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Jeku
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:29
Hey all,

We've had a few Windows 7 Beta threads. My buddy is a TechNet subscriber and he has access to several legal production keys since the final builds were pushed to vendors a few days ago. Well, I've dived in (although still dual-booting with XP).

Surprisingly every app and game I've tried works. Is it possible that a game like Fallout 3 would run *better* on Windows 7 than on XP? Mine seems to be smoother, faster, and better looking.

It will take some time getting used to the new taskbar with the Mac-like pushpin functionality. It's great having a live up-to-date preview of all the windows under a certain group.

I really feel like this is going to win over the hearts of XP afficionados


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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:38
Quote: "I really feel like this is going to win over the hearts of XP afficionados"


Especially with DirectX11 coming to both Vista and Windows 7. Not sure if you've seen the research on it, but DX11 brings some exciting possibilities.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3507

Would you happen to know if the Beta keys will work after the August 20th deadline to download the RC? I downloaded it the other day, hopping to snag it for when I get my new computer in the fall seeing as you don't need to actually purchase Win7 until sometime early 2010.

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I tried RC1 I think, and liked it very much.

I've pre-ordered the Professional version (Got a good deal at £89).

But I have to wait until the 22nd of October, ye jammy bugger!



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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:45 Edited at: 8th Aug 2009 18:48
I'm tempted to buy it on release. I'm running the RC at the moment and haven't used Vista since (I've dual booted alongside Vista) and I actually quite like it - I've not had any trouble running anything - my drivers work, and things are smoother. As for Fallout 3, it runs better for me too. Same for The Last Remnant, though I've not tried any other PC games (except the new Arkham Asylum demo, which seems to heat up my laptop...though I doubt that's a Windows 7 issue) but since buying a 360, then only games I'll be playing on my PC will be PC exclusive titles.

The taskbar I think is really sensible (and doesn't take long to get used to), sure it's Mac like, but it has the best of both worlds I think and the general OS layout is a lot better IMO than previous Windows OS's.


All I can say is 'wow' to the fact that I'm complementing a Windows OS, I was very pessimistic when Vista was close to release, although not perfect, Vista wasn't a problem for me, though Windows 7 is definitely better.

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As for DX11, I looked a little bit into it and it looks like it has some pretty cool features, though it looks like we'll all need to be upgrading our GFX cards again. (Assuming game makers utilise it more the DX10, though with features like tesslation I imagine it being more attractive)

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:47
Quote: "I really feel like this is going to win over the hearts of XP afficionados "


Unless the networking has been significantly changed, I doubt it. Having to access the entire "Networking Center" to get the blasted IP address = Fail

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:57
I can't stand Windows, but I will admit I think the interface on this one looks cool.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 19:01
Quote: "As for DX11, I looked a little bit into it and it looks like it has some pretty cool features, though it looks like we'll all need to be upgrading our GFX cards again."


Only if you want most of the new technology. The older cards will still be able to have DX11, but it's a watered down version that doesn't have the new enhancements, but definitely has some upgrades as well.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 19:04 Edited at: 8th Aug 2009 19:29
I'm also running the RC dual booted alongside Vista. I find the new taskbar easy to use, and I like it better than the old one. I've also been experimenting with 'XP Mode' and booting from VHDs. The booting from VHDs takes a little bit of work to set up, but it seems like it could be useful.

Quote: "Unless the networking has been significantly changed, I doubt it. Having to access the entire "Networking Center" to get the blasted IP address = Fail"


Start+R -> cmd -> ipconfig

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Quote: "Surprisingly every app and game I've tried works. Is it possible that a game like Fallout 3 would run *better* on Windows 7 than on XP? Mine seems to be smoother, faster, and better looking. "


All of the above is true for me on the RC. It's nice, right?



Quote: "Start+R -> cmd -> ipconfig"

You beat me to it.

Personally, I'm in love. I liked Vista, so you can imagine my joy when I booted up Windows 7! I had trouble believing them, but they weren't kidding when they talked about it like Vista 2.0. That's really what it is: Vista, but good.

I pre-ordered Home Premium through Newegg for $50(?). Can't wait to get it in. ^-^

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 19:37
My drivers for my wifi card put a manager in the taskbar tray which displays IP, gateway, ports, etc. on rollover. It'd be nice if this could be extended to every connection, I must admit.

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Quote: "My drivers for my wifi card put a manager in the taskbar tray which displays IP, gateway, ports, etc. on rollover. It'd be nice if this could be extended to every connection, I must admit."


Hmmm...project idea...can I have a screenshot?

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Quote: "I've also been experimenting with 'XP Mode' and booting from VHDs. The booting from VHDs takes a little bit of work to set up, but it seems like it could be useful."



I downloaded XP Mode, but I get this error: "Cannot Start Windows Virtual PC Host...Windows Virtual PC requires hardware-assisted virtualisation. There is no hardware-assisted virtualisation supported in this system".

I find it odd because I can run Virtual PC in Vista, so does XP Mode only work on hardware that supports it? Or is the error wrong?

