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David T
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 22:34
Well, he won the election. Let's se how he gets on

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I heard on the radio that his family is pro-Nazi and he admires Hitler

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I don't think that was true

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God knows...

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David, nice sig

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Man i cant wait for the Terminator 3 game to be released...we get to kill people with the governer...(ok i didnt make that up but its cool)

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LOL! i can just see him in the execution chamber

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is it just me or does he remind you of the mayor out of the simpsons

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lets see, we got body builder arnold, and short fat mayor quimby. hmm, i think its just you bub.
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Quote: "I heard on the radio that his family is pro-Nazi and he admires Hitler "


His father was a Nazi party member - but so what? Millions of people of German & Austrian ancestory had family members in the Nazi party.

Its just rubbish the press like to dig up for effect.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 00:16
Arnie never said he "admired" Hitler.
What he did say was that he admired the way that Hitler was able to go from being a nobody to a very powerful, well respected leader. It is politically incorrect to say ANYTHING good about Hiltler. The truth is though that Hitler was a genious. Unfortunately, he was also a madman.
It is funny the way that people turn other peoples words around.

I think it is completey rediculous that Arnold has been elected. He refused to do any debates or give any kind of agenda. All he would say is "We MUST help the children." It just goes to show where this world is headed.
I can just see his re-election campaign... His slogan will be "I'll be baaack."

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 00:21
I'm sceptical as well, Wolf, but in some ways, it's kind of amusing, so long as you don't live in California (pronounced Calee-for-nee-ah by Arnold)

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I heard he groped hitler. At least he's pretty moderate.

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I heard he got a prety strong support among the republicans and that he have been politically involved before. He's pretty close to Bush too. I heard that on a swedish debate on TV yesterday. So nobody really knows his plans. He may be using his fame to get into the politics without doing some good or he may be using his fame to do something good by getting into politics. Only time will tell. I find it very interesting =)

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Well, he can't get too far into politics without a U.S. birth certificate. Bush never actually publicly supported Arnie. He just said he wouldn't want to arm-wrestle him

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 01:20
Quote: "The truth is though that Hitler was a genious. Unfortunately, he was also a madman."


the two kinda seem to go hand in hand

Quote: "is it just me or does he remind you of the mayor out of the simpsons"

though quimby is based on the Kennedy family, definately know where your comming from.
no doubt he did some election polling of his own

i'm still a little shocked he got in, but then i was shocked about another factor. all of america's best leaders have been a little falanderous - so it wouldn't surprise me if his admin does a good job

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I know that he can't become president. According to my source he has the same ppl backing him up as Bush has. Or someting like that.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 02:30
it easy now to say hitler was an evil madman but back in the 30s a lot of americans send thay "admired" Hitler. like j. edgar hoover are ppl going to say that was not fit to run the FBI for god nows how may years becos he send that back then when hitler hand not even do`n half the evil crap yet.

so if his father was a Nazi party member that ok it was the only way to move up in germany in the 30s (ie you meed to be a member to get most jobs). and if he was under 18 he hand to join the Hitler yourh by law.

but i can`t get over how drtey the election was on one hand any idea on wait to do when thay become governer thay just what to take about how bad the other guys are. are all U.S. election this bad?

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 02:53
I just want to say that if Arny did genuinely say something, all those years ago, about admiring some of the qualities of hitler, then what the hell is wrong with that? lol

There's nothing wrong with admiring hitler's charisma, determination, rise to power etc. so long as you don't admire what he actually did and recognise his was a mentally disturbed twat! I admire Sadam Hussain for puting a gold toilet in his palace, but not for his f**ked up dictatorship.

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Raven: all of america's best leaders have been a little falanderous

New word to me. Give me a clue, what is falanderous?

If Arnie had been a Democrat the press would not have let him win with his racist and sexist past.
But as a Republican.... let me just say apparently their §#|† don't stink.

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Quote: "I heard he groped hitler. At least he's pretty moderate."


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When your a flanderer it means that your particularly friendly with the other sex without shame.
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probably doesn't make it any clearer, but its the best i can think of

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but i can`t get over how drtey the election was on one hand any idea on wait to do when thay become governer thay just what to take about how bad the other guys are. are all U.S. election this bad?"


In short Yes.
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Germany had lost WW1 and where completly broke paying other countries for what they had done. Hitler was able to take power cause the germans where very unhappy. He made Germany rich again. He invented Autobahn, the Wolksvagen etc. With the money he could build up an entire army only a few years after WW2. He even invented Blitzkreig, the tactical warfare that no country could defend against at that time. He was a genious driven by a sick mind.

