Yodaman Jer, but I never asked and I now know he isn't (his name isn't Jer for one!)"


That would have been awkward if you had.

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Quote: "Potassium, not to burst your bubble again, but Bill Gates was doing stuff a lot more complex than DarkBasic."


@Xenocythe,
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but the word basic has nothing to do with how hard it is, which is what I think you were trying to show, but BASIC stands for, in short, a language that you program from. Sorry if that wasn't your point, I just wanted to point out to everyone BASIC doesn't mean it's easy, it means it's a language.

And Potassium, withou telling my age I'm almost sure I'll end up knowing more than you, because I will say this...
I am quite young, am a pretty fast learner, and am good at solving problems. The only real advantage is that you have gotten started at coding, and I simply know how all the processes of making a game fit together and what mindset to go in when I start coding.
I have not finished a lot of games, but I have developed several 2D games that I never bothered to finish. I didn't use any TGC products, but a program that is easy to learn, and takes forever to work with.

Also, I can relate to you on friends. I have friends that just want to play games, and act oblivious to how it will be when they are adults. I know you should enjoy being a kid and all, but I would rather learn some things now that couuld make my life easier. Instead of growing up and going, "OMG! I actually have to take care of myself?" I can get a headstart on a profession that has actually been growing more popular over the years. Do you have any idea how much people get for making goofy little games for the iPhone?! Like a month of work and they might as well have been making a huge MMORPG! serious...

But anyway, I just hope you all have a good life without too much worry. And you also seem to know quite a bit about programming, which may get you rich!
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Quote: "One girl in our year, much to my surprised played bowls professionally (not a popular sport, I know) "

One of the lads in my year plays it for county, and hes in the rugby squad as well....

Quote: "To be fair, do you know what a lepton is?"

Electron. =)

I like physics, and Im pretty good at maths (if good counts as top in year...) but I cant do languages for toffee. Yet I know friends who speak 3 languages fairly fluently and couldnt care less about computers, and another friend who can program in Java and PHP but has little or no interest in games. Does that make the noobs?

I do agree that compulsive videogamers who speak of pwnage can be annoying.... but then again, one of my better friends favourite phrase is "pwntanged"

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Quote: "Not to burst your bubble or anything, but the word basic has nothing to do with how hard it is,"


BASIC = Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, so actually yes, it does have everything to do with how hard it is

Quote: "Electron. =)"


An electron is one type/flavor of lepton, but there are about six of them if I recall correctly (muon, tau, tau neutrino etc.)

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That, and he never implied that the word basic had anything to do with how hard it is.

Look, lots of people program at a young age. I think most of us on this forum did - I started at 10 with Visual Basic and others and then C/C++ at 12. That doesn't mean I'm the next Bill Gates, it just means my priorities are towards programming, as well as math. And yeah I was the only one in my school who programmed, but there's no reason to look down on people because of that. The world doesn't need another elitist programmer.

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Well as it has been told here that nobody really knows everything, there's no need to call your buddies noobs. I'm sure they're lifestyles annoy you, but hey, it's their life, not yours. So really, if they annoy you, just talk to them, ignore how they are and have a good time, or find new friends.

Although it is odd that most of us are alone as far as friends that program. It would be nice to have some friends help you make a cool game. But then again, the world is full of different people.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 13:41 Edited at: 9th Aug 2009 13:43
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Coming to Uni I've met a couple of other game programmers, a flat-mate in my first year who was only really the first half of the first semester programmed and he had one hell of a PC. He actually introduced me to Baggers (old forum member). Other than him I had a housemate in the year just gone studying Games Programming and I grew to dislike the guy (I was close to hitting him). Both were able to talk down to me able programming, I mean I'm a lowly DBP programmer who hasn't even completed a project.

So there's nothing wrong with your friends not being programmers.

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Quote: "One of the lads in my year plays it for county, and hes in the rugby squad as well...."

One of the lads in my year is the second fastest under 16 100m runner in the country.

I don't know many programmers, but I do go to school that's a licensed tech college so I assume there are a few - I know there are some in 6th form, anyway.

