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Quik
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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 17:09
So, a subject we had at school today was, what the title said..

for example there was this gymnastic teacher who was called out as a sex abuser or something like that and being in court: when in reality he is only SUSPECTED of doing that, and they had no proof and he was NOT in court.

What are your thoughts on this matter? You cant sue them either, and if you do you wont really get anything out from it... a small amount of pennies in your pocket but thats all.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:18 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 18:25
In America, not only can the media get away with falsely reporting the news, it would seem they have a First Amendment right to lie....

Not sure if this has gone on any further, but in 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals "claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a “law, rule, or regulation,” it was simply a “policy.” Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly."

Here's the link and some quotes:
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/

Quote: "In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States."


Quote: "During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so."



Here's the actual case and decision
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12622846756814921333

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:42 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 18:43
My understanding is the news can lie, but deformation of character is another matter entirely. I'm pretty sure they can write "MAN LOVES GOATS" and then talk about an unnamed man, but if they write "TONY BLAIR ENJOYS LIVESTOCK" he can sue them, unless of course its true (which it is).

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:45
In sweden you can sue them indeed, but you wouldnt EARN anything from it: they would get away with having to pay you an extremely small amount of money..

there is a reason to why it's never done basicly =P

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:47 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 18:48
Well, you'd do it to clear your name, I suppose. If it's a credible paper, intelligent people may believe it, which is obviously not a good thing, so you're going to want to sue them to make sure officially it is highlighted as incorrect. If it's a poor man's paper, perhaps you'd just deny it, and that would be enough, since intelligent people know they print a lot of rubbish anyway.

Edit: Alternatively, just go out and do whatever they say you've done, and then everyone is happy.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:49
Try reading Bad Science. It gives you the facts behind the fiction of newspaper stories. In a nutshell, if they can get somebody else to tell them an "untruth", then they feel vindicated in printing it.

For example, they will find people who will tell them what they want to print for a fee. In the case of MRSA (Superbug scare in UK hospitals some years ago) they asked someone if they could provide a report that said MRSA existed on hospital window ledges, for a fee of £XXX. So the "scientist" gave them what they wanted. What they didn't include was the raw data that would have disproved his report due to contamination of the samples.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:50
Which paper was that Steve?

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 18:59
Once you understand that "News" is really "Entertainment" then you see why they operate the way they do.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 19:08
Considering what they do at times breaks the law... no, i dont see why they operate that way

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 19:10
Quote: "Considering what they do at times breaks the law... no, i dont see why they operate that way"


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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 19:29
It's all pretty interesting. The Daily Star (low brow rag) has an online site and they are amazing at bending things a bit. I've seen headlines such as "Wills and Kates baby joy" which links to a story how they are really happy for some friends of theirs and went to their baby shower. Hmmm. And that was front page news. On a national newspaper...

On the other hand I also remember watching the film Fargo. It says at some point (can't remember if beginning or end) that it is a true story. So intrigued by the plot I looked it up. No it isn't. Not at all. Apparently they just said that to make it more interesting. When the actors asked about where they could find out more info about this true story they were really surprised to find it was made up. Surely not allowed??? Nope is totally allowed. It's a work of fiction so you can say whatever you want. Otherwise there would be no fairy stories from a long long time ago in a far away place... I mean Star Wars, not the other *much* more bannable one...

And now to watch a totally realistic based on true stories episode of Ghost hunters or whatever...

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 19:44
People still *watch* the news?

I do listen to NPR, but that's as far as I go. For all my other news, I get it from hacker news and pinboard.in popular, with the occasional bits coming from google news feed.

Faux? Pleeaaasseee.


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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 22:57
Quote: "People still *watch* the news?"


Yeah...but just so me and my father can disagree with them.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 23:03
I'm tired of THIS happening:



Then again, doesn't it defeat the purpose of getting readers, if you not using a flashy headline? I'd be like making the headline the same font size as the article, news papers have to use tricks to get reads (especially now when, oh I don't know, 5% of the population still reads newspapers)


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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 23:04 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 23:06
I do turn on the news in the morning, but all I watch is the ticker along the bottom. That way, I can see the headlines without any opinion attached, and if I see something I want more info on, I can pull it up online.

News today is mostly opinion and drama. If you're old enough or intelligent enough to formulate your own opinion based on your knowledge and experience, you really don't need anything but the headlines.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 00:02
I still prefer RSS feeds over everything.


