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Andrew
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Where can i buy 3D Studio Max?
Please note that i live in united kindom.

Any links then please tell me.


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Unless you have too much cash than is healthy then i'd recommend against it.

However, it think you could go on it's website and have a look there.

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Dont understand what you are saying David?
What's the website?

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I don't know the figures exactly but 3DS costs well into four figures. A google search will determine the web site

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Well when i search i get "BUY 3D BOOK"
Thats all-

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how about searching "3ds max"?

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The website for 3d Studio Max is:
http://www.discreet.com

But why on earth would you want to buy it? The learning curve is steep, and you'll only ever use a tenth at most in game making? Then you have to convert its file format in other programs anyway because it doesn't easily export its content even to .X.

Besides, it costs like £2-3000.

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Um by the way you cant actually buy it yet, i dont see it anywhere

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Sorry i have found it but it says
"Upgrade"

Ok so where the hell do i buy the first 3D Studio Max, i have not got any and would like to buy the first 3D Studio Max so i can upgrade it.
Where will i find this?

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Posted: 1st Oct 2003 22:32 Edited at: 1st Oct 2003 22:39
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Ok i need your help fast.
I have seen a website that sell's 3D Studio Max.
I do not own any 3ds max, so in order for me to use the first 3ds max, would i need "3ds max 4.2 stand-a-lone".
I do not want any upgrades so is this what i am looking for?

Also this person says that this is a picture of what you can make using 3D Studio max 5.1 -----is this true?



P.S the website is selling 3D Studio Max 5.1 stand alone, so this means it's not an upgrade then----right?

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...yes, that was a picture made with 3ds max 5. Version 6 is already out.

You cannot order 3ds max directly from the website, it requires a phone call, and their number IS on the site. The exact price of max will range between $1000 and $3000, so don't expect on buying it.

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Look at this website then http://www.3dmax.com

I can buy it there from my credit card , i dont understand what you are on about.

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I am really getting p***ed now
Where can i buy it in the UNITED Kindom - YES I WANT TO BUY IT NOW FROM THE UNITED KINDOM.............

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"Call 1-800-488-6661 for details and best pricing"

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Um i live in the United KINDOM!!!!

Help anyone from United Kindom

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Dude, why do you want to splash that kind of money on that? Get something else like Truespace or Cinema 4D which is a lot cheaper and does the same thing .... I use Carrara Studio 3 which is more than enough for my needs and easy to learn.
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Ok so can i do exactly the same thing?
So why the hell would anyone want to rely on 3ds max?
Over 80% rely on this.

Ok i will give it a shoot, any websites for this?

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Ok got a website, MMM so this does the same thing, so why would you need both Cinema 4D and 3d studio max.
I mean if they both do the same thing and like 1 is more money, that just doesn't make sence.

God i could get ripped of here LOL

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firstly there is a 'g' within the United Kingdom...
secondly just becuase one person is capable of producing such a picture doesn't mean you can.

3D Studio Max is an professional tool, designed with tools and abilities specificaly for the Visual Design and Gaming Inudsturies in mind. But just because it is capable of this, the skills required to actually achieve such things take alot of people months to learn and years to master.

If you wish for a copy of 3D Studio Max, goto the Discreet Website and check the list of Registered Retailers, there are Retailers registered world over and you can even purchase direct from Discreet's Online Shop which will deliver worldwide.

and actually if you want to know something...
3D Studio Max is fast becomming the least used development tool professionally and more the choice of modification game developers, the currently top of the range tools are Softimage|XSI and Maya which can produce just as good results.

However again this is ALL down to the skill of the artists not the features of the product.
And non of these packages will give you textureing options, you'll require something 3rd party for textures suchas Photoshop.
Also although they'll run Shaders indeveloper, they cannot be used to prototype and code them so you'll require Rendermonkey and/or CgFX Viewer which are free but are pretty large downloads.

I would STRONGLY suggest downloading the free versions of these products prior to commiting such a large amount of money to anything.