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the scary thing is DG is that hitler was an artist before he became a meglomaniac. says something for ticking off an artist hey.
he saw politics as a new artform and look where he ended up.



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Quote: "Germany had lost WW1 and where completly broke paying other countries for what they had done. Hitler was able to take power cause the germans where very unhappy. He made Germany rich again. He invented Autobahn, the Wolksvagen etc. With the money he could build up an entire army only a few years after WW2. He even invented Blitzkreig, the tactical warfare that no country could defend against at that time. He was a genious driven by a sick mind."


for 10points how many mistakes are withing the predecending statement?
Arnold has nothing to do with the Germans, nor the Nazi's, nor Hilter...

be good to note that he is AUSTRIAN, although you could actually argue that so was Hilter ... within Germanic culture at the time if you were't with Hilter you were against him.
Fashist, Dictatorship, any govenrment really... if you oppose the leading authority and break what they percieve is the law then you will be punished by thier laws.

And the No sei party were particularly fond of killing people who didn'y agree with them - so to feed your family and keep them safe you would join thier cause. And hell to a young solider the promise of a united europe peaceful and living under Germanic rule probably seemed like a good idelism.

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not that any of it has anything to do with the present... just wonder, but any of you mind explaining to me how you can confuse a republican with a fashist?
just sick if you ask me, notice how those kicking up a fuss about this are those who don't even bloody live here.

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Raven to your last question think John Ashcroft and D**k Cheney.

I'd call them both fascist.

Arnie is probably not a fascist. He should have known better than to express admiration of Adolf. He should have kept that in Austria.

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haha, it doesnt let you say dick?

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I say again, is it just me or does he remind you of the mayor out of the simpsons

How about sound like instead of remind you?

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Quote: "Well, he can't get too far into politics without a U.S. birth certificate."


Money buys anything nowadays ... I wouldn't be surprised if he became president. His support of Bush and the Iraq war (he openly went to the Gulf to support the army a few months ago) makes me wonder what his policies would be if he were to become president, more global unstability perhaps.
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Highly unlike, that would invole changing an Amendment, which is very hard. They've been tring to get flag burning illegal as an Amendment for decades and have yet to succed.

Of course no one seam to notice when an Amendment is broken now days *cough* Patriot Act *cough*


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news reports say they are going to change that rule about being an american to run for the presidency. Its a joke to start with , A native american indian cant be a president yet hes more american than any ego driven white trash thats rocked up in the last 200 years. Your taught at school that some snot nosed italian discovered a new continent, hello there were millions of native people already there with diverse cultures and lifestyles just like the english teach us at school that australia was discovered.
The dumb and the dumber and the dumbest get even more dumba-fied.
where do you draw the line when u start to think for yourselves.
I gotta be on the wrong planet to be the only one to see thers a lot wrong with what is fed into young minds.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 14:15
Quote: "Arnie is probably not a fascist. He should have known better than to express admiration of Adolf. He should have kept that in Austria."


He probably didn't put it forward as admiration. You only know what the press has told you, and quite frankly, the press are a vile institution - where people are savaged to sell papers, or just because they disagree with the editor's opinions. However, freedom of speech is, I feel, a very important right that people have.

As for the whole Nazi thing, over 10% of the German population were members, so there are now tens of millions of people in Europe & the US who had relations in the Nazi party. Hardly surprising then.

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What annoys me is that the moment anybody seems to day anything good about somebody who is mostly regarded as bad (ie Hitler), they seem to be pounced upon by people calling them nazis, etc.

There is no such thing as right or wrong, you can just have different viewpoints.

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@indi

"news reports say they are going to change that rule about being an american to run for the presidency."

What news reports? I live in America and this is the first I've heard of any such talk.

" A native american indian cant be a president yet hes more american than any ego driven white trash thats rocked up in the last 200 years."

Being "american" or not has nothing to do with it. It is whether a citizen from another country can rule our country or not. Native Americans are not citizens of this country. They in fact govern themselves in their own countries.

"Your taught at school that some snot nosed italian discovered a new continent, hello there were millions of native people already there with diverse cultures and lifestyles just like the english teach us at school that australia was discovered. "

Even the most ignorant of fools knows that. Its not exactly a big "secret" that Indians were here before us.

"The dumb and the dumber and the dumbest get even more dumba-fied."

Who?

"where do you draw the line when u start to think for yourselves."

I always think for myself. No "line" is necessary.

"I gotta be on the wrong planet to be the only one to see thers a lot wrong with what is fed into young minds."

And what exactly is being fed to "our young minds" that you find so objectionable? Have you ever been to an american school before? Have you ever studied our curriculum? Judging by your previous statements I'd wager no.

