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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Ever wonder what does a Call Of Duty review event looks like (or maybe even: why did Black Ops had such good reviews)?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2011 23:13 Edited at: 16th Feb 2011 23:28
As in topic. Let's just say it was more "vacations + free items" kind of thing...
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/call-of-duty-black-ops-review-event-press-gifts-detailed.ars

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Posted: 16th Feb 2011 23:22 Edited at: 16th Feb 2011 23:23
wow, ridiculous

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Posted: 16th Feb 2011 23:28
This doesn't surprise me. Face it, Call of Duty is a mediocre series that brings nothing new to the table, and hasn't for at LEAST the last 5 years. People like reading reviews, and when you suck up to the reviewers, people get a false view of the game, only based on how they were treated during the review process. People manipulate their minds into believing the game is better than it actually is, simply because reviewers told them. Before long, other people realize that everyone is playing the game, and wants to get in on it too. Before long, you've got a mediocre game brining in millions and holding the gamer market.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 04:55
If you didn't know this already, or at least suspect it, you're retarded. The corruption throughout videogame reviews is so obvious it's funny.

Quote: "Call of Duty is a mediocre series that brings nothing new to the table, and hasn't for at LEAST the last 5 years."


That is a pretty bold statement to make. I am not what you'd call an amazing fan of CoD, but it deserves credits for the Perk system, Zombie mode, killstreaks, etc. When you look at how many games steal Perks and Killstreaks nowadays you must realise that it has had a huge impact on FPS gaming today.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 06:03
Always hated the Call of Duty series... They never seemed to impress me because where is the skill in making something that already exists. The skill is in the games were you have to be creative with the media. Games like Halo, Gears of War, Dead Space, etc. This just makes me sick...

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 07:36
@Toasty
I agree to some extent

@Gorlock
Thats all opinion right there. While i do enjoy gears of war, i dont much care for halo. Which is an opinion also.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 09:53
I have played the call of duty series since the very first appeared and I have to say I still really enjoy playing them. Call of Duty 1 had the best graphics I had ever seen in a game when it was released, now in Call of Duty Black Ops the graphics still amaze me. I enjoyed the first two halo games when the story line was new but by halo 3 I was bored of the missions. Go kill a blue guy, continue walking, Go kill a blue guy continue walking. Where as each new Call of Duty has a unique story line experience. Yes the multiplayer system hasn't changed much, but why change something that is almost perfect already. The Call of Duty multiplayer is the best multiplayer experience I have ever seen and possibly will be for a very long time.

Don't knock the Call of Duty franchise as im sure many people choose to play it because they enjoy it rather than reading reviews and diving straight in.

Just my 50pence

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 10:12
How many people actually read reviews these days though, or care too much about what the reviewer thinks?

People are not in 2 minds about buying the next COD game, in fact if they kept it top secret, like didn't host reviewers, didn't show any media from the game, then just released it - it would still be as huge as it is. People simply do not visit IGN etc to read reviews, they visit to see previews, see what games are coming out next. I can't remember the last time I read a review and paid it much attention. I'm far more likely to check out YouTube to see new games, watch them being played and make my own mind up.

As for Activision spoiling reviewers - well that's just videogame marketting falling in line with every other industry.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 10:38
i read reviews

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 11:18
Yeah I never use IGN reviews for anything except footage if I need some quick. I generally prefer to use Youtube and watch playthroughs by people who don't get bribed by publishers.

DarksydePhil is a good source of unbiased reviews.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 12:34
I find that GameSpot offers the generally most unbiased reviews out of all the other game review sites. Problem is, people hate when GameSpot does that. Nobody wants to admit that something might suck when they buy it, it hurts the ego, and makes them seem like they wasted money.

As for Call of Duty, an upgrade system has been used in games before, many times. Sure, we can rename them to "perks" but it doesn't really change the facts that other games feature it. And zombies, big deal. I can play Left 4 Dead if I want to play a zombie shooter. Why is that impressive that they can make one? It's not. I don't know if you notice, but zombie shooters aren't particularly difficult to make, AI wise. Sure, the level design has to be good, but things coming toward you and damaging you when you're too close isn't exactly the most difficult thing to do.

