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Geek Culture / Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty

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ionstream
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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 00:08
I've been waiting for this game to come out for some time now, after having gotten the Beta a few months ago. I go to school in Irvine, California, which is where the Blizzard HQ is, so they had something special going on at the Gamestop over there: they invited the voice actors to sign posters! So me and my friends waited till midnight, talked to the voice actors for Jim Raynor (who was extremely nice), Tychus (less nice but okay), and Mengsk (also nice). I've never spoken to a voice actor before, and it was very odd and amusing to hear a voice that I've tied to the character come out of someone else. We got Tychus to say "Hell, its about time, " and that made my whole night.

The game itself is amazing, and the single player campaign exceeded my expectations. First off, the graphical presentation blew me away. I did not expect the non-prerendered graphics to be as astounding as they are, but seeing all the characters in such magnificent shading and lighting brought so much more life to the story. The animation is equally impressive; motions are not rigid in any way and facial expressions are, well, expressive. The voice acting and direction was also surprisingly good and was far more impressive than the back-and-forth bland dialog I was expecting. I didn't care at all about Starcraft 1's story, but Starcraft 2 really engaged me.

And of course, the gameplay itself was thoroughly entertaining. Every mission in the campaign was unique and fun and had some special quality about it. I enjoyed building up my base and then sending over my units to wreak havoc, even when once in a while I'd do something stupid and forget to defend my base! Unit control is fluid, the hotkeys make life a lot easier, and its just a great RTS (of course it is, its Starcraft). I'm going to play through the campaign again on Hard, and then start playing online and with friends again like I did with the beta.

I wish it wasn't so expensive, but I do think the quality and replayability is worth it. Anyone else get this game?

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 01:31
i dont quiet like the campaign to be honest, however i love, and i mean, LOVE the skirmish/multiplayer! just as good as SC1, just better graphics. amazing^^

Quote: "I wish it wasn't so expensive"


all games of today are in my opinion overprised, by a lot.


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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 01:58
$59.95 is too expensive? Seems like that's cheaper than most of the console games nowadays by a good $10.

I'm really enjoying the single player campaign, even though I'm not good at RTS'. I would be interested in reading strategies, though.


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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 02:16
Quote: "$59.95 is too expensive? Seems like that's cheaper than most of the console games nowadays by a good $10."


Which is exactly why I don't play new games anymore except at friends houses.

Gaming is becoming a bit higher up the income scale than it once was, at least from my perspective. I certainly can't afford games, let alone the consoles to run them(my PC is sub-par for most games now as well).

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 04:53
In all seriousness games have not gone up much at all compared to most things. I remember paying $44.99 for Missile Command for the 2600, boy did I shovel a lot of snow to pay for that.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 06:05
I guess I'm too used to Steam prices haha. I went marines and medics through most of the campaigns, with reapers to take down buildings quickly. Then I got Tanks.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 06:32
I have never played the first StarCraft. I'm not a huge RTS fan but I really loved Halo Wars. Me and Thraxas used to tear some bad dudes up online. StarCraft 2 looks amazing. My computer lags on any game so I'm going to have to find a friend that buys it and plays it there.

Quote: "$59.95 is too expensive? Seems like that's cheaper than most of the console games nowadays by a good $10."

Unless you buy a collector's edition of a game, no console games are more than $59.95 where I live. Until I got a job, it seemed like an extraordinary amount of money to spend on a game lol.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 09:13
Quote: "$59.95 is too expensive? Seems like that's cheaper than most of the console games nowadays by a good $10.
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yeah, that is extremely expensive in my opinion, and if it werent Starcraft i would have waited until 49 or possibly 39, i usually never buy new games since they are so ridiculisly expensive.

i get 100$ per month from school (live in sweden thats why) and well, that would mean that each month i can buy approx 1 game, and do other fun stuff with?
nice.

anyhow
I dont like how all players in the MP goes by the "rush and hope the game's over in 5 minutes" tactic, either the game's over in 5 minutes, or i destroyed all their troops and therefore cripples their economy for the rest of the game and therefore i've won. I mean whats the fun in having an RTS match in 5 minutes? I prefer to build up a strong defence and enjoy the match, but since they have now also done so not only the Zergs can rush but also marines, there is no longer possible to play MP as Protoss, since protoss lives on defence, how am i supposed to survive an terran reaper rush, 5 minutes into the game when i have like 2 defence towers (cant remember name of em anymore<.< and possibly some zealots?! it is ridiculus..

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 15:35
Still not sure how I feel about having to pay for the other races separately. I'll wait till the price goes down; mainly because I can't afford the distraction right now. I also heard it's another game that you have to be online to play single player (ala AC2); but that there may be a way to play single offline?

