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3 Dimensional Chat / WereWolf WIP

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Ian T
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 17:09
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'Mouse:Weren't you there ON THE IRC channel the morning I took the request for Kent about 3 weeks ago???...'

I doubt it. If I was, I was AFK. I could check my log, but I don't feel like sorting through a megabyte of text right now.

'I showed this photo amongst other for what I was going to inspire from to at least 10 people on the chat room.'

And? Regardless of that, when you showcased it here as your own work, you did not say it was 'inspired' by anything, you said it was your work, your idea. You can tell your family that you really took your new invention's idea and system from the guy next door, but that won't matter when you try to take it to the patent office ahead of him.

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Kentaree
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Yes, Actarus posted up the links to a number of reference images he was going to go by and that was indeed one of them, so where you got the concept from that he just stole it without a mention is eluding me.

I would be unstoppable if I could just get started...
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Kentaree
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 17:13
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Damn, you posted at the same time as me. Mouse, announcing it on an irc channel with at least 10+ users is a little different from telling your family. Also, until I actually use the model, it's private art, and honestly, how much different would you expect this to look in your idea of a werewolf?

I would be unstoppable if I could just get started...
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Simple
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 17:38
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Well...... the same could be said for a minotaur, BUT >> I have made one ... DarkMATTER has one ... even Indi has made one.

AND THEY ALL LOOK DIFFERENT

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WindTech
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 17:58
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Ya know what, Simple started this sh*t, and I couldn't care less, its just not possible.
My thought after reading some of this not that you should care... I find it very sad that the only post on the page labled as a hot-topic is flamebait; Go do something useful...

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Ian T
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 18:27 Edited at: 1st Oct 2003 18:36
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'how much different would you expect this to look in your idea of a werewolf?'

There are many different unique takes on werewolves all over the place. I repeat, actarus' model-- or is it even his?-- is virtually exactly the same right down to the individual polygons. Look at the shapes of the faces, they are just about identical.


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Okay, not identical, I admit it . I still think this is blatent plagiarism, but I'm withdrawing as I don't have anything more to add.

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actarus
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 20:42
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'Copying poly by poly'....Now that just shows how little idea you have about the creation of a character

How about Simple's tutorial who tells you to 'get a bodybuilder picture' over the internet and paint over it?


Give me a break.

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Simple
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 21:23
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It doesn't tell you to get someone elses already made model of a bodybuilder and try to copy it though does it ?

If it was a photo of a warewolf then it would be different ..... But it's not, It's already someones created artwork. Why do you think people use photo's and sketches to model from, AND NOT other peoples models

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TigerZ
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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 22:55
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i dont get it, a werewolf is a werewolf, when i put the image side by side, it doesnt look that similar. If i was to make a werewolf, it probably woulve ended up looking like that either way, everyone pretty much have the same idea of how a werewolf looks like.

so does it mean he copied the model? or did he just use it as a reference.
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actarus
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 00:54
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You know simple,if that mockery doesn't cease,I'll have to remedy to it because I'm not affraid of to go bump up that thread on polycount.com and have a talk with 'SumGuy' and the rest of the gang out there...

You wouldn't look that good then would ya?Unless your idiot enough to think that guy actually has copyright on a pose.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 01:15
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oki i've spoken to Rich about this thread already, but i'm going to say 2 things.

a) Acturus isn't trying to retail his model, and although it may look similar to the posted model oftenly this comes from the use of similar concepts. And perhaps you may believe that this is just because of a lack of originality or whatever, however Acturus is doing this for the benifit of learning better modelling and when you already have a decent peice of work to aim towards this shows that his visual accuity is actually very good for an artist.
If he was to try and pass off the work as his own and original, then there would be a problem however the fact of the matter is it is simply a learning experience.
they both used totally different modeling programs, and you will find that most artists don't mind this sort of behaviour.

b) on the otherhand we have your blatented theft of acclaim for a piece of work you did not create. There is a huge difference between recreating someone elses work as close as possible, and claming credit for something you did not do.

sorry but the position on this is quite clear, as Act did not claim anything other than the shown work as his own then really what is the difference between what he has done and someone who recreates say a Glock17 as a model?
you have a reference picture as the base sure, but the actual results to accuracy depend on the artists skill.

i don't see a problem with this, and i can bet you that no-one on polycount would either. It is a good recreation, but thats all it is a recreation not plagerism.