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 20:12 Edited at: 8th Aug 2009 20:13
I've heard really good things about Win7 from sources I trust. The snappy fast feel of XP with the modern interface of Vista.

I'm waiting for the retail release in October, although I still have the haunting memory of how bad Vista was at release...and man was it ever bad. I've got a feeling Microsoft has been going to great lengths to avoid something like that again though.

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I've been using it for a few months (also dual boot with XP) and really like it. I didn't like Vista at all but my major issues with it - program compatibility, drivers, slow file transfer and file permissions - seems to have been fixed with W7. I now use W7 exclusively and will buy the full version soon.

It seems they may have got this one right.

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It probably seems like a small thing, but I've just plugged in an external monitor into my laptop and customising it wasn't a pain in the butt at all. Normally I find one configuration causes a problem. The settings are all in a sensible place and whilst it's a small thing, it'll save time setting my laptop up for when I need to do any presentations.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 20:26
Virtualisation under 7 is more hardware accelerated than Vista's solution. The overhead has been greatly reduced. However, as a result, it requires hardware features in the CPU often found in AMD CPUs.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 20:32
I see, so it's not so common in Intel CPUs? Oh well, though I suppose it means I'll be nabbing the cheaper version of Windows 7 instead.

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I'm dual booting Win7 and OS X, and can't decide which one I want to spend most of my time in. I think it'll end up being OS X, but Win7 is fast and really nice. I like it SO much better than other Windows iterations.

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Quote: "I see, so it's not so common in Intel CPUs? Oh well, though I suppose it means I'll be nabbing the cheaper version of Windows 7 instead"


My Intel Core 2 CPU supports hardware virtualization, but I had to enable it in the BIOS. There's a small program that could be downloaded to check for hardware virtualization support, but I can't find it right now.

I find the booting from VHD better though, if you don't need to be able to access both OS's at the same time. This is the guide I followed to set up a Windows 7 VHD that I could boot from (see below), but a similar method should work with other OSs as well (as long as Windows 7 is installed).

It's like dual booting, except you don't need to partition your harddrive, but you take a slight performance hit in harddrive speed (since its virtualized)

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/StepByStepTurningAWindows7DVDOrISOIntoABootableVHDVirtualMachine.aspx

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Using the RC now and don't plan on going back to xp.

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Using the RC1 right now, and I do plan on going back to good ol xp, oh yes I do.
All down to money issues obviously.

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I'm really not surprised almost everyone here has taken a liking to it.

Another thing that amazed me is that I plugged in an ancient webcam that used to give me troubles in XP (blue screens, driver issues), and it just worked. I didn't have to install a driver, didn't have to go to any foreign websites, and didn't have to mess with settings. Plug and play has definitely come a long way since Windows 95!


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Quote: "Start+R -> cmd -> ipconfig"


...versus two clicks in XP to achieve the same thing. So my point is still there.

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I still don't see any reason to upgrade from XP though.

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Quote: "I still don't see any reason to upgrade from XP though."


Very true. I don't think there is anything good enough in it to pay for an upgrade for the sake of upgrading. It's just nice to know that when it gets to be time for a new computer, your not going to be stuck with Vista.

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Quote: "Very true. I don't think there is anything good enough in it to pay for an upgrade for the sake of upgrading. It's just nice to know that when it gets to be time for a new computer, your not going to be stuck with Vista."


It was worth it when they had the upgrade for $50.

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Quote: "...versus two clicks in XP to achieve the same thing. So my point is still there."


Advanced users don't use the mouse.

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Quote: "versus two clicks in XP to achieve the same thing. So my point is still there."


And that means Windows 7 is a fail? Because it takes you slightly longer to get your computer's IP address?


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Quote: "Quote: "...versus two clicks in XP to achieve the same thing. So my point is still there."

Advanced users don't use the mouse."


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But seriously, it doesn't really matter. The Control Panel in Win7 is great (especially compared to Vista), and I really had no idea how much Windows has evolved until I used XP on a different computer for the first time in awhile. It was an eye-opener: so many improvements have been made.

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Quote: "And that means Windows 7 is a fail? Because it takes you slightly longer to get your computer's IP address?"
Absolutely! I mean come on people, you really want me to click twice?


I'm going to be a noob, but after reading everyone's comments I want to try Windows 7. Where can I find it to download? Also Can you install it on a partition or is it best to install it on a separate hard drive?

One last question, this is the full version right? The only catch is you need to buy a license key by March 2010?

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Quote: "Where can I find it to download?"


It depends: the RC may not still be available (though product keys are, so you could torrent the RC's iso).

Quote: "Can you install it on a partition or is it best to install it on a separate hard drive?"


A partition will work fine. I, for instance, upgraded my Vista Home Premium installation. No partitioning necessary.

Quote: "One last question, this is the full version right? The only catch is you need to buy a license key by March 2010?"


No, it is the Release Candidate. It's a few builds away from final (though it feels 100% finished, trust me).