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Quote: "I also heard it's another game that you have to be online to play single player (ala AC2); but that there may be a way to play single offline?
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that, my friend, i hate, and i mean, i hate it. Punishing the players? pfft, if this were not starcraft 2, i wouldnt buy it, not at all. This "protection" should not exist, it is not a step forward, it is a step backward in technology.
well this is my opinion. I didnt buy AC2, and i didnt bought any ubisoft game after that and i will probably not buy anymore ubisoft games until they skip it, and if Blizzard continues with it iam afraid ill do the same to them.

If this is the same protection as AC2 uses, you cannot play it offline, that is the whole point of it..

unless you want to be illegal and crack it, even if you bought it it is still supidly enough illegal to crack it...

>.< now enough raging.


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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 18:46
Read on their forums that there was a way to do it with your legal copy (a checkbox possibly)? I agree though; stop punishing the people who pay for it, and blaming it on piracy. Don't do it myself (hardly have time to play games anymore); but I have read of people either buying a copy; then downloading a pirated copy to skip that huge annoyance...or just going straight illegal (which I don't condone).

It's just crazy. They're paying an arm and a leg for this anti-piracy tech, and they're losing sales from people who just don't want to put up with it, and go elsewhere for their games. Expected better from Blizzard; that's for sure.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2010 23:47
Quote: "They're paying an arm and a leg for this anti-piracy tech, and they're losing sales from people who just don't want to put up with it, and go elsewhere for their games."


Blizzard doesn't care about the whiners who won't buy their games, believe me


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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 00:36
Just out of sheer curiosity, i used a well known torrent site for pirates, and typed in starcraft 2. Just glancing over the sheer numbers of cracks and unique copies of 'full games' it really is hard to see the justification of them using such self destructive methods of anit-piracy, if the game is already hacked within a few days of realese.
Now dont get me wrong i am buying this game for the online play, so i dont intend to download it but i'd rather not pay that stupid amount of money at all. Im waiting for the price to drop alot. Ive noticed that Play.com drops the price of games within the month. Hell Most new realeses end up at £25 pretty quickly. Alan wake is £15 /save £35/ now.
Im sure plenty of you will agree, if you'v waited the years for this game, one or two months isnt gonna change much other than how much more food you can buy.

I just cant get over how quickly people can screw them over so badly, its quite amusing. A selfperpetuating vicious cycle, ahh its palattable.

I look forward to this in a few months till then ill pretend it dosnt exsist.

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Quote: "that, my friend, i hate, and i mean, i hate it. Punishing the players? pfft, if this were not starcraft 2, i wouldnt buy it, not at all. This "protection" should not exist, it is not a step forward, it is a step backward in technology.
well this is my opinion. I didnt buy AC2, and i didnt bought any ubisoft game after that and i will probably not buy anymore ubisoft games until they skip it, and if Blizzard continues with it iam afraid ill do the same to them."


I tried playing with the Spore Creature Creator the other day, but now I that I no longer have internet it won't let me even play with the friggin Creator without an internet connection. How lame is that?


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ionstream
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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 04:37
Just connect to the internet, guys. There might be cracks to let you play the single player without logging in, but you sure as heck aren't getting on Battle.net.

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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 05:23
Really great game. I don't see why it took 12 years to make though, there is little thats ground breaking. I'm not sure if the game is balanced properly, Zealots seem overpowered to me but then I am a noob..

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Quote: "Im sure plenty of you will agree, if you'v waited the years for this game, one or two months isnt gonna change much other than how much more food you can buy. "


I doubt starcraft 2 will drop in price too much in a month or two. All the good games typically have to wait half a year to a year for it to drop 10 or 20$.
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I love the game. It's tons of fun, especially the multiplayer. Except when you have people who's ego is huge and can't just have fun with it. (I've had a couple of those matches. Rather play with my friends in fun matches) But I kind of agree that there is no defense in the game anymore. Kind of. SC1 matches used to take awhile. And if you get a good group in SC2 who doesnt just rush you within the first 5 minutes, then it's fun. But, since they updated it to fit more with games of this generation, they made it more fast paced, thus people have to be quicker on their toes. And the people who are good at that, usually rush, and know it. >.>

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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 08:17
Quote: "I doubt starcraft 2 will drop in price too much in a month or two. All the good games typically have to wait half a year to a year for it to drop 10 or 20$."


With PC games I usually see the drop within the first 2 months

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People who are competitive at RTSs are no fun for people who aren't. Hopefully the BNET 2.0 enhancements will help prevent the two groups from seeing each other much online.

I'm enjoying SC2, I think the campaign is interesting just to see the scripting ability of their engine.


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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 08:49
Quote: "
With PC games I usually see the drop within the first 2 months"


noooo? like half a year or so
Quote: "I just cant get over how quickly people can screw them over so badly, its quite amusing"


using this anti piracy protection thing, they sure had it coming.