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Simple
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however Acturus is doing this for the benifit of learning better modelling
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Funny ! I thought he said it was for a client

As for the rest ... I’ll digitally document my whole 2D port folio one day dating back to the 80’s and shut some of you up once and for all

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actarus
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 06:28
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Don't forget the drawing and signing them

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actarus
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 06:30
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I didn't use the said photo in the viewport nor did I inspire myself of his mesh for anything,in fact I had never even seen the flat shaded one before 'scared simple' there came up with the pics,I only made a werewolf head model first,then made quick human body and stitched them together,explaining the looks on the first WIP picture I posted...The only thing confusing both of you is the pose which is identical.

Plus,I wasn't gonna go with that ugly flat-nosed werewolf style ala holwings,but you see,this was all discussed the day I took the request in the chat room.


Face it,that's the most classical interpretation of a werewolf and no one has copyrights over animal looks wether real or mystic.

It's a freakin' dog's head on a human's body man,wake UP!ROTFL

You've reached a new low simple.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 08:10
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Quote: "Funny ! I thought he said it was for a client"


Quote: "I wasn't gonna go with that ugly flat-nosed werewolf style ala holwings,but you see,this was all discussed the day I took the request in the chat room."


Client infers that money is involved as i a "paying job".
Don't twist facts to your own benifit just to make pot shots

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as for the model, quite honestly i didn't look close enough and i'm not going to to check for differeces.
To me they looked very similar ... but then they both look remarkibly like the Black&White wolf, which in tern looks just like the one from Zelda.

Acturus made his model from scratch, perhaps it visual base was something else maybe it wasn't - unless he actually used someone else mesh or is claiming someone elses work as his own, then what exactly is the problem?

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Simple read the AUP, then i'd strongly suggest you think LONG and HARD about if you want to actually stay around here.
If you do then start acting like it, as behaviour like just won't be tolerate for long.

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Kentaree
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 12:20
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Actarus made the model for me royalty-free, and its going to be used in a freeware (open-source even) game.

I would be unstoppable if I could just get started...
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Simple
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 13:17
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Quote from LLRGT

Quote: "
At first I wanted to give a Holwings-like face,but the client just wants a generic werewolf,vicious and mean looking...
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Quote: "
Froggermon:thanks and ya I'll probably end up doing that but I need to check with the client's preferences.
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Quote: "
Client infers that money is involved as i a "paying job".
Don't twist facts to your own benifit just to make pot shots
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Well I didn't think I was twisting the fact so I could make pot shots .... maybe you should get yours right first.

Like I said ... I thought this was for a client, And that's because he was talking about a client. Didn't know it was just for some internet friend.

Maybe saying it was for a client made him feel important ? I don't know, niehter do I care really.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 16:12
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blah blah, how you getting on with the texturing Actarus?
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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 17:46
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well I like most here don't visit RGT, and don't intend to ...
the only fact that matter here are the ones that are portrayed here.
If you wish for this arugment to take notes from RGT, then settle it there not here.

This forum isn't a place for Simple's personal flaming aggrievances.

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actarus
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 18:11 Edited at: 2nd Oct 2003 18:12
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ROFL,true.

Pathfinder:Well unshamefully this is my worst skill,so it's going rather slow,I've got parts of the front-body done but nothing showable so far as I unwrap each face independently in some areas.

It is also still greyscaled at this moment except for the inside of the mouth.

I'm making some other unseen(so far)models at this time and I usually work a bit slow.Mainly,I'm working on a highly detailed character model of Amon(from devilman a movie).

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 23:13
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happy to wait for the finished thing dont give up, I think youve come a long way.
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2003 00:09
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Looks at the lock button

Cool it guys - this thread is getting out of hand. I dont want to lock it nor mark it as a flamebait.

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i think im gonna go get some popcorn

Anyone else wonder what the point of arguments or flames on the internet is?

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It's easy to argue over the internet because you don't have to face anyone straight up. Hard to image how many idiots are in this world. It's like hackers, and people who spread viruses. Why on Earth would you want to do something like that? What benefit would you get?



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Quote: "It's easy to argue over the internet because you don't have to face anyone straight up."


hehee, having a lack of tact solve this problem ... i should know, i'm about as tactful as kittykat

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