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David R
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With all the input and file functions DB has it could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I have successfully creatred a zoo virus (A virus for reasearch that is never used on 'real-world' PC's) it has disasterous affects on PC's - so what would happen if someone like a pro virus guy starting making some - who would get the blame. Not sayin that these functions should be removed - but what would happen?
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LOL.. gotta be the first virus ever written that requires DirectX 9 installed

Are you going to add some sphere mapping as it tries to erase c:\windows?

"Damn, my FPS rate really sucks when I'm wiping peoples hard drives.. can you help?"

Sorry but this is quite amusing. Just because a language has a file delete command doesn't mean you could create SoBig2 in it.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 17:59 Edited at: 9th Sep 2003 18:00
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Its one reason why my e-mail plug-in wont allow automatic sending (and just relies on the user having to press the send button), which reduces the chances of people creating a virus that goes through e-mails without anyone knowinf. Trying to use the MAPI system directly would be too much hard work to do that sort of thing would be way too much trouble (especially as pointers to functions are needed).


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In the wrong hands QuickBasic could be lethal.

In the wrong hands a ballpoint pen could be lethal.

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Quote: "gotta be the first virus ever written that requires DirectX 9 installed "


What, you mean DirectX9 isn't a virus?

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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 20:47
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Quote: "What, you mean DirectX9 isn't a virus"

Of course not, its a useful system. Badly designed, but useful.


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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 20:51
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i made a virus in bb once

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Virus's made with DB?
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It should be: "Viruses made with DB?"

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A virus in db could be harmfull... I mean imagine how many db/dbpro users there are, then imagine how much damage a virus could do to them. And whos to say it would be harmfull? Just a few lines of code could create a highly effective 'spying' virus alot of secrets projects could be ripped off...

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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 23:22
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Quite effective

c:/dos
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 12:47
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Why is there always somebody in the bunch that likes to commit evil acts using good technology that we all can use for creativity. It's a shame, but I guess we have to be more vigilante and on the look out for stuff like this.
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Why does this topic keep showing up? It must be at least the third time!
Quote: "...so what would happen if someone like a pro virus guy starting making some..."

Actually, a "pro virus guy" would NEVER use a language such as DB for virus writing. Sure, DB has lots of "dangerous" functions, but:
1) The compiled file size is too big. Viruses should be extremely small to be more effective. Ever heard of the tiny virus? It doesn't even have 20kb!
2) Some functions that are good for making viruses are not available because DB is for GAMES! You can't use encription on your own code, you can't search the memory for open files/programs, etc.
3) Because of the system requirements (Direct x) it won't have much of an advantage when it comes to spreading.
4) To my knowledge, you can't hide a DB program from the task bar. It would really suck if some one simply closed your virus because it was taking up 50% of the CPU.
5) Most importantly: almost ANY programming language you get is capable of a simple virus. QuickBasic and JavaScript are examples of this.

A "Pro virus guy" would use languages such as assembler (in the old days), C++, VB, or VBScript. I'd recomend the first. And something most people apparently don't know about viruses: most do NOT go around deleting stuff. Especialy in "C:\Windoze". If they did, the PC would stop functioning, the virus would go down with it, and would never get to spread to other PCs.

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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 18:13
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Quote: "I'd recomend the first"


You do eh?

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@Hamish McHaggis: What's that supposed to mean?

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Thinks of the evil things assembly can do
listen to TKF15H they know what they are talking about. oh and yer why does this post always come up? i think its clueless newbies seeing if they can make viruses with DB (note i did NOT call the person who made this post a clueless newbie i was refering to whole subject always comeing up thing)

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DB is no more dangerous than C++ or even a copy of windows explorer.

Most common languages have a file delete function.

c:/dos
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 23:02
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Hey I had a similar thread to this and im not a newbie (tho clueless does apply)

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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 23:05
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And a DB virus could be succesfull if someone built it into a game, Dx9 would be a requirement, it wouldn't require sneaky ways of getting onto someones computer and even if someone did think something was going on you could always deny that you put the code in...

(BTW I realise that this may sound as if I have thought about this alot, I haven't lol)

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the only thing remotly connected to stuff like this that db cud possibley be god at is a form of spyware in a game and even this would suck because you would need to know the ip then youd need to know if they were online. Seriously DB could be used to make the crapest virus in the world. but any programing language can mak virus. And no profeessional virus maker would ever consider using db as a virus maker. any profesional virus maker already knows DOS, C++ and VB6. and how to manipulate it to do stupid things. also you probably wouldnt get very far without dx 9. plus the size of the exe would make it quite hard to carry around. Dark basic can in theory be used for a virus. but quite frankly it would be one of the biggest jokes in history.
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Posted: 11th Sep 2003 00:15
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@TKF15H: It just sounded like you were giving guidence to others who want to make viruses, like you were some virus guy... thats all.

Brains are for idiots.

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i think TKF15H was recommending assembly for programming something like that as it has a lot of commands that work at low levels of the pc so you can do much more destructive things with it. Any assmebly programmer would know that it could totally destroy a computer.

