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Beavis
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Hello,
I started work on DBP IDE because IDE which is shipped with DBP have bugs.

Current version is still in developmnet but now I have some nice features done. I will be happy if you give me wishlist, what you want in new IDE.
Thanks...

DONE :
-creating / opening / saving projects
-managig multiple source files
-help system (30%)
-color syntaxing
-unlimited undo
-intellisense (25%}


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Excellent and about time someone got around to doing business. One nice but maybe difficult feature I'd like: Autocomplete Keywords or Types so when you have:

Test As Type
Arg1 As Integer
Arg2 As Integer
EndType

And the user types Test. then Arg1 and Arg2 will popup in a dropdown box. You see this in apps like Dreamweaver and Visual Basic, but again, it might be a bit difficult lol.

"Computers are useless they can only give you answers."
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Yes, I work on it, but I call it as "Intellisense" as is called by Microsoft.

It will autocompete uncompleted keywords, for example :
you write MAKE DI and editor autocomplete it to MAKE DIRECTORY
also I want to that you write MAKE and then press some key combination and there is displayed all command begining with MAKE and last feature will be what you wrote, so
Test. and there you can chose from all member variables.
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i have some!!!!

fold/unfold function works bad (if you fold your function, then you unfold it, you can't edit your function!!!!)

Attach media: you can attach only one media file where you are in the dialogue box. Can attach the entire directory or a file list???

Font type: only monospaced fonts??? can use "Normal" fonts??

i hope you understand my bad english.

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I don't know if I include fold/unfold because in VisualStudio products there isn't this feature and I don't think that it have some purpose. I prefer use more DBA files related to one problem that use one big DBA and use fold/unfold.

Attach more media at once? Yes good idea.
Fonts - I include option in configuration of editor to chose font and font-size.

Thanks for tips!
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Search searchs through all files in the project
Sort files in name order.
If your doing a variable and label list, make sure you can sort them in order.
Matching IF/ENDIF REPEAT/UNTIL DO/LOOP etc commands


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Posted: 29th Aug 2003 13:29 Edited at: 29th Aug 2003 14:31
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Very nice has inspired me to get coding

I've managed to load keyword files but my problem is mhy syntax highlight takes a.g.e.s. (it has about 82kb worth of text file to parse - about 5,000 commands to run through?)

Dis you write this in VB? If so, how did you gt the quick highlight?

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Just leave it up to guy man.

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I don't use VB. I use VisualFoxPro so I store some data in databases and cursors for filtering, sorting etc. I have in plan very dynamic help system so i need fast access to data.
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Posted: 29th Aug 2003 15:33 Edited at: 29th Aug 2003 15:34
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Ah, so is the UI made in foxpro too?

I have foxpro I just never understood its significance with other DB apps like access around.

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I don't think we'll be seeing him any time soon...

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VFP is great tool for database apps and also have great command for work with strings. I write whole IDE in VFP and use VFP database as store medium. Actually i finished first version of toolbar and now I work on safer saving rutines.
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Well congratulations. What's the syntax like? What language do you code in?

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I too would love to have folding functions, it is a quick and handy way of working within your program, being able to see the entire code layout at a glance, then open just the function(s) I wish to change. It is a fallback to my AMOS Pro programming days. The current system auto-unfolds at the earliest opportunity and places your cursor where-ever it feels like.

Another nice feature of the AMOS Pro editor that I really miss is the ability to create a keyboard macro - that is a sequence of keypressed boung to a Ctrl-key.

I would also like to disable F6 as I don't use the debugger, but sometimes press it by accident when going for F5. Minor, but annoying - I would like to be able to turn it off.

I would like a 'simpler' find/replace tool, the DBPro editor one has too many options and forces me to work slower when using it. Most of the options are superflous. Also if you search through for references to a certain word the search text changes on you and you have to type your search again - even though you have already told it what you actually want to search for! The current editor has this sooooooooo wrong, I hate it!

I would like to select entire directories for media addition also, the current system takes an hour just to find out your .exe crashes. I am not sure if this is a problem in the compiler or the current editor, but there are many many problems with attaching media. Drag and drop might be nice

Being able to specify the file properties of the .exe and the icon would be nice too.