(p.s. didn't you say you ALREADY had a fully paid for and purchased copy of 3D Studio Max in your other thread?)

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Basiaclly which one is better?

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MMM...True

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Might wanna take a look at lightwave. [href]www.newtek.com[/href]
From what I hear, it's very good for dbp.

@Andrew

I seriously suggust you read more about game development on such sights as...

[href]www.gamedev.com[/href]
http://www.gamasutra.com/

I mean no offense, but hopefully these sights will anwser just about every question you have about game design and tools.



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Dont spend thousands of bucks on those expensive tools. The most Id spend is 500 bucks for truespace (www.caligari.com I think)

Try milkshape - www.milkshape3d.com

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Hi, do you know www.newtek.com - do you know the product for it, wel can i design my characters, actually 3D, i mean like take a game like um GTA:VC - can i deisgn characters like that, with animation and texture?

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Forget opening your wallet for the immediate future.

Download something like "wings"(http://www.wings3d.org/), or "anim8tor"(http://www.anim8or.com/). They're free. Download the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/). That's free too. Finally, download LithUnwrap (http://files.seriouszone.com/download.php?fileid=198). You've just set yourself up with totally free modeling, artistic and texturing utilities.

If you're going to spend money then buy "Milkshape"(http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/). You seem to be new to modelling and therefore buying lightwave, 3dsmax, maya and such seems totally overkill for someone who's never box-modelled a box before.

Harsh, but fair I'd say.

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hey i think this is the easiest 3d modeller for begginers thats what i use heres a picture

the link is http://www.ac3d.org
really i think you should try it out

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yes ac3d is very good - $40 i think . i was seriously considering buying it at one point.
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, Visa must be laughing their asses off.

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Yup, this thread is getting pretty amusing.

Andrew - you really DON'T NEED 3DSMax.


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Ok let me tell you my own point - NO one gets me do they ok, not annoyed just get this-

I LIVE IN UNITED KINDOM - YES UNITED KINDOM LOL NOT ANYWHERE ELSE.

I AM MAKING A PROFESSIONAL GAME - I WANT TO HAVE A SOFTWARE TO DESIGN ME TOP QUALITY CHARATCER - WITH ANIMATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY GAME SO I NEED THE SOFTWARE LICENCED FREE

3D STUDIO MAX IS BASICALLY THE BEST PROGRAME TO USE.

OK SO BASICALLY ANY HELP OR ADVISE?

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Quote: "I AM MAKING A PROFESSIONAL GAME - I WANT TO HAVE A SOFTWARE TO DESIGN ME TOP QUALITY CHARATCER - WITH ANIMATION."


With all respect I wouldn't even hope to make a professional game in DBP. Even if you managed, you'd need incredible skill, which you don't have.

Quote: "I WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY GAME SO I NEED THE SOFTWARE LICENCED FREE"


Don't count on selling, see above.

Quote: "3D STUDIO MAX IS BASICALLY THE BEST PROGRAME TO USE."


May be best, but not good value for money. You can get programs doing everything you want for much less!

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I get the point - i do have good skills actually, i could sell it, but you people seem to only want to send time making space invaders and things no offence it's great but I'm different if you see what i mean.

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Dude, check out Simple's WIP post in the 3D section of this forum, those models were made with Milkshape.

Why can't you call the 1-800 number? It's free and they'll probably helkp you, if not they'll at least give you the UK number.


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the reason why people make piddly small games is to learn the language. not to flood to internet with tetris or space invadors. the only game i've released is a small paper, sissors and stone game. it's suprising since i've been using db for a number of years now.

most people prefer to leave a big project on the back burner until they know how to create it. if you wanted to create a professional game, use c++. not darkbasic

i agree with raven on this one, 3d studio max is being less used. best bet is to do some research on what modeling program is the best and see what the licence is they offer.