Kill streaks in my opinion was a HUGE flaw with the game. Why should you get rewarded for killing people? Isn't that the idea behind skill / unlock points? Instead, a helicopter comes and kills half of the map, and the player has to do no work, and gets 5+ free kills.

Let me ask you this, with the exception of adding crappy customizations (face it, most people make their guns look like crap, and we've ALL seen the swastika reticule), what has Call of Duty REALLY offered people new that wasn't presented before? The story is indisputably good, however the multiplayer STILL feels the same.

Not to mention, people buy the games because there is a natural urge to want to be part of the crowd of people who own it. It's the sheep factor. If one sheep gets it, so must the rest.

I won't deny, they have great graphics, very smooth gameplay, and great cinematics, but beyond that there really isn't much new.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 12:34
I watch playthroughs myself, and watch zero punctuation

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 12:46
zeropunctuation is great, but Yahtzee tends to hold onto any praise, as if it was precious - even games that he likes, he's reluctant to admit that the game is good. I kinda dread watching ZP reviews of games I like, he obviously focusses on the negative aspects, wheras people who have to pay for games tend to look for positive aspects.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 12:50
Well, after you here the negatives it makes you appreciate the positives. The only game he was never able to say anything bad about was Portal.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 13:14
Love the COD series; especially the first one, way more than MOH. Many happy MP hours do I remember.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 13:19
CoD has good models, great textures, smooth fluent anims. But it isn't really anything special

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 13:47
Really i think a good game depends on what stimulates you. Honestly i dont care for war shooters, cod and the likes bore me becuse i like creatures and such. reviews tend to break down every detail of the game and nit pick everything to death when most people wouldnt even judge satisfaction on that level.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 17:23 Edited at: 17th Feb 2011 17:25
Quote: "i read reviews"

Me too, but only press ones, never those by internet portals...

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 18:59
Quote: "I watch playthroughs myself, and watch zero punctuation"


I like is brutality. Even he had to admit CoD 4 was an excellent, but that was oh so long ago.

Black Ops is terrible IMO. Graphics are worse than MW2, campaign is a miasma I couldn't work out. The promised emphasis on stealth gone.

Yes the multiplayer is incredibly balanced, but boring. For example, TF2 has in incredibly balanced gameplay due to a trade-off system. E.g., equip X weapon to reduce target's speed, but also reduce the damage inflicted. This makes each character feel unique and requires different tactics. Snipers, spies, scouts, heavies, they can't all be attacked in the same way.

Black Ops? Turn a corner to find yet another player with identical health, speed, etc. The weapons are different, yes. But Treyarch did a good job of making sure none has a noticeable advantage over the others and kinda killed the variability factor.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 19:34 Edited at: 17th Feb 2011 19:35
I lovED the Call of Duty franchise.
Up to about COD4. After they started crapping out a game a year it was almost like they were putting no love into the development.
And lets face it, the ranting people here are right, it is really nothing new. I did like the MW stories, but Black Oops was downright bad.
I am a much bigger fan of Halo, Assassin's Creed series, Elder Scrolls, Fallout,etc (even though some are not shooters, are we talking about only shooters???)
Because, sooo much love was put into the development of them, which made them become amazing games, and get them brilliant reviews without the need of luxury spas.



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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 20:21
Fallout New Vegas crashes out on me at least once a day, some quests don't work, and it's generally a little bugged.

Yet I still love it because you can tell the developers put so much effort into making this giant world ready to fall into a war to decide the fate of nations.

On Black Ops and MW2, a glitch means someone can full-auto an AC130, drop javelin rounds on their death, run at double speed with a package marker, or just rack up a nuke in a minute. It just irritates me.

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I honestly don't think that there's any problem with Call of Duty. Yes, it's a very stereotypical game, but I don't mind that, as long as it's enjoyable. Some people hated the Modern Warfare 2 campaign, but I loved it for one simple reason: It was fun. Who cares about "innovative gameplay," sometimes I just want to be able to sit down and have a good time!

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:46
^ This.

For me, a sign of a fantastic game is something that makes me go 'Wow'. Only four games have ever done that: Portal, when I first worked out how the portals worked; Half Life 2, during the rooftop escape from the civil protection; Mirror's edge, during the fast section right at the start; and Bioshock, the opening speech.
However, and absence of this moment does not make it a bad game. One of my favorite ever games was Just Cause 2. Despite its massive cliche'dness (JC2 being one of the most trope heavy games I've ever played) it's just general good fun. Mass Effect also isn't particularly innovative gameplay wise, but the hugely detailed story and general polish makes up for it.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 21:57
What I think of CoD.