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I'm much better with 3d in Dark GDK then 2d.

Bill Gates was something unique. They said he was "too smart for school". Now I'm obviously not too smart, but I do generally well.

@ETCG

I have made some games, i just never really got that far to make it a WIP.

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Why do people automatically assume your a newbie at programming just cause you signed up recently? I have been programming months before I even joined.

The kids at my school text each other, play video games, hang out, basically do what the typical teenager does. I was searching what programming language they made SuperTux in and some kid says "Who cares about the programming". Who Cares? Heck they could have stole somebody's code. Heck they could have changed a few sprites. heck they could have a virus.

But now i don't really care about others that much caused they think they're better then me, they think life is so easy, this n00b thinks he can become a game designer by playing a lot of video games. He says he made his own video game, but I bet he stole somebody's source code by using copy+paste and claimed it as his own.

OpenXDK is a homebrew kit for developing XBOX applications, but it requires a modded XBOX and is much harder then XNA.
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Quote: "But now i don't really care about others that much caused they think they're better then me"


But you think you're better than them? Programming isn't the most important thing in the world you know.

Going around calling people "n00bs" because they can't program just makes you sound childish.


I could say having no artistic talent or basic scientific principles makes you a "n00b". Surely if you want to go into game design you'd need some artistic flare?

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Quote: "Why do people automatically assume your a newbie at programming just cause you signed up recently? I have been programming months before I even joined."


Most of us don't pay attention to the join date since everybody has their own learning curve. When I do glance at the join date I'm more shocked at people that joined several years ago and still don't know how to make an array, or a simple FOR/NEXT loop. Obviously they didn't program in any language all those years but it's still shocking.

Like everybody else has said it's all relative. I admit I'm a total newbie when it comes to fixing cars. My Granddad and Dad were great mechanics and even had their own shop for many years. I kept away from it like it was a plague and focused on computers only (programming and later building/fixing). I can change a tire but that's about it.

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Quote: "(Yes I have more than one friend you gays)."

Nice typo haha.

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Quote: "I just wanted to point out to everyone BASIC doesn't mean it's easy, it means it's a language"


So far you're the only one I've seen argue that a higher level language is just as difficult as a low level language. Higher level languages abstract away complexities the higher they get. C++ is a high level language which is abstracted from a lower level language, and so on. DBP is almost as high as you can get.

Not saying you can't make incredibly difficult things with DBP, but it's apple and oranges away from something like assembly.


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Quote: "Why do people automatically assume your a newbie at programming just cause you signed up recently? "


This probably didn't help to portray you as a l33t coder either.

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my freind tom is 12 (like me ) he wants to make 3d games WITH OUT downloading anything. that is what i call a noob.

no one cares about programming. infact, while in school all people care about is things that will never be usefull in life. every one in my school thinks they can become a famouse footballer when the truth is that they can barely kick they ball.

i say forget about them and think about yourself. if they get stuck working in a shop spending every penny of there money on games then let it be. just make sure you rub your cash in there face

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@mike5424

That's the spirit. Finally somebody actually understands while everyone else is sort of missing the point.

I never said I was a 1337 coder, but I'm pretty sure I don't know anybody who is even close.

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I am not saying all programmers end up like Bill Gates, but I'm pretty sure they at least go somewhere in life.


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this n00b thinks he can become a game designer by playing a lot of video games. He says he made his own video game, but I bet he stole somebody's source code by using copy+paste and claimed it as his own."


Its very true. I heard him say it to some other kid. He's been picking on me last year saying "you suck with technology f off"

OpenXDK is a homebrew kit for developing XBOX applications, but it requires a modded XBOX and is much harder then XNA.
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Isn't that what college is for?



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Quote: "every one in my school thinks they can become a famouse footballer when the truth is that they can barely kick they ball."


I'm sorry, but how is that different from saying you're gonna be a successful programmer/game developer if you can hardly write in DB?