Quote: "Blizzard doesn't care about the whiners who won't buy their games, believe me "


which makes me believe, Blizzard was better before, when they didnt waste all their money on a crappy protection system nobody wants. I really didnt expect this from blizz.


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Quote: "Blizzard doesn't care about the whiners who won't buy their games, believe me"

I know that; doesn't make it right though. May come back to bite them someday.

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Yes, you do have to be online to play campaign, but this is not DRM. Achievments and such can be ulocked whislt playing, requiring a connection to update your battle.net account. You can still play offline by using the play as guest feature.


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Quote: "$59.95 is too expensive? Seems like that's cheaper than most of the console games nowadays by a good $10."


Actually back on the NES they had to manufacture the built in memory chip that was included with every game, and they had to ship it and stock it. Which is why games back then were about 60$.

But when we had CD's coming along, which were a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture, games were still the same price. Which is ridiculous.

And at the same time, even online services such as Steam which charge similar prices also have the same problem. They didn't have to manufacture anything, and shipping it was a matter of "bandwidth" which you pay for. And stocking was a matter of hard drives... which you also pay for.

So, games really are a bit too overpriced IMO.

Anyyyways....

Starcraft 2 looks like a great game.

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AHA! PERFECT OCATION TO POST THIS!


xD just had to, i would easily buy any nice game for 29-39€ however, no doubt, 59 and it has to be something i've been longing for for a while, like starcraft 2


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I'm guessing if it IS made by Blizzard, it would have a good online multiplayer.

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Quote: "I'm guessing if it IS made by Blizzard, it would have a good online multiplayer.
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it is made by blizz, and the multiplayer is awesome, unless for all the rush f@g$ =P


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I didn't know Starcraft had a multiplayer mode. What is it like, other then "good?" Does it have a lot of Character Customization?

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Shop around before you spend 59.99 on Star Craft 2, you can get it for £32 from Amazon. I'm wondering how long it will take Steam to sell it?

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Quote: "I didn't know Starcraft had a multiplayer mode. What is it like, other then "good?" Does it have a lot of Character Customization?
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character customization? it is an RTS, it is like an ordinary RTS only... better? and it is the Multiplayer wich makes it worth buying


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Posted: 3rd Aug 2010 19:42
This video sums up the multiplayer aspect.
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I agree with the whole it being worth buying due to multiplayer. Half the games I have and will get (ex: Transformers War for Cybertron, Assassins Creed Brotherhood, Uncharted 2 Among Thieves,) I get because of the multiplayer. I'm a big online/mmorpg fan, unlike my brother Shadowtroid.

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I am playing through the campaign again, but on hard mode. Its kinda frustrating but still quite enjoyable! Me and my friends play against 3 computers, and thats pretty fun as well, although I have yet to have good resource control . Having 1200 minerals and 48 gas is no fun.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2010 23:07
Was just in EB they have it down to 44.99

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Posted: 6th Aug 2010 04:49 Edited at: 6th Aug 2010 04:50
Quote: "I don't see why it took 12 years to make though"


Who said it took that long to make the game? StarCraft came out 12 years ago, but that doesn't mean they started work on the sequel and were working full-time on it for 12 years.

Quote: "Actually back on the NES they had to manufacture the built in memory chip that was included with every game, and they had to ship it and stock it. Which is why games back then were about 60$."


It's nothing nowadays for a game to cost upwards of $60 million or more... MUCH more than the NES games back in the day. Yes, the manufacturing of the discs are cheaper, but the production of the games are much higher.

Quote: "This video sums up the multiplayer aspect."


Haha, is that you, Benjamin?


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Quote: "Haha, is that you, Benjamin?"


Unfortunately not, I don't own the game and I can't quite do the voice as well as he does it.

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People whining about the necessity to connect to Battle.net for any multiplayer: Do you realize that all the Korean leagues couldn't guarantee that every copy of the game would be legitimate? It was either face the same piracy rate that the original had, or take a risk at losing some customers (who probably wouldn't have paid for it anyway) for the guarantee that there will be no temptations.

And I can't complain about the planned expansions. You get the same amount of missions as in SC1, and they seem to last a lot longer down the road. I'm still trying to finish the SC1 campaign before tackling SC2's campaign, but from what I've played and the couple glimpses I've caught of my friend's playing later missions, they seem amazingly awesome.

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Some day I will look for a site that will explain, from scratch, how to play Starcraft decently. I understand there is a ton of theory that just has to be memorized.


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Quote: "It was either face the same piracy rate that the original had"


and it isnt really like that didnt benefit them is it? thanks to that they are a great company now...


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Well I am pretty far into the campaign now and have to say I am loving it, i have yet to encounter two missions which feel the same(of course their are a few about collecting relics but they are all in unique scenarios). Also I will say again, a connection to Battle.net is not required, my internet disconnects every 10-20 minutes so it would be impossible to play. You have to log into your Battle.Net account once, then you can select play as guest, where the whole campaign is open and saving/loading is possible.