The series are good and always bring a new and epic storyline, graphics, sounds and etc... are always top-notch however the one thing that brings this game down and always will, is the realism of the game. IMO MW2 was the most unrealistic of all series and that really brought down a great game.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2011 23:22 Edited at: 17th Feb 2011 23:24
That's something that bothers me when people talk about a game, realism. If games were realistic, they simply wouldn't be fun. Think of Just Cause 2: a very unrealistic gameplay, but it doesn't matter because it is enjoyable. The only time I would complain about a lack of "realism" would be if it impacted the gameplay in a negative way: for example, if someone made a game where all the enemies knew where you were at all times, and could see through any obstacles.

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Indeed. I laugh out loud when people say Call of Duty is realistic. I might seem hypocritical, but I own every Call of Duty game. Why? Because it's what my friends play. The online play can be fun at times, but in moderation. I still feel that the games are way overrated, and over-done, yet enjoyable.

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Quote: "And zombies, big deal. I can play Left 4 Dead if I want to play a zombie shooter."


No, I don't mean zombies as enemies. They could be viciously drunk bums for all I care, it's the gameplay and formula that makes Zombies fun. L4D is the one that didn't have any incentive for gameplay. All you do is shoot zombies and try to get to the end of the level, occasionally performing simplistic tasks, really no different from any old point-and-click FPS. In CoD zombies there is a genuine challenge in that you are trying to get to the highest round possible. Granted that isn't the most unique thing about the game, but they did spice it up by adding perk machines, weapon upgrades, mystery box, a variety of different enemies. I've not had more fun in a "waves" game mode before.

Quote: "Black Ops? Turn a corner to find yet another When player with identical health, speed, etc. The weapons are different, yes. But Treyarch did a good job of making sure none has a noticeable advantage over the others and kinda killed the variability factor."


As opposed to what was clearly a flawless system of balance in MW2? That game was just so appallingly badly balanced it made me choke. When guns are all equal you are able to find a gun that suits your playstyle and your habits, and makes the game rely more on skill. In MW2, everybody just uses the ACR because it's the best gun. Hardly anyone used anything else. It overpowered nearly every other gun in the game. I'd prefer guns being similar albeit balanced than varied albeit unbalanced.

Quote: "On Black Ops and MW2, a glitch means someone can full-auto an AC130, drop javelin rounds on their death, run at double speed with a package marker, or just rack up a nuke in a minute. It just irritates me."


You can't do ANY of those things in Black Ops.

If you think Black Ops is worse than MW2 then I just refuse to respect your opinion. MW2 had so much retarded stuff that made the game a train-wreck. It was unplayable for me past the January after its release, mainly for people running around with Commando, having unlimited grenade launchers, not being able to use any gun but the UMP or ACR, and killstreaks being overpowered. The game was just broken beyond belief.

Black Ops has nothing like these annoyances. The only problems I can see with it are the one or two slightly overpowered weapons, the slightly over-the-top knife lunge, the RC-XD, and to a lesser extent, Ghost. None of these are anywhere near as annoying as Commando, just one of the many flaws of MW2.

Not to mention Treyarch have released a lot of patches. That's one thing MW2 failed with. There were what, 3 patches? And all of them fixed things that were insignificant compared to balance issues and infinite grenade launchers and Commando. Treyarch have released soooo many patches, off the top of my head they've fixed glitches, fixed the snipers, fixed the AK74u, made it so that Nuketown can't be repeatedly voted in. All of these come from them being asked for in the community. IW have made it clear there will be no more MW2 patches.

There's so much bias in the "CoD sucks" argument that I find it hard to concentrate on.

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Quote: "There's so much bias in the "CoD sucks" argument that I find it hard to concentrate on."


That's because most of us have been around long enough to know that the series has turned into simply a sheep game.

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And then there are those of us who have been around long enough take games for what they are and not what they're stereotyped as. I do not care if it's a "sheep game" as you put it. I play it with friends, it's a lot of fun even on your own, if it's brainless fun then what bloody difference does it make?