(For the record, I'm not saying you can't write in DB...I don't even know if you use DB, I was just making a point)
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Potassium, judging by that thread David R posted, you still have a loooong way to go. I'm pretty sure I could pick a semi-intelligent kid in your school to teach C++ to, and get him to your level in about three weeks. Maybe less. The fact that you chose to pursue an interest in programming does not make you better than the rest of your school. Sorry.

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Potassium, you'll never achieve greatness if you have no sense of humility. And this applies for everyone.
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I haven't read any of the replies in this thread, know that before reading on.


Really, it doesn't matter does it. Don't judge people on what they do and don't know. When you really need someone to be there for you and I mean really need someone to be there for you, then you can think about who you do and don't want to spend your time with. It might not be obvious at first but some people will mean a lot more to you when it really matters.



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I guess Potassium thinks I'm a noob. I don't know how to program or 3d model.

Oh wait, I'm not a noob because I can ride ATVs, shoot guns, and do successful room entries better than most (if not everyone) on these forums.

Potassium- This is one of the most ridiculously arrogant threads I think I've ever read.

Quote: "I'm sorry, but how is that different from saying you're gonna be a successful programmer/game developer if you can hardly write in DB?"

Best question ever.

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Quote: "Oh wait, I'm not a noob because I can ride ATVs, shoot guns, and do successful room entries better than most (if not everyone) on these forums."


I was once trained by the Coast Guard for room entries when doing search and seizures for illegals and drugs. Not saying I'm better than you... And that was for boats, but same applies for rooms.

But I know how to program, model, ride ATVs and shoot guns with good accuracy... Har har har.

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Yes I can lack humility at times.
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My dad actually trains CRT (basically prison swat team but it stands for Crisis Response Team) and has been for nearly 15 years. So I've been doing that stuff for years now. Though I'm only 18 so I definitely still have plenty of room for improvement. But I've been riding quads, shooting guns, and doing tactical stuff since as long as I can remember.

He's also the rangemaster at the prison so I'm pretty accurate with a gun.

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Quote: "My dad actually trains CRT (basically prison swat team but it stands for Crisis Response Team) and has been for nearly 15 years. So I've been doing that stuff for years now. Though I'm only 18 so I definitely still have plenty of room for improvement. But I've been riding quads, shooting guns, and doing tactical stuff since as long as I can remember.

He's also the rangemaster at the prison so I'm pretty accurate with a gun."


Well then, it looks like we have a lot in common. I first shot a gun when I was 4 though... 12 gauge.... Didn't feel too good the first time ..

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, I'm just saying..

I think Cash Curtis would own us both though with his experience.
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I was 6 when I shot my first gun. It was actually a 20 gauge. We didn't have a 12 gauge at the time. I don't even remember shooting it though to be honest lol. I just remember being told I was scared We just got an AR-15 not too long ago too. It's freaking sweet. I can't get enough of it. But it's ridiculous trying to get ammo these days. Anywhere you go all you can find are shotgun shells. Don't get me wrong, I love busting out the 12 gauge and doing some trap (we have our own launcher) but nothing beats the AR-15. It's impossible to get 9mm ammo too which is obnoxious as hell since we shoot that so much.

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Quote: "Anywhere you go all you can find are shotgun shells. Don't get me wrong, I love busting out the 12 gauge and doing some trap (we have our own launcher) but nothing beats the AR-15. It's impossible to get 9mm ammo too which is obnoxious as hell since we shoot that so much."


Odd, for us 9mm ammo isn't too difficult to find... But then again, we have a specialized gun shop/shooting range down here. Tons of cotton-tailed rabbits too! I don't really hunt them though because I don't plan on eating rabbit, and killing animals without using the remains is plain wrong.

But yes, I absolutely love trap shooting, it's one of my favorite hobbies... Of course, the initial ringing in your ears from the shotgun can get annoying, but that's what ear plugs are for, right?

The USA is getting too strict on gun owning and ammo sales... It sucks big time, right now is probably the best time to stock up... Since it's only going to get worse.

Launchers are pretty cheap too, like $60 at Wal-Mart would get you the most expensive one.
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Quote: "Odd, for us 9mm ammo isn't too difficult to find... But then again, we have a specialized gun shop/shooting range down here. Tons of cotton-tailed rabbits too! I don't really hunt them though because I don't plan on eating rabbit, and killing animals without using the remains is plain wrong."