Oh and sorry killswitch i dint mean 2 say u were a clueless newbie either i was just pointing out that its probably because of newbies that there are so many posts about DB viruses i wasnt saying everyone who made a post like this was a clueless newbie.

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I said assembly would be good in the old days. Back in DOS or Windoze 3.11. those were the times that viruses infected thru a floppy disc. Today, it'd be hard to explore the new infection methods (E-mail mostly) with assembler. And nobody uses diskets any more so a virus would have to propagate through the internet. When it does so, it's no longer a virus but a worm.

It's interesting how this kind of post keeps showing up...

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Yeesh! It was just a joke .

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Quote: "Yeesh! It was just a joke"

I know. I'm not angry.

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Batch files (.bat) can delete files too! OMG! Someone's going to make a .bat file that deletes everything and (somehow) spreads itself! OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! </12 year old AOLer>
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haha
The only thing a batch file can infect is another batch file. There aren't many of those any more.

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Don't worry Hell Forged Angel, I know you weren't (though it would hardly be a lie if you dide )

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Quote: "</12 year old AOLer> "


if this was meant to be a skit on html, the tags are wrong!

no offense

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Yes but the viruses you all are describing actually need to be launched, and it's more of a malicious file than a virus.
It is hardly the kind of virus that installs itself just cause you are connected to the internet for example.
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Are you sure you wrote a virus and not just a harmful program? I don't believe DB has the ability to make a real virus.
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This whole thread just cracks me up.
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Hi,

I just figured out why all those Free New Game's that come in my email never work. It must be because I dont have DX9 on my laptop. I wish I knew what file compressor they used to get 5M down to 150k.

I vote we close this thread and add it to the off topic filter.

Its my opinion that any Language/OS/Hardware can be used to create and/or propagate a virus/trojan/destructive program, and discussing the advantage/disadvantage/howto in a public game programmer forum is the wrong thing to do.

If your a Game Programmer the thing you should be thinking about is how to create a MultiMillion dollar game that cant be hacked by a 3rd party and used to your disadvantage.

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Now if a thread doesn't interest me I just ignore that thread
Try doing the same
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Quote: "If your a Game Programmer the thing you should be thinking about is how to create a MultiMillion dollar game that cant be hacked by a 3rd party and used to your disadvantage."

Talking about hacking, does any one here bother to make their codes harder to crack? I've allways made freeware stuff so I've never even thought about it...

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erm making it harder to "hack"??? i think u mean crack mate. i havent acctully tried anything but i have thought of several ways that could work to make memory scanning harder etc
im not bothered about people copying my stuff (or even reverse engeneering it) i just like to play about with security cause im a hacker....yes *HACKER* not *CRACKER* befor you all flame me with all the ethics rubbish

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why did I say hack? I meant crack. How silly of me...

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lol you did say crack it was the swdave that said hacked

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yeah, him too...

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Who ever thinks a virus like this cant work: I have one. It has a dll in it that allows it to send emails. It is in Screensaver format (Like SOBIG_F) and could easily be sent to someone like a spam email with some kind of attachment AND: I use just plain DB, so it only needs DX7. LOADS of people have DX7!! So what says that it cant work! Just so you know I will NEVER allow this virus on any other computer (It looks for a file on mine so that it does not affect it) and it was purely for experimental purpose. The name: WHOPPER3264.scr
and also creates the file: ^^^.^^^^ on the desktop.

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It's funny, but also worrisome for newbies to DB. I have already decided not to download anything but source code, no exe files unless they are extremely "trustable". What's the general attitude toward exe files around here? Do you use extreme caution or not?
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No requests for cracks anyone...


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Making viruses in DBClassic is VERY simple, its just a matter of the file size like has been previously mentioned. The bigger the file, the harder it is to reproduce and infect other users.

Though this may be a restriction, i personly, for experimental reasons, created a virus in DB that i bundled into my exe for a game that i have created which can easily be given to friends, or others to download via my web site www.JessTicular.tk

The virus can infect during install and then can be deleted by the user but will reinfect each time the game is run.

the viruses possbble with DBClassic are endless, because it can be used to make other types of viruses, eg. a *.bat file that whipes the computer clean, or the exe of a trojan as part of a multiplater game which could be made undetectable by antiviruses...

Though, DB is not the only compiler for making viruses, it has already been stated that other programs such as C++ etc are good for it too, much better in fact, so DB might not be the best way of creating viruses, lets just stick to game creation...

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Thats all a load of crap... just ignore this post, i didnt know what i was talking about...

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why would you want to make one anyway. you probally would end up getting busted if someone cracked it

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this is like the 6th thread on makin viruses with db..

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With the network functions could you even do a sort of backdoor thing? By the way visual basic can make much worse stuff, because it is not optimized for game programing, so dark basic may be easy, but it isn't likley that anyone will make anything that cannot be done better with something else.

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moo

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scary door....

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@JessTicular

Quack

And if Quizz's are quizzical then tests are testing!



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Haha, nice reply...

and a very good answer to my question...

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What else would you expect?

Now if only someone can prove my sig wrong...

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