Quit trying to turn everything into a negative and lighten up for once.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 12:39 Edited at: 18th Feb 2011 12:41
What does sheep game even mean?

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A quick google search and I found this. Sheep Game. If you think COD is like this, then you and I are playing very different games

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I think the COD games have great immersion, and that's what is key - even on multiplayer there is a good sense of immersion and atmosphere. The only FPS I've played that has comparable immersion is Killzone2.

It's just the way FPS games are headed - more realism, but fun realism (not like Op.Flashpoint), blood squirting on the screen, realistic weapons, and being able to revenge people with the pistol once your downed. COD is so huge now that every gamer must have an opinion about it, and theres very little middle-ground - I rarely hear people say Black Ops is ok - they either hate it or love it. There are too many people googling for their opinions where COD is concerned, it's no wonder developers tend not to listen these days.

Personally I like Battlefield more than COD, in fact if I had my choice they would make another 2142 game, or make it for the 360 because Titan battles are about as intense as FPS games can get. These days though, well we all know that Battlefield 3 is gonna be Bad Company 2 rehash, MOH is not just Bad Company 2 rehash, and any new COD game is gonna be much like the last one. Maybe if we stop buying the new FPS game every 2 months, they'll get a bit more inventive.

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That's really interesting to read. I wondered at what point reviews switched from being honest to being complete bull. Over and over again 95%, 92% 99& scores. I take one look at those and ignore them, smelling foul play. But I wasn't aware it was this obvious. I didn't know they literally blatantly bribed reviewers!

I miss the good old days of honest reviews in stuff like PC Zone magazine, where most games got 60-70%, the really good ones got into the 80s, and when they hit the 90s they were sure fire ground breaking classics, like the release of Quake, or Deus Ex, for example.

So which are the best online review sites where they still actually rate the games, rather than the size of the bribe?

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Quote: "Personally I like Battlefield more than COD, in fact if I had my choice they would make another 2142 game, or make it for the 360 because Titan battles are about as intense as FPS games can get. These days though, well we all know that Battlefield 3 is gonna be Bad Company 2 rehash, MOH is not just Bad Company 2 rehash, and any new COD game is gonna be much like the last one. Maybe if we stop buying the new FPS game every 2 months, they'll get a bit more inventive.
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I am going to wait until I get a definitive opinion before I buy BF3 (not from IGN ) and see how it is. I'm disappointed with how DICE have treated BC2 (on PC, the platform I play it on) because they haven't shown very good support or attention to the community. It's a great game but not enough support.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2011 14:47
Quote: "You can't do ANY of those things in Black Ops. "


I know that, but inevitably someone'll find a game-breaking glitch.

I should like Black Ops more. On paper, the perk system's better, buying stuff is a great idea, customisability is excellent. However I simply don't enjoy myself on it, not that MW2 was great, it was fun at times and good with friends. I have yet to have a genuinely fun time on Black Ops though.

Might just be my taste, I lean more towards fun and silly games like TF2 and UT3.

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Quote: "I'm disappointed with how DICE have treated BC2 (on PC, the platform I play it on) because they haven't shown very good support or attention to the community. It's a great game but not enough support."


Are you joking? BC2 PC has had many updates including balance re tweaks and balance updates, also 7 map packs which were released for free.

And then an expansion pack with 5 new maps, 14 new weapons .etc while Activision are still getting away with spewing out re-hashed maps for a higher price.

Admittedly the onslaught mode is never making it's way to PC but that was to do with server issues and wanting to focus on Battlefield 3.

Compared to a lot of cross platform games, Bad Company 2 has had great PC support, if not better than on the consoles.
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Thraxas, in regards to your sheep comment, it's taken out of the fact that someone who is a "sheep" generally follows the crowd. Sheep herd together, always doing the same thing the other is doing. If you want to get literal, be my guest.

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Quote: "Are you joking? BC2 PC has had many updates including balance re tweaks and balance updates, also 7 map packs which were released for free.

And then an expansion pack with 5 new maps, 14 new weapons .etc while Activision are still getting away with spewing out re-hashed maps for a higher price.

Admittedly the onslaught mode is never making it's way to PC but that was to do with server issues and wanting to focus on Battlefield 3.

Compared to a lot of cross platform games, Bad Company 2 has had great PC support, if not better than on the consoles."


