Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

Geek Culture / Good Bye Jobs {Steve Jobs that is}

Author
Message
MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 11:34 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 20:15
OH finally some good news Steve Jobs just quit, I understand its under Health grounds but nevertheless... their shares dropped 5% and this to me is great news... it means if the investors are not as keen, this could ripple down to the consumer...

If the Apple store and dvelopment was more open maybe I wouldnt have been so happy about this... but he is still there in the shadows which means nothing will really change... just hope the next man has some logic and opens up the development side of the erm... Apple platform, by this I mean the ability to compile and produce Apple plarform applications so we do not have to be forced to go out and buy an iPhone or iMac or iAir thing... {thumbs up if you liked My iAir joke}

I appreciate he has health issues but I so could not stand the guy... I wonder who is going to take his place?


EDIT

By compile I meant on Windows - via AppGameKit of course ...

The Next
Web Engineer
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Dec 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 11:59 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 12:00
This guy will take his place http://mashable.com/2011/08/24/tim-cook-apple-ceo/ at least for now.

I'm glad he's gone I am very anti Apple, I hate how they do everything! Their products cost too much and they don't like anyone to do anything unless it involves paying a tonne of money. For example developing an app for iPhone or iPod yes you can do it for free. If you buy one of our overpriced Macs in the first place, where you could buy a Windows machine and get 5 times the spec for the same price.

Apple are profit grabbing at every opertunity and their products are easily out matched. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, Android are doing much better things and are open source, which is the future.

Mystic Mod - Putting the fear back into sliced bread since 4th May 2010
Windows 7 Pro, AMD Phenom II X4 3.4Ghz, 8GB DDR3, ATI Radeon HD 4770 1GB, 2TB RAID-0 Hard disk
MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 12:12 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 12:14
ahahahahahahahahahaaaahaahahhahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAahahahhaahhaah

I want to ask that woman how she says 'i' MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and shes in a university OMG

So Apple goes from Employment to Food... {Jobs>Cook} lol

It says he is an hard Apple... gonna avoid the a word lol...

He seems to be even more annoying... but it says he will never reise his voice... so I think I can cope with his presentations... and he doesnt talk like that woman so he is somewhat tolerable...

Yet it does not change My view on Apple... but lets see what decisions he makes. at least he can say 'i' correctly.... phew

EDIT

Really need to get a new keyboard... using a temp KB right now... making so many typos... its frustrating...

Rampage
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Feb 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 12:35 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 12:38
@MrValentine, you seem to have a very annoying view on this situation

I say so long to a marvelous businessman. And to spend his billions wisely in however long he has left.

He shall be missed.
My condolences to Apple.

Regards,

Max
Deathead
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2006
Location:
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 12:36
I find it a shame that Turtleneck fashion will plummet.

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 12:47 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 13:32
Quote: "Turtleneck fashion"
?

Annoying View? that doesnt make sense to me... but yeah same here... I was trying to remember that word earlier then forgot to use it....

Quote: "My condolences to Apple."


EDIT

arh... can we say a new era has spawned in the Apple world? or will apples cease to taste as good as they used to?

EDIT

Do not get me wrong... in this clip I respect him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0FtgZNOD44&feature=player_embedded

Forgot the syntax for embedding yt vids sorry

Even my boy Gates praised him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ&feature=related

Man they both had Proper Hair! back then...

However I do not have respect for Cult Behaviour, which is the role Jobs undertook in order to grab an audience.

Cult is not by My view... its the widespread opinion...

anayar
15
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 19th Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 13:02
Hate Apple. Loved Jobs. Will be sorry to see him go
Your take on this and your posts are frankly borderline insulting... I mean, the guy quite for health reasons... you should be praying he makes it through, not rejoicing that he's gone and may die.

Anyways, I sincerely hope Steve makes it through whatever he's facing... The world kinda needs a legend like him nowadays.

Cheers,
Anayar


For KeithC
Quik
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Jul 2008
Location: Equestria!
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 13:18
No offense Valentine buut... pretty much what anayar: Iam not so keen on apple either, and if he quit for health reasons, then I pray for him to survive in all honesty.

But a good change for apple? Might be...

and for the record, I am a man.

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 13:19 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 13:30
Oh no Anayar I did say I am sorry for his health issues... I did say Quote: "My condolences to Apple."