Auto-indent selected/entire code feature would be nice, not for me I do it naturally, but for other people to use when they want me to read it! *looks at brother*

The final feature would be a real boon - and not too bad as a second option if we can't have folding functions - that is the ability to open multiple .dba files at once in a daughter window that we can resize so we can put multiple source code onscreen - if you do this *PLEASE* dont inhibit support for a second monitor. The current editor allows multiple .dba files to be opened (but only if you know how) but you are restricted to having one onscreen - also the error reporting for include files is way off making them hard to debug and not a 'natural' process for DB programming.

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What-ever issues Guy has have been effecting us all for too long. I wish him well but really we do have to move on.

The compiler is pretty robbust and stable these days but the IDE has had only superficial changes since it's buggy state at launch.

I applaud this new attempt at an editor, and hope to be able to try it soon.

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how about a project "tree"
PROJECT
|-Main Loop
|-functions--¬
|gap gap gap |-Distance()
|gap gap gap |-zoneclicked()
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|-Sub Routines--¬
gap gap gap gap |-Startup

Its what i have always wanted
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Some versioning system would be handy to, especially for group collaberation.


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Beavis I see you are using CodeSense there

I've managed to get the highlighting wrking in CodeSense but I haven't manged to get my head around the intellisense bit yet

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Please can you include TABS in your IDE Beavis? - I find they make for much easier navigation between files. See a screenshot of any Blitz IDE if you are not sure of what I mean.


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(sorry if this is stealing your thunder) but i've managed to get tabs into an MDI ide I was making for fun.

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OK, here is new pic :
http://www.haback.net/js/img/dbp/030901.jpg

News :
- unlimited TABS for unlimited files in project added
- toolbar added
- quick goto function added
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News :
- you can run multiple instances of IDE and open other projects
- multiple help windows (in each window you can look at other help file)
- help windows runs as standalone app for ALT-TAB switching
- help fully integrated into IDE - search by keywords, filtering, search by code type and search by chpaters of help.
- printing of sourcecode
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And new pic...
http://www.haback.net/js/img/dbp/030902.jpg

Now I will work on project configuration and settings and on integration with compiler and then I will work on wishlist which I created from your sugestions.
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Looking good.


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Please consider adding the option to force declaration of variables. I am always debugging my poor typing or is it my memory.. I forget

When are you estimating releasing the Beta version? I would like to participate in testing if feel you need it

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How did you get thje list of functions? My idea would be to search for the word "function", then grab the word after it, unfortunately sometimes for readbility people type things like:

function print_new(text as string)

where the function name would only be "print_new(text" and the rest of the parameters would be lost. Also, how are you determining if something is a commment or code? the fact that comments can begin half way though a line sort of messes things up

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@David

With the functions, get the name (read until you encounter a bracket character), then get the parameters (read until you encounter a close-bracket character).

As for comments, just check throught the line first, and if REM appears as a word on its own, or the ` character appears (outside of quotes), then the characters after that should be ignored by the parser.


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A feature I would like is allowing you to select different compilers so it would be easyer to make a kind of pre-processor and switch between different ones and the normal compiler.
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how about numbering lines?

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OK, i plan release first version for testing, so now I look for someone who is interested and want to cooperate with me on development of new IDE as tester. But I still need help with compiler. Now I call it as application but i'd like to have some response from it as in original IDE for showing progress bar etc.

DAVID > I search for each function word and grab name as all characters to ( and function list as all between ()

THE_WINCH > Yes, its good idea. Sometimes someone need compile in patch 4 compiler, someone in patch 5 etc. I include this in config.

FroggermonSSE> I dont see any point in numbering lines, because current DBP is more procedural language. And also there is function goto line. But I include turn-on linenumbering option in config.
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I might be able to give you the right info for getting feedback from the compiler ... I'll locate it and post it here for you later today.
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DAVID > I search for each function word and grab name as all characters to ( and function list as all between ()

Thanks for the info. I realised that just after posting now off to find labels.