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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 01:06 Edited at: 5th Oct 2011 01:12
It troubles me what constitutes news. Today the news was "A 52 year old man has died in a horrific car accident. A husband and wife have been jailed for torturing a man, making him drink bleach etc, he was so distressed by the ordeal and so desperate for it to end that he stabbed himself five times and died." - I then switched off. Why the hell does anyone want to know or need to know this horrid information?

Why do we need to know about random people who have died and rapes and murders? What are we supposed to do with that information other than feel depressed? If I was a relative of a victim of rape or murder I wouldn't want it beamed out to the entire world. What good does it do anyone?

Where is the real news? I didn't even hear about CERN apparently discovering time travel! They fired a neutrino all the way from Switzerland to Italy and as I've heard (from my dad not the news) it arrived a fraction of a second BEFORE it was sent! I'll have to look into that.

Why can't we hear about inspiring stuff like that? People achieving things, people helping their communities. Why do we only hear about the worst of everything that's happening?

I can understand major events like terrorist attacks, natural disasters and even that motorway accident a mentioned, because those things effect lots of people and/or have political implications that the public must be informed of by right. However, we don't need to hear about isolated incidents, people die every day, bad things happen but why focus on those when they are of no consequence to the wider public? Why not deliver news that is inspirational instead? Or does the government/media want us to be miserable and apathetic?

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 06:39
NEWS = LIE = STORY = TRUE = LIE = TIME WASTED = REALISATION YOU WASTED TIME = TRUE

So all news is True?

>.<

But yeah... its all just to catch your attention

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 09:35
Quote: "Why do we need to know about random people who have died and rapes and murders? What are we supposed to do with that information other than feel depressed? If I was a relative of a victim of rape or murder I wouldn't want it beamed out to the entire world. What good does it do anyone?"


The man has a point, and I've always thought the same. News like that has only served to reduce my opinion of people and society as a whole. It's the whole "How can someone do that? What is wrong with people?" feeling.

The only time I can see it being a benefit to viewers is when a criminal is still on the lose, or it's an issue which could directly affect people (increase in gang violence on your local street, for example). Otherwise, it only serves to damage all of us.

Lets go and brutally stab all news reporters! Oh no, I'm being misquoted. I really said 'tickle them'.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 09:53
I used to watch the news on TV regularly, but I grew tired of the dramatic, flashy story titles and the dragging out of little insignificant stories. For the most part I just pick out the occasional article now on the CNN iPad app.

Manipulating news is grossly irresponsible, but who values being responsible?
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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 10:55
Quote: "Why do we need to know about random people who have died and rapes and murders? What are we supposed to do with that information other than feel depressed? If I was a relative of a victim of rape or murder I wouldn't want it beamed out to the entire world. What good does it do anyone?"


Some people like that however, the real problem lies in the fact that if lets say you were sexually harrassed then the news will say you were brutally raped.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 11:18
Quote: "Which paper was that Steve?"


It was the Sun, I believe, the one that started the whole MRSA scare. Their Scientist (who incidentally worked from his garden shed) subsequently died in a mysterious car accident. He was at a very low point in his life after becoming the scapegoat. He allegedly crashed, but his state of mind is in question.

The four main points about this scare are:

1. About a third of humans are hosts to MRSA right now
2. Pretty much everything has MRSA on it to one degree or another
3. The strain of MRSA found by this report was Australian, the result of cross-contamination.
4. The scare - although it had no basis in truth - had to be contained by spending excessive amounts of cash. As a result, people will have died through lack of funds and resources elsewhere.

So these hyped up stories aren't just harmless sensationalism, they can kill. I don't buy tabloids, I'm not funding their underhand, sleazy tactics that affect real lives.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 12:15 Edited at: 5th Oct 2011 12:16
The Sun is probably the worst Newspaper in the UK, not only are their stories untrue, but just idiotically blown out of proporition. The News holds a lot of responsibility because it claims to factual and hence people will believe what they see, read and hear on the news. But actually its made to sell, its a product and hey, articles on how horrible dangerous MRSA allegedly is can sell a newspaper.

We have newspapers that sell on paranoia, the Daily Mail is another, I usd this example before in another discussion, but they were the ones claiming Google can now spy on us and Google street view is suddenly a great tool for stalkers, even though it's about as useful to a stalker as an atlas. The article was full of idiocy and paranoia, however, people are gonna believe that BS.