Lucky! We can't find 9mm ANYWHERE. And I... uhhh... well... shoot a lot of animals lol. Generally only the black birds we get near our property because they are CRAZY ANNOYING. I've shot a couple skunks and squirrels too. I've never shot a rabbit. I'm not too fond on shooting them just because they're so dumb. I saw one jump off a cliff once (not even kidding, it was like a 200ft cliff and it just jumped straight off.)

Quote: "But yes, I absolutely love trap shooting, it's one of my favorite hobbies... Of course, the initial ringing in your ears from the shotgun can get annoying, but that's what ear plugs are for, right?"

I love trap it's definitely one my favorite hobbies as well. And shooting shotguns never really bothered my ears, if anything I like the sound lol. Been doing it for so long now that the 9mm barely even bothers my ears. But when my dad brings out the .38 snub nose... Ear plugs definitely go on for that one lol.

Quote: "The USA is getting too strict on gun owning and ammo sales... It sucks big time, right now is probably the best time to stock up... Since it's only going to get worse."

Well, not to take this to politics, it's what our country voted for last election. All we can do is stock up now though.

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Quote: "Well, not to take this to politics, it's what our country voted for last election. All we can do is stock up now though."


And join the NRA.... That always helps... LOL

But yeah, I don't kill animals unless I have planned consumption... That's just me though.

hahaha, I remember my family stocking up on ammunition back before 2000. Don't ask
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I like how you started with an arguement and now you're talking about guns like old pals . I guess there's a lot to be said for common interests .



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Quote: "And join the NRA.... That always helps... LOL"

Haha I actually just did a couple weeks ago. Same with my dad. I'm also part of the North American Hunting Club. They send me stuff all the time so they're pretty cool haha.

Quote: "But yeah, I don't kill animals unless I have planned consumption... That's just me though. "

That's good though. I shouldn't shoot animals, I just get a happy trigger finger when I see them haha.

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everyone in my school is a n00b i do c++ and modeling and i am a sponsored skateboarder lolz

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Guns are for cowards, swords are where it's at.

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Quote: "Guns are for cowards, swords are where it's at."

Ah but it's so hard to get ammo for swords. I thought you preferred the pen though.

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back on subject, by noob i think he means "gameing" noob (eg. "im the best at games, s*** i died) so before every one starts hitting him with long sticks just think about what he could mean by noob.

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Well yes, but all a pen is good for if throwing ink in their faces and that's only if you have a parker pen, with a biro you're practically screwed.



But whatever he meant, he's not made himself enitrely clear, either way it seems he's looking down at everybody in his school in relation to gaming and/or programming, which isn't fair, given not everybody cares about gaming nor is interesting in programming. People will enjoy themselves while they're young in the best way that suits them and won't necessarily think about their career until their late teens or even later than that. At which stage they'll pick a few courses/classes to suit their interests, which may influence their decision.

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What is it that made this thread?

Arogance or Ignorance?

I wood craft, most the students in my school have never used a plane, the others have used them to hit each other with.

I cut non precious stones for a hobby, the odd precious ones do come in but not often. Anyone seen what i have had pass through my hands would probably mug me.

Thiers one other person 3 school years younger than me who wants to be a l33t modeler, other than that, 1300 students dont know what a vertice is.

Does that make me special? oh wait, i forgot, Thousands if not millions of people do it for a living. Thier are schools deicated to each of these, with students my age most likely more skilled than me.

Put some persective on your own views you might see clearer.

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The reason for my arrogance is....

I am always being bullied at school. People always think I'm "this loser who plays video games all day and has no life". Not only that my parents said "Gaming is a waste of time, you're going to be hopeless in the future".

I was sick of this so I started programming. My parents were a bit happy realizing I was doing something constructive. However nobody at school knew and continued to think I was "the loser who plays video games all day and has no life". It pissed me off, so I decided to use arrogance in order to dominate.