On a social level I am sure I might get along with the guy but on a professional level which is everyones critic I dislike his motives, in other words he is not a person I would go into business with regardless of on what scale/level.

And I always say I have nothing Against Apple as a Developer Company... just do not like their public image as a cult culture... Put it this way... CREATIVE could have become a cult culture and had every option to overtake Apple... but they did not... hence why I prefer CREATIVE ZEN over iPod anyday, they sound better anyway... but its the cult culture in general regardless of Apple using it or now... its a blinding culture and one that is around for neccessity and use by those who wish to make use of it... for those thinking Apple is not using Cult Culture... please wake up.

But I still stand by saying Apple is a good company they do maybe make good kit... but they continue to make shoddy choices and remove rights from their customer base...

In short... if I want to use FLASH... I will use FLASH... if I do not want it... well go figure

All in All I nearly lost a good friend to heart surgery found out he is all well now... so I hope Steve does well and recovers especially for the sake of his family... but I wish he would stop making such bad choices for Apple and open it up a little. I would like to use an Apple Laptop like one of those Mac Book Pros, they are sleek... but if I can not run PROPER windows on them... I will wait for better options... I am a Windows User, I often try out other OS's and come to dissapointment either they fail at basic functions... or demand the user to fix it themselves... Hence why I will continue to PAY for My Operating System and will probably never touch Free OS's unless MS decides to go Open Source one day haha ...

Insert Name Here
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 13:22
Shame, I like Jobs. Say what you like about apple, I love my little iPod and I like apple. That's all I need to know

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 13:25 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 13:34
I better come clear, I tend to come across as having a strict critical view on things... but I am very feasable so forgive me if I sound straight up haha... {This comes from a very difficult childhood including having been homelss on a few occassions... not as bad as it sounds but we all have our individual experiences...}

Like I said I dont HATE Apple I just do not like their methods and products to a certain degree... if iTunes worked for more than 5 seconds or was properly coded and tbh if I did not need to use it... I would probably have bought an iPod by now... or better yet, an iPhone... do not see the point of carrying 2 devices to do 1 thing between them when you can get them in 1 package these days

EDIT

See bold words above

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 14:07 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 14:09
The guy was annoying, yes, but he's a very successful businessman who (pain to the ears of MacHaters) has brought innovations to the computing industry and market. I would have preferred it if the guy sat in the audience whilst somebody else did the keynotes, but I think that's no reason to hate the guy or celebrate him stepping down. But I guess that's the lolApple attitude people have.

I wish the guy the best of luck, as I would anybody with an illness, I'm sure it'll be an end of an era for Apple, but I'm sure whoever replaces him will be up for the job. Hopefully the guy pulls through whatever is wrong with anybody.

Though for jokes...Steve Jobs unveiled something new to Apple fans yesterday, iQuit.

Quote: "Their products cost too much and they don't like anyone to do anything unless it involves paying a tonne of money. For example developing an app for iPhone or iPod yes you can do it for free. If you buy one of our overpriced Macs in the first place, where you could buy a Windows machine and get 5 times the spec for the same price."


Nobody's forcing you to buy an Apple computer. The price you pay isn't that much greater than an equal PC. The problem is people compare low budget desktop PCs to Apple's all-in-one iMacs, but for example RRP for a Packard Bell all-in-one PC is £949.99, but that comes with Intel Graphics, for an iMac with ATI Radeon HD 512mb (because they don't do Intel graphics on them), you're looking at £999.00, both are i5 (2.5ghz iirc), both have 4gb RAM, but you don't hear people slagging off Packard Bell. Then look at the desktop MacPros, in terms of spec their low end MacPro has a similar spec to what Alienware claim is their best PC and that's only £200 cheaper (£1800 vs £2000) and on the MacPro you can install a LOT more RAM, meaning better upgrades. But MacPros are best compared to Boxxtech, which are highly expensive PCs used mainly for 3D rendering and by professional artists as they're packed with a lot of power and ability to upgrade the RAM to insane amounts, their customers are people with that kind of money to spare, people who'd pay £3,000 just on one application. I don't expect an average computer user or even gamer to buy a MacPro or a Boxxtech. When I've seen comparison reviews for recommended CG computers Boxxtech and MacPros come up.