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IanM> I will be happy if you post this info here. Thanks...
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here are somethings that i'd like to see:
- opening a project opens all files in the project, sorted by last saved date so that what you were working on last is at the front of the list
- line numbers are a good thing: the compiler gives you a line number when you get an error
- the preprocessor idea is a good one, but you should just create a config screen that allows you to select an exe, set the command-line params and then set the order of execution for the exes. this allows any number of scenarios to happen...ie: when you get into a dev cycle you could have it run the compilers for your levels so that your current maps are always included in the build. it's a batching system, effectively
- the project tree is a great idea, grouped by project, file and then the list of types and functions. double-plus good. even better would be to double click on an item and jump to it in your code
- function collapsing is extremely handy. i, too, use several source files, effectively mimicing classes. however, a 'class' for a core game type can easily run 600-1000 lines, which gets tricky to navigate

cheers and good luck. any other oldtimers feeling 'dirty' about thinking of using this

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@Beavis:

Here's the info for you, almost straight from the horses mouth (or Guys at least )

Quote: "On the command line, you pass the name of the temporary project file saved in the temp folder

During the compilation, the IDE monitors for termination of the compiler process

The compiler stores current line compilation messages in a filemapped file called DBPROEDITORMESSAGE that is mapped to the swap file

During compilation, you can update the status bar from the contents - it is a 4 byte integer that is updated by the compiler.

If there is an error, the compiler broadcasts WM_USER+0 message to forms with a class name of TDBPROEDITOR. If it appears, you can open the filemap and pull out the string that was stored in the filemap. You can then parse the string for a line number, then open the offending source file, highlight the line number reported, and pop up the error message."
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Hmm.. that strikes me as unnecesserily complicated. Why doesn't the compiler just write to a text file which could be stored in the \Compiler\ folder? - then the IDE could just open the file after the compiler terminated and check for error reports. The compiler would delete & recreate the file on each compile.


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filemaps are actually relatively easy to work with...guy uses them extensively with the ide (it's how plugins work) and there's plenty of sample code lying around. i've posted 4 or 5 plugins with source and c++ code in the forums over at RGT which anyone can feel free to grab (ie. beavis).

on the otherhand, a programmable interface to the compiler would be much more slick, with proper error handling classes that returned api-defined object collections with the proper info.

mmmm...proper info.

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Rob, it does that too. If you compile a program with an error in it you'll find a file called 'ErrorReport.txt' in the DBPro temp folder. It's not deleted on a successful compile, so you'd have to do that yourself before you call the compiler.

The filemap is also useful for getting the status information that Guy has used in the 'Building executable' progress bar too.
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Thanks for informing me on that


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wow its going to be hard to choose which one to use.

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I know - well, I would go for a more Visual Studio-type program myself...


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OK, thanks for informations. I was one day away so I will now work harder through weekend to finish unfinished work. I would like to release first betaversion on Monday. If is there someone who is interested to test this IDE, please write me mail at martin@insico.cz or write it here. I will be happy if I found at least 3 testers (experienced programmers in DBP) who will use my IDE and report me bugs and suggestions for improvements.
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I'd love to help you test it
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i'm in...let me know. sending you email

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I'd love to beta test it as well


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Well, there you go then. There's your 3 experience programmers already
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OK, I will contact you at Monday morning. I'm curently away from my computer.
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funny how the three experienced programmers are using cartoons and muppets as avatars...surely portraying an aura of professionalism for the Beave.

looking forward to your email, Beavis.

i have to admit, though, if you can post messages to the forum when you're not at your computer, you've got me beat!

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On weekend I visited my parents, so I wrote from fathers computer, not from my own. So I can't work on IDE. Now I'm fully working on it.
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OK, betas uploaded and send to my cartoons testers.
Remember that this version is still at early stage and I need test if app start corectly on your system etc.

TESTERS> please dont distribute beta-versions. Thanks.
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@Beavis

Hmm, I haven't received it. Sometimes large files bounce when you try to send them to me@robert-knight.net. Can you try sending it to jimknight@email.com instead?


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I'll be sending a nice large set of program problems (mainly screenshots soon).


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