I still don't get what brought this whole diatribe on. Where exactly did any one say anything about native americans not existing? Indi I think you need to chill.
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Quote: "Your taught at school that some snot nosed italian discovered a new continent, hello there were millions of native people already there with diverse cultures and lifestyles just like the english teach us at school that australia was discovered"


Wasn't Chris Columbus Portaguese running from a Spanish port?
i mean Columbus isn't exactly an Italian name

Add to this the fact about being discovered is a simple one... for cultures suchas the English & Spanish, although there was fabled existance of a continant across the sea - there was no stable proof for the era. So from thier point of view they discovered the continant ... as they're the stronger of the two speicies that inhabit the lands now this make it thier history and from thier point of view you were discovered.

I'm sure if the aborigonees were the victors of a conflict against the english, there'd be alot more crime in the UK and history would speak of how the white devils were defeated and cast away from your shores. But that didn't happen, we won't - everyone who was there cried cause we took what we wanted and history as such becomes what we deem it to be.

.. ... ...
my dad always said, "history is written by the victors" and thats all there really is to it.

i live here too, and i've not heard anything about any new laws ... i've heard the crap about arnie, but i never heard him actually say any of it. Quite frankly his opponents didn't want to fight fair and were digging up alot of crap about him and trying to use this behaviour as thier main advantage - but at the end of the day they lost because he's far better at the mud slinging.

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even if... and this is a HUGE if, Arnie could become president by some freak of nature - and even bigger if he was a No Say person... then what? He can't go against the constitution, he'd be impeeched quicker than you can say lewinski
although he could get away with alot of things you can't do anything "unamerican" whatever that means at the time - everything you do is to either please the masses or convince them that it is an american way to do what you want to.

if Arnie stood on the balcony of the whitehouse with troops marching the colour screaming "sig hiel!" i think people would get a bit suspicious

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Quote: " It is whether a citizen from another country can rule our country or not."

Actually in this case, it's whether someone who's not born in the US can rule your country. Big difference. AFAIK Schwarzenegger is a US citizen since 1983 or so. (Not that I want him to rule your country).

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Actually, recent research now states Vikings discovered America many centuries before Columbus.
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"Actually, recent research now states Vikings discovered America many centuries before Columbus."
Recent? We (us Scandinavians) have known that for about a thousand years! But yeah you're right while old Norse literature describe the discovery of Vinland it is not until recently that archealogic (and other) evidence has been found to support this.
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Yeah you're right. I meant to say natural but stumbled over the wording with native/natural americans. Thanks for the correction.
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And there is just as much evidence stating that the greeks discovered America as well, with a shipping route that also took them past the icey wasteland of Antartica - which in some schools of thought is believed could have ties to the lost city of atlantis (and also explain the name) even though plato named it as a mediterranian island ... however since this was discovered to be another culture - don't remember what right now.

But none of it will change history lessons, the portaguese discovered it through a spanish expadition which the rest of the european council (france, holland & england) learnt of and sent thier own parties to the "new land" and the new era where america was discovered happened. blah-blah-blah...

you have to remember this is the same history that claims that we discovered tea and spicies within india

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Quote: "which in some schools of thought is believed could have ties to the lost city of atlantis (and also explain the name) even though plato named it as a mediterranian island ..."


The whole idea of Atlantis is realy just a big misunderstanding. Plato, who was the only person to actually mention Atlantis before it became a poppular legend, had meant it to be a metaphor for something completly different, much like his famous cave parables. If you read the passage from the text in which he mentions Atlantis, you'd be surprised how vague it all seems. The fact that he was the only person to realy mention it in a historical text also leads to the conclusion that it never existed.

Just realised how incredibly off the original topic this post is getting

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It's not just Plato. There are a lot of ancient mentions to it across the world and items from unknown cultures have been found in mysterious places on the sea bottom. Does that mean there's an atlantis... hell no, but it keeps the myth alive .


America was rediscovered, not discovered, as has been pointed out... evidence (that is NOT new-- this stuff has been around for many decades, but only recently have the mainstream science groups been accepting it) shows that there were major trade routes with Greece, Rome, and possibly even Asia at some point. Heck, even before that, who knows who might have sailed over there...

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To elbaorate on what the vikings discovered was iceland with eric the red.
while that may appear to be true, what it lost in the first place?

You see there was a whole diverse race and culture of people already on the continents before white man came with his attitude to say he discovered it. Just because the natives had different ways or methods doesnt mean they were not anything less than a european counterpart.

The native american indians had there own tribes and so forth way before europe wiped them out just as it was here in australia with aboriginals.

Its funny what your indoctrinated at school but did you stop to think about it for a second. It masks a great deal of genocide as if it was a great discovery.