Yes, Apple doesn't do cheaper alternatives, using cheaper or lower quality parts to accommodate the lower budget computer user, unlike, say, what level Lenovo ThinkPads do, TSeries vs SLSeries, you look at same spec laptops you're paying a lot more for a T than an SL, I bought an SL510 because I was low budget and I have used a TSeries before (one came in to where I used to work) and have found that the T-Series is a LOT more solid, the Mac laptops used by friends and family are also a lot more solid.

But this is still a lot more solid than my now dead Acer Aspire laptop that had a much higher spec (and double the price), but it was a cheap high-spec laptop but in the end it wasn't built to last, the funny this is - the same day I bought my dead Acer my sister bought her MacBook for the same price, but hers was lower spec. All my sister has needed in those 3-4 years is a replacement battery because she overcharges hers. I wish I went for the MacBook to be fair, I gave up on hardcore PC gaming with my Acer.

So I don't think it's fair to go out and say Macs are over priced or compare them to lower priced same spec laptops because it doesn't necessarily mean that lower priced same spec laptops are better. Apple just don't accommodate for cheaper hardware, but they do have a cheaper alternative and it's called a MacMini...a Mini Computer. Not as powerful as desktop alternatives, but a good spec for a Mini PC none-the-less and powerful enough to do a lot of things, including play games like Call of Duty 4, which is still powerful enough to run AAA title games.

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 14:19
Was'nt iQuit something of a joke back a few months ago? It is nothing new to me tbh.

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 14:21
Probably, I don't think there's any original Apple jokes out there to be fair lol.

Remember the iRack?

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 14:22
iRack? no whats that lol

Eitherway I suppose you could say Steve was a guy we love to hate and some could love him for various reasons...

How about we make a list of the actual things he really did rather than just say he did something for everyone? This list could be very interesting for debate...

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 15:59 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 16:01
iRack was something MadTV did a while back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSQA1jqFpM

An example (for your request):

Apple were the first to bring us personal computers that used a GUI and could be operated using a mouse, which competitors soon followed with. Steve Jobs and Bill Atkinson had inspiration from their visit to the Xerox Research Centre, the company made innovations on the usage of a GUI by introducing an Apple with one. It became very successful. I think that's pretty significant. They were the ones who decided to take a risk and do something different.

And I think in recent years it's very clear to see what iPods, iPhones and iPads have done for the market. Whilst Apple didn't invent the MP3 Player, Smartphone and Tablet, but then Microsoft didn't invent Operating Systems, but they've made their own innovations over the years. I'd argue if it wasn't for Apple TGC wouldn't have just released AppGameKit, because it was from iPods and iPhones that have opened up this 'app' market, which is great for independent developers, with competitor's homing in there's also more choice and more platforms to develop for. Microsoft's innovation for the indie market was XNA so with the two combined, indie games are more accessible and that's great for the indie developer. Not everybody plays XBox, not everybody uses their PC for gaming, not everybody has an iPod or an iPad - so everybody's played their part in making innovations, Apple included.

Ocho Geek
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 16th Aug 2007
Location: Manchester, UK
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 18:30
That was quite clever

Personally, I think a lot of you are being childish. Stop turning threads into apple rants.

Ooh look, I took the moral highground. Nya Nya


Not Spanish, Not Eight, Just Ocho

TheComet
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Oct 2007
Location: I`m under ur bridge eating ur goatz.
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 18:39
Steve Jobs had an incredible mind, why do the geniuses always get diseases and die? I myself am not too keen of the "apple platform" as you called it, but without him the computer world as we know it wouldn't be the same.

TheComet

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 19:12
To be honest, I just find it annoying every thread to do with Apple has people using it as an outlet to slag off Apple and their products, normally without having their facts straight. But I'll tone it down and avoid correcting people, after all people are still gonna keep ranting and raving about how much they think Apple sucks and how they feel Steve Jobs is an idiot.

Steve Jobs has stepped down, it's sad and hopefully the guy is all right. He's a human being, a genius and somebody who has contributed well to society despite your opinion of him or his business and I think that's what important. My condelences to him and hope everything works out for the best.

TheComet
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Oct 2007
Location: I`m under ur bridge eating ur goatz.
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 19:33
This is more or less appropriate:



TheComet

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 20:10
@TheComet you made my day!

It is funny how people assume you are just ranting when actually you are just presenting your opinion... there is a fine line difference...