I am sure it would be easier for a cracker to fake the validation which happens on first login then it would be to fake a login permanently. Blizzard wouldn’t be that stupid would they?


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I wouldn't be surprised if an emulator was realesed to simulate battle.net, bypass it and open the ground for skirmish and kamachi or something like that.

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being able to LAN in hamachi without bothering with internetz would be awsum, however thats not possible>.>


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Quote: "Some day I will look for a site that will explain, from scratch, how to play Starcraft decently. I understand there is a ton of theory that just has to be memorized."


I used to be horrible, couldn't even beat the third Terran mission on Starcraft 1. What drove it home for me is the concept that in the beginning of the game, you should pump out workers so you have at least 8 before you build anything else.

Then, as you progress, try to always have one or two workers queued up being build. Before long, you'll have 18-24 workers on a single base , and a lot of income constantly pouring in.

The pros also say that you should keep your mineral count at no more than 100 (depending on if you're saving up for a building or something), kinda like living from paycheck to paycheck. Once you really get going, keep it under 500. In the endgame, you'll probably be building big guys and will have a ton of workers on multiple bases so your mineral will sort of just soar through the roof on its own.

Maybe this is obvious, but I was sort of a lazy RTS player. It didn't sink in for me that there's no possible way to win without maximizing your timing. You need to think up a good strategy for countering your opponents, but it's also vital that you do it quickly. The first 2-4 minutes of a game can often decide how the rest of it will go.

The individual strategies (like how to react to certain types of attacks, when and how to expand, how to get more units of a certain type out faster in the beginning) I'm still learning myself. Part of the fun is figuring out how to get what you want done in the most efficient and powerful manner possible.



Quote: "and it isnt really like that didnt benefit them is it? thanks to that they are a great company now..."


So if they're already internationally recognized as an awesome developer, why would they be considered about seeking out new audiences by lightening up on their software protection?

That being said, I'll have no qualms about using a Battle.net spoof server that I can run on my local network. I did pay for the game after all, and it'd be nice to play with reduced latency.

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@BearCDP - Thanks for the tips! In StarCraft 1 I couldn't beat the match where the Zerg rush your base and you have to protect it for X minutes. I think I would still have problems with that mission to be honest!


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HEY EVERYONE... gotta say that i am loving this game and am probably classed as an addict now..... I CANT STOP PLAYING.. i'm always saying to myself...'right , i'll just finish this bit off and i'll stop... BUT I CANT... awesome game.....THE TIPS HELP THOUGH.. but i'm not a cheat... i'm just enterprising and want to win as completely as possible...is that wrong?

Quote: "Quote: "i'm just enterprising and want to win a s completely as possible...is that wrong?
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could you rephrase that? I really didnt understand :S"



i edited this for you 'QUIK'... HOPE IT HELPS... by that i mean i bought the secret gameplay guide and its helping blitz my way through the game and really kick ass

http://linkb.com/starcraft2master get the secret gameplay guide blizzard doesn't want you to know about and become a master overnight
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Quote: "i'm just enterprising and want to win a s completely as possible...is that wrong?
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could you rephrase that? I really didnt understand :S

yes, it is a great game! best thing is that it doesnt bend of from the original^^


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Posted: 10th Aug 2010 22:16
Quote: "Really great game. I don't see why it took 12 years to make though, there is little thats ground breaking. I'm not sure if the game is balanced properly, Zealots seem overpowered to me but then I am a noob.."


Not ground-braking? I think it is... Well, if you compare SC1 to SC2:





As to the zealots... They are useless against air units and many other strong ground units.

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@Jeku
Rofl, that is the EXACT mission I was stuck on for ages. All the ones leading up to that let you mosey around teching and building up a nice army Age of Empires or Command & Conquer style. That's when they really start making you play aggressively.




Zealots are pretty awesome . . . until they get rocked by Banshees or a lot of Marines behind supply depots

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Zealots are not underpowered considering they cost 100minerals and take ages to build they are pretty balanced...
mmmh protoss


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Posted: 11th Aug 2010 04:03 Edited at: 12th Aug 2010 09:12
Quote: "Some day I will look for a site that will explain, from scratch, how to play Starcraft decently. I understand there is a ton of theory that just has to be memorized."


there are tons of places to get guides on games like this to build up[ your skillz quickly and even earn money then selling your characters etc...
there has been alot of talk recently about secret gameplay within starcraft2 which i have seen evidence of..you can get the best secrets guide here MODEDIT: Don't post referral links!! its helped me out incredibly hope you can use the help too..... sorry you'll have to get your own though...............man i love this game now..haha... see you at the top

http://linkb.com/starcraft2master get the secret gameplay guide blizzard doesn't want you to know about and become a master overnight

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