They do NOT listen to the community. All they do is listen to themselves. They refuse to tone down the AN94, which is overpowered as balls, they refuse to fix the rubberbanding and lag, and their support with DLC was absolutely bloody pathetic. They released those 4 new guns 6 MONTHS after they were released for 360, they lied about Onslaught mode and by doing that Vietnam for PC was essentially a ripoff because 360 owners got Onslaught with Vietnam, and PC didn't.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 04:48
Quote: "If you want to get literal, be my guest."

Youmad?

But seriously, you didnt explain it, and it is nowhere ive seen, a common statement. Plus, Thraxas was typing in jest. If you cant see that, then your head is filled up with something.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 04:55 Edited at: 19th Feb 2011 04:59
Quote: "Thraxas, in regards to your sheep comment, it's taken out of the fact that someone who is a "sheep" generally follows the crowd. Sheep herd together, always doing the same thing the other is doing. If you want to get literal, be my guest.
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I know exactly what it means... however, the term is not relevant to a computer game. With every post you make your ignorance becomes more apparent!

Kane & Lynch being the perfect example of a bad game that despite the money thrown at reviewers was still called out as bad.

Yes it would be nice as a reviewer to go have a free spa and whatever else, but if you seriously think they'll say a bad game is good because of that you're mistaken. If they did they would do themselves out of a job as people wouldn't waste their time reading/listening to what these people had to say. Within hours of release every man and his dog has their own review of a game online these days. These are people who have paid money for games, and have not received these benefits, and the majority of people out there think COD is good. I suppose only those few people who say it's bad are correct, they have their own minds. People have different tastes, what one person thinks is good, another thinks is bad. Neither is wrong, despite what is claimed on the internet on a daily basis the way you feel about something can never be wrong. You don't like COD, good for you, it doesn't mean that the people who do, like it because other people told them to.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 05:17 Edited at: 19th Feb 2011 05:27
Quote: "I know exactly what it means... however, the term is not relevant to a computer game. With every post you make your ignorance becomes more apparent!"


Keep taking shots, it just shows how rude you are. I don't know what your deal is with me, obviously you can't let things from over 3 years ago go. It can be applied toward any situation. For example, any time a game is released that people rush to, and they feel they must get it because all of their friends are, that obviously means they have "flocking" tendencies, thus making them a reference to a flocking animal, that being a sheep. Just because you don't see how it makes sense and applies, doesn't mean the rest of us don't. The fact of the matter is, that you let your ignorance decide how you judge others and what they say. No matter what I say, you disagree with it in some sort of way. I could state that the U.K. is an island, and despite being correct, you'd still manage to find something negative to say. I'm not going to act like I'm perfect, I disagree with a lot of things people say, but I never make personal attacks in these disagreements. Insults are the lowest augmentative form.

Going back to your claims, there are loads of people who play games simply because their friends do. People are fickle and will jump on the next big thing. I'm not going to lie to you, I joined in on the Minecraft boom, and I actually enjoy it. However, I hear LOADS of people saying they don't really care for Call of Duty but they play it because that's all their friends play. Not to mention, the overbearing amount of pressure put on people to buy things. Call of Duty marketers are genius, in their own right, simply because they can take any Call of Duty game, and make it seem godly to own it. Why do you think Call of Duty 4 STILL runs for about $20-$30, despite it being rather old? Because there is still a large fanbase around it. Same with Modern Warfare 2, one year later it's STILL $50-$60. Yet, Battlefield Bad Company 2, which hasn't been out for more than a year, has gone down to $20 - $30. Does that mean one game is better than the other? No, it just means there is a higher demand for it. Does a higher demand make it better? Absolutely not. Some of the worlds most iconic things weren't popular at first, until years later. It's a Wonderful Life was generally left with negative reviews when it came out, same with Willie Wonka, and Dumb and Dumber. All 3 have become famous in their own right, and popular. Same goes with Red Dawn. Nobody really liked it when it came out, but yet it gains popularity among other people. It all depends on what the market is doing.