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No, it is the Release Candidate. It's a few builds away from final (though it feels 100% finished, trust me)."


Yeah, seems done to me. But you've got to re-install it when you want the complete version. I think RC1 expires sometime in March or June next year. Be sure to backup before then.

Win 7 is my only OS, and I haven't got any complaints so far. Every program I have tried is compatible, and I love it.


Quote: "Another thing that amazed me is that I plugged in an ancient web-cam that used to give me troubles in XP (blue screens, driver issues), and it just worked."


The same thing happened to a friend of mine. I wonder if that would still work if auto driver updates were disabled (like on my computer).

I do find the taskbar a bit annoying sometimes. For instance, when I have multiple MSN conversations open and have to hover my mouse on the icon to switch back and forth between windows. Otherwise, I think it's pretty sweet.

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Looks like you can still download it:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx

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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 12:45
Quote: "I'm going to be a noob, but after reading everyone's comments I want to try Windows 7. Where can I find it to download? Also Can you install it on a partition or is it best to install it on a separate hard drive?

One last question, this is the full version right? The only catch is you need to buy a license key by March 2010?"


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/default.aspx

I installed onto a partition and it works fine, no clashes with Vista or anything.

It is the full version of Ultimate and you'll need to buy the licensed version if you want to use it after the RC stops working (around March like you said) I think you'd have to uninstall the RC, unless it lets you upgrade, I don't know if it'll let you do that.

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I heard that midi doesn't work in W7. can one of you who has it confirm whether this is true or not or was that just with one of the RC versions I was reading about ?

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I just loaded a midi in WMP and it worked.

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Quote: "I heard that midi doesn't work in W7"


You may be thinking of the old style game port / MIDI port, which isn't supported any more by Win7 (but that was the case for Vista as well)

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Quote: "You may be thinking of the old style game port / MIDI port, which isn't supported any more by Win7 (but that was the case for Vista as well)"


Which is understandable because Win7 is built on Vista base. I see Microsoft is still using registry

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Quote: "I see Microsoft is still using registry "


Because no one would mind that all their programs don't run on Windows 7...

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If Max 9 works ill bite, Vista wouldnt let me use it no matter what i tried. Though that was when it was first released.

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Quote: "Because no one would mind that all their programs don't run on Windows 7..."


Make virtual registry for applications that needs them. I dunno about you guys, but i find it funny how every release of Windows you need better hardware and what you get? Features? No i don't think so. At least Win7 is lower requirement than Vista. But i guess it still has same quirks as it is based on Vista.

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I have the full version

My dad is a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner (he owns a computer company). And hes an msdn subscriber. So I get it all for free!

W7 is great!

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Got my copy from MSDN. Although I've been using the beta and RC full time all year anyway. I tend not to run old software though, just Visual Studio and Office mainly, so not had any problems.

It is also beautifully fast on my SSD drive

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Quote: "But i guess it still has same quirks as it is based on Vista."


Not really. Not the horribly annoying ones, anyway.

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Quote: "I see Microsoft is still using registry"


You think a virtual registry would work? What if the software is scanning for other registry keys besides its own?

EDIT:

Quote: "I dunno about you guys, but i find it funny how every release of Windows you need better hardware and what you get? Features? No i don't think so."


And Linux distros have always fit on a single floppy diskette? The features vs. hardware jump is pretty similar across the other OS' as far as I can tell. They always copy off each other and in turn the hardware needs to be increased. Sure they're not EQUAL in size to each other, but their growth levels have been similar.


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Im still on beta but I will definatelly get it once it comes out in October.All apps work for me too except Destruction Derby 1 and Nascar 200 Age old games.

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Quote: "At least Win7 is lower requirement than Vista"

thats good news , I put the pc I owned that had vista on it in the closet for spare parts but may have to pull it out now and try this as the only things that seemed to work well on it for me was dbp , microsoft works, the calculator, and that wonderful little circle that constantly popped up going round and round(and round). IE would always lock on it as well so it wasn't good for much of anything other than taking space.

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The only reason I would upgrade to Windows 7 is if it features better compatibility with older games.
Jeku, what's the oldest game you have been able to run?
Have you tried Dungeon Keeper (the first one)?
If it is compatible with games like Silent Hill 2, I very well may think about it.
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@Dextro - I haven't installed any old games yet, but if DOSBOX works it should run most DOS games. As for early Windows-era games, I haven't tried them yet. You can always go through the virtual XP mode if your hardware supports it.


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Yes, it's got very good compatibility, I installed a game on it called Airxonix which is an old windows game. This game didn't run on XP with my hardware, but it ran perfectly on Win7!

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I can't seem to run an old game called "Exterminator" in DOSBOX. This is the first time I've used it, so I'm kinda noob.

This is what I typed, though:



On version .73 it just crashes and gives this error:



And on .61 which reportedly works with this game, it just doesn't do anything. After I type "C:EX>exterm.exe" and hit enter, it doesn't allow me to type, but that's all it does.

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