I am still being bullied everyday, people at school are full of sh*t, they don't realize who I am, and then I post this thread thinking somebody would help, and only a few peple understand, while the rest of you are just misunderstanding.

The peopel that anger me most are the kids who just play video games and think they're leet. This kid did actually say he was going to become a game designer and then he says "You are a [censored][censored][censored][censored]" What a jerk. Then recently he told these two kids to f off. He said this:

"I'm popular, f off [name1], f off [name2]. You're all gay"

I still see him talk about Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, but what has he accomplished. nothing but being an ignorant newbie whol is continuously harassing people when he himself is a fool.

Now do you all understand?

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So you were tired of being harassed for being a geek so you become an even bigger geek and then wonder why you're still getting harassed?

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They don't know that I'm programming. I kept it too myself, but I was especially sick of the so-called "computer-savvy kids". They still think i haven't changed. And how can I be a bigger geek, if they think this gamer kid is more leet then I am. Though everybody hates him also.

Ahhhh,... I guess I'll ignore them all when school starts in September. The majority of you fail to understand and are just misunderstanding this.

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Quote: "I am always being bullied at school. People always think I'm "this loser who plays video games all day and has no life". Not only that my parents said "Gaming is a waste of time, you're going to be hopeless in the future".

I was sick of this so I started programming. My parents were a bit happy realizing I was doing something constructive. However nobody at school knew and continued to think I was "the loser who plays video games all day and has no life"."


At that point you should have stopped weighing your self-worth on the opinions of others. If your school was anything like mine, most of the kids' highest aspiration in life is to "get totally wasted and/or hook up with some hot guy/girl." These are not the kind of people whose opinions you should respect enough to feel ashamed of or take action against. You can feel arrogant as you like in your own head and watch the sheep as they go through their paces, knowing that you will most likely be more successful than most of them. Just try to be patient if one of them succeeds in stringing more than 3 words together in an attempt to insult you, and it's probably safe to ignore most of the things they say anyway.

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Yeah thats sort of what kids do. Some of my friends aren't focused on girls, they're focused on owning people on Xbox Live or something.

Who cares if you have a GF/BF? Who cares if you were the most popular kid in school? Nobody, except lamers.

Anyways I'm glad Venge understands, maybe a few others, but the rest of you, ....

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I see. Arrogance is perhaps a terrible way to deal with bullying, it's probably going to make it worse.

Most people grow out of it - some people think they're the bees knees and like to show off, some don't know that they're bullying and think they're only having 'fun', whilst some are genuine a-holes. Some kids like to climb the popularity ladder and bullying is one way of doing it. It's an unfortunate thing about school life.

I too was bullied at school, though not for being a geek as I didn't spend lunchtimes in the computer room nor did anybody know what I did at home...well a few did. The computer kids probably had it worse, but even I disliked them, I didn't bully them, but it's just they were arrogant and quite hostile when you spoke to them. So my first advice would be, drop the arrogance, nobody in this world likes it and arrogant people find themselves at a loss for whatever reason they're arrogant.

I've know kids who think they're 'leet', they're funny more than anything, because you know they're not 'leet', people try to sell themselves for more than what they are. Though there's one word for that 'over-compensation'. Joke about them with your mates and don't let yourself get bothered by them. But they'll probably grow out of it, or mellow out though they don't always.

As for dealing with bullies - I ignored it, or laughed when they made a joke about me, some people grew mature and stopped and realised what kind of person I was and left me alone. Others just persist and I let them have their games. This will probably make you hopeful, but one of the bigger bullies in my school is probably at the end of his 3 years in jail. When I read that in a local newspaper I was jumping for joy. Though I wouldn't know what to advise because everybody is different. I chose to just deal with it, though my regret is that I could have got people off my back if I got in a fight.

On the last 'bully' thread we had the advice was mostly violence. Heck even my parents advised violence when I was at school...though I was never that person at school. Though I'm not going to advise it because you might get the crap kicked out of you and your bullies might respond differently to how mine would have.

You don't need to acknowledge yourself as better, because that's arrogance, some people who you may look down on might grow up to be decent people. The real a-holes will eventually get what's coming to them.

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