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Yeah but America is still run by a majoritive Anglo-Hispanic Society, as there is no norsk influence there really isn't any call to change history as it is written to be atm.

The only way you'll learn about such things is 3rd party... just like the only way you'll learn about the german, french and russian aspects of WW2 in Britain is through discovery or your own inititive. As the focus is within your countries own history and tie to it rather than someone elses. Even if it is relivant we never learnt a thing about the Vikings in school, just what influence they truely had on the now Celtic nations of Ireland and Scotland and how they affected Englands background.

in some way each culture has something they links them with anothers, i mean its an interesting point to make that it was England who first used Monetry Receipts and created the first banking system which is still in used today, which is very prodominant by the fact that people still use Bank Notes ... which are essentially IOU's promising to pay someone a certain amount of money. (kinda ironic we see it as real money eh)

However I doubt that many other countries would explain that this is the case, or that this is where such a system came from.
Each to thier own, it isn't a bad thing really ... think about the word for a second "discovery" or look it up, you'll see that history isn't lying. Many people can discover the same thing over and over again...

I could walk into a science class and discover that Magnesium mixxed with Water can cause a violent chemical reaction without being taught it but just mixxing them.
Doesn't mean it wasn't already discovered or a common knowlage to everyone else, just means i didn't know about it.

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the original point was that Arnie is Governer of California now, whether you like is policial views or not ... nothing he can do will really affect anyone except the residents of California - which oddly there are only a handful here.

People are already starting to spead the tabloid style crap about him, about his heritage being Nazi (No Say) - but then if someone judged me by what my father is like, you'd all probably thing of me as a bad guy for many different reasons than you do now.
Although the saying "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.", none of you personally knew Arnie's dad - you can't say if he was proud of being a Nazi, you don't know exactly what he did in the armed forces ... was he part of the 3rd Riche? it's very doubtable. And back in the war the Allies didn't care if you were German, Austrian, in the Nazi or a Civilian - to the allies anything germanic was the enemy.
Although generally the tactics didn't stoop to killing innnocent people, it oftenly couldn't be helped and in a kill or be killed atmosphere you do what you feel is right to protect your family and provide for them.
The war from the germans perspective would've been very different to those of thier enemies...

you follow with Arnie claiming he admired Hilter, there are alot of things to admire about the guy ... hell he lived the american dream, might've been slightly twisted - but he came from nothing and made himself famous in history. He isn't going to simply be swept under the rug, be evil or a genius he is now immortal in the text os history for his actions just like Emperor Nero, Julius Ceaser, Gengis Khan or even Napoleon.

Sure there are alot of heros of history as well, but more oftenly only the devils of history will be immortalised ... and they're only devils to those who frown upon thier actions.
You don't know them, you don't know why they did it ... who are you to really judge if these people were bad or not.
You want a good historical figure to look at, look at Casinova - his life story is one of the most profound there is.
He's seen as histories greatest player, difference being is if you read his story. It is a deep and very saddening story

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we then make our way to the rumour of how america will amend the constitution to allow non-american's to become president. the thing is though to allow you to become president is a form of american birthright.
It's like in the UK legally you could kill the current queen and take over as monarch - however you must be english by birthright, else your just a murderous b**tard.
(strange rule, but because the UK is still a kingdom by name and nature the government is technically still seen as a stepin with power ... the rules of the kingdom are still in effect, just like the lords could if they wanted to charge thier own tax on the land they own, however the lands they own are no longer the Shires)

The point is, this is a birthright and countries tend not to give such things away.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 04:43
why does everyone poo on the white guy nowadays. what did i ever do to you white power i say.


nah just kidding.

and indi i love teh save ferris foundation.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 08:22
@indi

"To elbaorate on what the vikings discovered was iceland with eric the red."

Actually, if I remember correctly what they also discovered was a part of what is now a days nothern Canada as well.

"You see there was a whole diverse race and culture of people already on the continents before white man came with his attitude to say he discovered it. Just because the natives had different ways or methods doesnt mean they were not anything less than a european counterpart."

No one is disputing this. Why do you keep saying it like some one is?

"Its funny what your indoctrinated at school but did you stop to think about it for a second."

I'll ask you again because you clearly didn't get it the first time. What exactly are we being "indoctrinated" with? Are you suggesting that the fact that our forefathers massacred an entire race is merely glossed over in our text books? If you are then you have clearly never read any of our text books in your life or attending any of our schools.

"It masks a great deal of genocide as if it was a great discovery.

What exactly is masking the genocide? Please point out the attempts to shield us from this reality. Every text book on history I've ever read at school has clearly, and in no uncertain terms, stated what happened. What makes you believe different?

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