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Hey this website sells the latest version of LightWave - seems to do the same thing as 3D Studio Max -
Will this do?
[href]www.dvc.co.uk[/href]

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Quote: "I LIVE IN UNITED KINDOM - YES UNITED KINDOM LOL NOT ANYWHERE ELSE."


There is no such place. There is a United Kingdom or Britain, but thier is no Kindom ... would mean something totally different as Kin is family and dom is short for domain.
Kingdom = King's Domain, the only Family Domain i know off is MacDonalds or Toys'R'Us

Quote: "I AM MAKING A PROFESSIONAL GAME - I WANT TO HAVE A SOFTWARE TO DESIGN ME TOP QUALITY CHARATCER - WITH ANIMATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY GAME SO I NEED THE SOFTWARE LICENCED FREE"


if this were so then your publisher would have fronted the money and the product that you have asked for, that is thier role for professional games companies.
Either that or the main branch you work under (ie. Blue Box <- Lionhead Studios <- EA Games )

This said, Gmax is free and has no strings as far as commerical use goes ... so what is the problem with using that instead?

Quote: "3D STUDIO MAX IS BASICALLY THE BEST PROGRAME TO USE"


quite frankly this deserves Rich's quote here ->
Quote: "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, Visa must be laughing their asses off."


honestly the more and more i read this thread the more amused i get, wish people actually bothered to try programs out before going out on reputation. quite frankly if production managers did this we'd all be using Maya rather than Max at work ... for home use it comes down to personal prefference, for professional use you use what you're given or can afford on the companies budget for your dept. only the big companies get to go
"ohh that one has the most features obviously its the best!"

sad really isn't it, look at Rich - he has Cinema4D and still can create some pretty good stuff, far better than most of the louts around here.

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Well i have figured out what i am getting and i see the point.
"no matter what you buy - as long as it does what you want it to do - buy it"


Well No way i am spending loads of cash on 3D Studio max 6 to create character - instead I' going Lightwave because it does all that 3D Studio does plus extra and only a bit more than £1000.
Basically i see that 3D Max is the same as Lightwavereally.

Dont you think?

Also um the export, there is an export DXF - any chance this is save it as a .x file?

Thanks for everyone helping me out and is there any way that i can re pay ya, then please say

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Quote: "Also um the export, there is an export DXF - any chance this is save it as a .x file?"


No, I think they're completely different formats.

Quote: "Thanks for everyone helping me out and is there any way that i can re pay ya, then please say"


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Hey david i would if i was buying 3d max but im not getting that, im getting lightwave.... want that?

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Lightwaves good, but if you want decent character motion (like you see in Final Fantasy) you'll need some motion capture capabilities too (MotionBuilder, CharacterMotion, etc). Oh and some professional music software, perhaps a graphics package.

Time to remortgage your (parents) house

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Ahh great idea - ill keep my eyes out on it, plus i have to wait untill after xmas to get all this stuff so i guess i will be just sitting here planning ym game and read more codes.

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Hey rich - can you tell me where to find some good music for my game, like design music, i cant seem to find anything.

Also rich, the motion builder professional - so what would i need this for? i mean if i got lightwave why would i need this too?

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Quote: "and read more codes."


lol just don't say that when you market your game

Thge original DB came with loads of music tracks, all free. There were quite a few orchestral rpg-type ones.

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lol

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LOL funny

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I'm english too, hence the location

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Great

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This fourm is HHHHOOOTTTT!!!!
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Hah this is such an amusing post.

Lol I laughed so hard when I saw this

Quote: "plus i have to wait untill after xmas to get all this stuff "


Hah getting your parents to spend thousands of dollars on software, man thats funny. I wish my parents would buy me stuff like that.

Buying thousands of dollars of software isnt going to get you good models, sorry. You could have a million dollar piece of software, and still not make anything good. Its the artist, not the program.

Just buy milkshape, you can do anything with it that you will need for DBP. You thinking way to far ahead, and your just going to get frustrated and disapointed.

Sorry, may sound harsh, but its happend so so many people before you....

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RPGamer i didn't understand milkshape
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