People in nature are "sheep", because each person in this world always wants to be part of something new and better. Why do you think cell phones are considered obsolete 9 months after a new model is introduced? Because companies know if they can get people into a cult-like-form, they can sell them just about anything. I myself am a non-conformist. I don't feel like I need to own an iPod or play an overrated game to make myself feel more worthy. Maybe some people play for fun, if that's your choice, go for it. Who am I to say what is good and what is bad? I think Call of Duty is good, but overrated. Someone might disagree. I love Battlefield games, but as seen from Toasty, some might not appreciate them as much. It's all in what you like. Calling someone ignorant over observations in itself is ignorant. Let's call science ignorant while we're at it, they notice a pattern in things all the time. Why not them next?

I don't know if you got my email I sent to you, thraxas, I used your forum email, not sure if you got it.

Quote: "They do NOT listen to the community. All they do is listen to themselves. They refuse to tone down the AN94, which is overpowered as balls, they refuse to fix the rubberbanding and lag, and their support with DLC was absolutely bloody pathetic. They released those 4 new guns 6 MONTHS after they were released for 360, they lied about Onslaught mode and by doing that Vietnam for PC was essentially a ripoff because 360 owners got Onslaught with Vietnam, and PC didn't."


1. The AN-94 was nerfed, but due to community complaining, it was bulked back up again.

2. The rubberbanding was fixed in mid-june. If you're still having issues, it's probably your connection.

3. I can't argue about the DLC, the first few "map packs" were just game mode additions, however Map Pack 7 was a nice surprise.

4. Onslaught was indeed a bit disappointing, especially for the $10 price tag. Vietnam is impressive though.

If you listen to the community too much, you're basically stripping your games identity to appeal to a select few people. Believe it or not, forum dwellers only contribute a small percentage of the total amount of people playing the game. Why should 1 small group of members decide how the entire game is played? Most of my friends have no clue there were forums until I talked about it in passing one day. Players let their own thoughts and emotions control how they want the game to be. For example, during the period of pure M60 ownage, people were crying, and some people who abused the gun were insulting. So DICE decided to nerf it. Long behold, the AN-94 became the choice gun for campers. People like abusing the best possible weapon, like the ACR in Modern Warfare 2. The players who use these guns usually have little to no skill when they loose their powerful weapons, then they move on to other games or other game modes. It's the vicious circle of gameplay.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 06:14 Edited at: 19th Feb 2011 06:15
In general, I don't play any of these generic military FPS games like Call of Duty, they just don't interest me.

The only fun I've ever had playing an FPS in multiplayer was in the form of one on one deathmatches in Halo 1 and 2. And I mean split screen, where the guy you were playing against was sitting right next to you. No lag, no hacking, no juvenile insults after every kill. Just a fair match between two grown men.

Nowadays I only ever play single player games. I just can't stomach any of today's online FPS games.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 07:33
Quote: "Believe it or not, forum dwellers only contribute a small percentage of the total amount of people playing the game."


I thought people were sheep?

Yes, it is me.
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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 20:29
I agree, with crispex, most people play COD because their friends play it. I have had so many people tell me that i should get Black Ops, I have played it before and i have yet to have a truly fun experience out of that game, yet i am constantly bothered about not having it and am actually made fun of for my own legitimate opinion!

I must admit MW2 campaign was really fun, but i honestly do not like the online multiplayer at all. it is terribly unbalanced, at a beginner level it is near impossible to get a kill. now that its been out so long that nearly everyone who's got it has become really good and as far as i've seen it has no options to pair you with someone your level.

In my opinion, the whole series is going downhill, everyone automatically assumes that the next COD is gonna be the best game out there so everyone flocks out to get it on it's release date.

People, when it comes to video games are VERY stereotypical because they automatically the most popular game is gonna be the best one out there. when MOH came out last year, i was the only one that was excited about it's release. i would say something about it and the only answer i got was, "Get Call of Duty Black Ops, its better".

When MOH came out it got a 7.5 of 10 at Gamespot. since MOH and COD was going head to head in their newest games, the reviewer was apparently a COD fan and game Black ops a 9.6. that's why i really never pay attention to reviews that much because ive seen several instances when a game was rated low by reviewers and i Loved the game and games that were popular was rated high, i believe that if you want to buy a game, download a demo, and if there is no demo, rent it. you can almost never pay attention to reviewers anymore.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 21:47
Ok, seriously, MoH multiplayer SUCKS. I like the orignal MOH's alot better. The gun seriously just stays in place not even jumping a half inch. I returned my 'finished' beta the day before it was released.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 21:57
Quote: "obviously you can't let things from over 3 years ago go"


Correct. AND I won't ever let go.