Anyhow I like what Seppuku Arts said regarding how they didnt innovate but present their unique products in their own unique way... I think there is always something to be learned from people who created something different... for example I dont know how accurate this is but from what I know E=mc2 from Albert whatever... was originally received as gibberish then became a groundbraking equation and now they realise there were actually faults with the equation... So in short... I am not saying Bill Gates was right... nor am I saying Steve Jobs was wrong... they just made some terrible choices that alienated people... Steve more than Bill.... clearly...

It is not more so the products that I dislike... its how they are presented.

In short... you wouldnt eat a dessert that looks like a dogs dinner now would you? I would prefer a lovely towering Parfait...

That was just an analogy not saying any company was the dogs dinner or the parfait.

Regarding the Poor Choices presentation... I do not want to go into detail here... can someone pinpoint what Steve has done for the world other than Apple? has he done any philanthoping? as Gates has been... I know next to nothing on Steve apart from the fact i dislike his presentations ^^ and Ideals hehe... I wonder if he does dinner?

I would like to and am trying to flip this thread into a know what you dont about Steve .

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 20:35 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 20:39
Well I said they innovate too , just not invent...though its possible there have been things they have invented that I don't know about.

What does Steve Jobs do for humanity besides what his contributions to computers has been? As far as people are aware he doesn't give money to charity, if he does, he does it anonymously nor does he express his views political or otherwise, he's kind of private. But I don't think anybody was claiming he was a better man than Bill Gates. But then I don't know either very well as people, it's difficult to judge who is the better man, Bill Gates certainly looks a lot better for the public eye, but I think that's the trouble when you're in the public eye, you're suddenly judged as a human being and expected to lack the flaws that are common to human beings. A lot of people regardless of wealth don't give money to charity. Of course, I think it's fantastic that Bill Gates is a philanthropist, I mean I think it's great when people do try and give something back.

MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 20:40
Quote: "but wealthy geniuses are welcome to be human and have all the flaws that come with it."


I preferred your original tbh... it summed up the whole meaning of my thread here... this isnt a paint a trget at the rich, money has absolutely no value to me... so I hope nobody ever hits me with that book... but its a view on someone as well as now some people in general as individuals... life story aside and business accument aside... its the choices they make that I am pointing at...

As its the choices someone makes that makes them liked or disliked... regardless you will always have a bit of both...

Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 22:20 Edited at: 25th Aug 2011 23:43
But what exactly has Steve Jobs done that's so bad that it's worth celebrating him stepping down? (as you did in your original post) Especially after considering what good he has helped provide his business and the industry.

CoffeeGrunt
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Oct 2007
Location: England
Posted: 25th Aug 2011 22:58
I hate Apple, but I don't hate Steve Jobs. I have tonnes of respect for him, because when he talks about his products, he genuinely believes in them. He's an excellent salesman.

sprite
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Apr 2006
Location:
Posted: 26th Aug 2011 00:39
Its sad the Steve Jobs is leaving Apple. The 5% of Apple shares just shows how much people valued his leadership.

I'll add something later on.
MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 26th Aug 2011 05:13
I agree with sprite's statement...

I simply did not like his choice of marketing... thats all, I never said I did not like him on a human level lol.... I think some are not understanding the 'Keep it at work/keep it at home' ethic... must be because theyve never kept their lives on a home/profession style...

As I always say... our experiences make us who we are...

If it is so hard to understand... just stop posting please...

Inspire
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Dec 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Posted: 26th Aug 2011 06:12
Steve Jobs bought a graphics company from LucasFilm and turned it into Pixar. Which led to Toy Story. So yeah.

CoffeeGrunt
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Oct 2007
Location: England
Posted: 26th Aug 2011 20:28
No to mention Up, which has the best intro of anything ever.

Insert Name Here
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 31st Aug 2011 05:48
Seriously, was Steve Jobs the Hitler of our generation or something? So he ran a company that you don't agree with totally, and now you're celebrating his declining health because of that, like he was some kind of evil dictator. I mean, you can have whatever opinion you like but Jesus, a little perspective wouldn't go amiss.



MrValentine
AGK Backer
14
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Dec 2010
Playing: FFVII
Posted: 31st Aug 2011 07:28
Atgh Insert.... weve changed the outline of this thread already

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2025-05-23 22:56:28
Your offset time is: 2025-05-23 22:56:28