Quote: "No matter what I say, you disagree with it in some sort of way. "


No true. I form my own opinions. If you said something I agreed with, or something that wasn't asinine I wouldn't disagree with you.

Quote: "but I never make personal attacks in these disagreements. Insults are the lowest augmentative form."


I have posted some of the emails you sent me in the moderators lounge, so they at least know this statement simply isn't true.

Quote: "LOADS of people saying they don't really care for Call of Duty but they play it because that's all their friends play. "


More fool all those people who play a game they don't enjoy just because their friends play it. Clearly your extensive research into what people play and why they play proves my ignorance on the subject. I haven't spoken to LOADS of people about it. I assume these loads of people are your classmates? I'll make sure I go to the local shopping mall with a clipboard later today. I'll stand outside EB and question all who enter with a survey so I too can enter into this debate with you. It will look something like this:

Do you play COD games? No Baa

If Baa why do you play them? Baa Baa Baa Baa friends Baa Baa

If 'no' why not? _____________________________________________

Quote: "I don't know if you got my email I sent to you, thraxas, I used your forum email, not sure if you got it."


Nope your email address is on my black list and has been for about 4 years now.

Quote: "When MOH came out it got a 7.5 of 10 at Gamespot. since MOH and COD was going head to head in their newest games, the reviewer was apparently a COD fan and game Black ops a 9.6"


Clearly. There's no way he would have taken the games on their own merits and given his opinion on them. He was simply a COD fan and didn't give the MOH game a fair go. What a sheep!!!!

Quote: "that's why i really never pay attention to reviews that much because ive seen several instances when a game was rated low by reviewers and i Loved the game and games that were popular was rated high, i believe that if you want to buy a game, download a demo, and if there is no demo, rent it. you can almost never pay attention to reviewers anymore."


It doesn't make the reviewer wrong if they hate games you like, and like games you don't. It just means they have different tastes in games to you. Wouldn't the world be a boring place if everyone was the same, and liked the same things.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2011 22:52
Well, if you wouldn't have blocked me you would've saw I made a formal apology. Being as you've spread my emails around, I suppose I can paste what I sent to you on February 13th.

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It's Crispex, no, this is not a slam email to be offended at, as that was years ago. People change, and I realize I was short tempered back then, as well as most teenagers are. Regardless, in this recent post, my response of,

"Who here is talking about money falling into pockets? I'm simply saying that for some people who actually PAY bills and simply don't live with their parents rent free, $50 is a substantial amount. I remember when I was a lot younger living with my parents, I was able to afford anything I wanted because I worked a job, but as you get older and you get out on your own, and you're paying bills for student loans and such, you realize that money is a bit tighter."

I was directing that at the person who posted before me, stating that basically since I was saying the products were rather expensive, he was returning with remarks basically insisting I was lazy, which is not the case. This was not directed at you, nor was it meant or intended to be conceived that way.

As for your remarks about my 2007 emails, I was a lot younger and generally I wouldn't use that as an excuse, people grow up. People move on, and realize all the old things that happen doesn't matter. You can carry that bitterness with you as long as you want to, but I'm offering an apology for the way I acted. It was unacceptable for someone of any age, and I'll fully admit that. I don't doubt for a minute that you're a hard working individual, as I myself am working hard to get ahead in my life.

I just want to make it clear, that when I post in response to topics with seemingly arrogant or rude remarks, it's just for the sake of me voicing my experience in the matter. A community is about sharing experiences, helping others learn from mistakes. I've learned a lot from TGC's forums, and I continue to find out something new every day. I hold no bitterness toward you or any of the forum members, and my remarks are simply replies based on my opinion, and are not intended to start flame wars.

If you don't accept my apology, that's fine by me, as I've done my part to try to set things right between us, that's all I can do. I hope we can both peacefully exist on the forums without any further confrontation, and that you can forgive. As for the emails, I haven't even got them anymore, as I deleted them out of anger right after I sent them. Regardless, I know what I said was offensive for anyone, and generally was irresponsible and immature. Again, I apologize and hope we can move past this.

Best,

Eric G."


I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.

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