Also, they have a knack for hurting people's reputation, I remember when suspects for the London bombing were caught The Sun's headline was, "GOT THE BASTARDS" claiming we had the bombers, at the time I remember thinking, "what if it turns out they were actually innoncent? As they're just suspects after all". IIRC luckily they were guilty, but that doesn't change because they didn't know as no descision had been made as to whether or not they were guilty at the time.


The New Media can be very political too and I am often worried about how they affect the votes through manipulation of the facts. Because they will do anything to make their favoured party/politicians look good and their opposition look bad and given we know certain sources of news, particularly tabloids are just sensationalist and not completely straight or honest about the facts, I NEVER use the political points raised in the news to base my opinions and any political figure. A clever technique is to create the illusion that they're balanced so the audience thinks they're getting both sides of the story.

I find journalists can be just as corrupt as politicians, but at the end of the day the commercialised media is about making money not offering a public service. So I don't trust everything I read or hear, unless I can actually find reliable information.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 13:20
Quote: "It was the Sun"


Makes perfect sense! I remember the scare, but not the perpetrators of it. I'm not surprised it was the Sun's band wagon.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 17:07
NOTW = was THE SUN not owned by the same group that now got shut down?

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 18:35
News of the World was (until obviously shutting down after their persistent illegal activities) and The Sun is owned by News International, the newspaper division of News Corporation, all of which are owned by media giant Rupert Murdoch.

You can the impressive list of media he has holdings with in News Corporation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation#Holdings

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 19:37
NC was what I meant lol thanks - Seppuku

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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 23:10
press is a weapon. Those who controll the press can control nations.

They say Murdoch (whatever his name goes like)is the most powerful man in the world because he controls some of the biggest news sourses in the world. (i read he even owns fox news does he?)

anyway, i also read somewhere that someone or even Murdoch himself openly said that he controled US, UK and Australia for a while as his funding and newspapers. influenced the masses and put favored people in power. in these countries and proboly other countries too. So its no wonder headlines are manipulated as some people are too lazy to read the article and read just the headline (i am one of these people).

I cant really confirm how true this info is as i read it several months ago but i wouldnt be surprised if this is infact true because, mass media and news sourses have been one of the greatest instruments of control over the masses all over the world especially in the 20th century.


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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 00:11 Edited at: 6th Oct 2011 00:11
@PAGAN

Just saying...



Just saying...

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Quote: "(i read he even owns fox news does he?)"


Yes he does.

The media has a lot of power, at least to those willing to trust it and unfortunately a lot of people do. As I've said, they can be just as corrupt as politicians (heck anybody in the world can be corrupts as politicians ).

Bear in mind 'language' is one of the most powerful tools man possesses. Of course it gives no reason to be paranoid and suddenly start assuming everybody is corrupt like some half-baked conspiracy theorist, but just be mindful of what you see and hear. Not everybody is not a BSer after all, just as not all politicians are corrupt nor are all journalists nor are all people.

Some people can be very convincing, and I am immediately reminded of the call we got the other day from somebody who was apparently from some part of the government and they sounded extremely genuine, claiming our names had ended up on several advertising registers (we've been getting a LOT of telemarketers) and they wanted to know if we wanted it to be removed and the pitch sounded very genuine up until the point they needed a part of our bank details (they didn't want a security code for obvious security reasons) as part of the verification process. Given how genuine they came across I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people fell for it, as not everybody is as skeptical.

Salesmen have to learn how to sell a product to somebody, one thing I was expected to learn was to 'upsize' a sale, so when somebody's interested in a product and they want the 'cheaper' option, you turn it around and try to make them spend as much money as possible and I got praise for successfully upselling an iPod - from a NaNo to an iPod Touch and she felt it was her decision, although it was just salesman tactics. I can't say given the kind of person I am that I liked doing that and although I hate being unemployed I am glad I didn't last long doing that job. But it's not that difficult to manipulate somebody through the use of language.

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@ MrValentine you saw nothing


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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 01:49
Probably best to keep it about the news rather than politics. Though I keep using the phrase 'corrupt as politicians', but we have a pretty good scale of how corrupt politicians have been and also how uncorrupt they've been and I figure it's a good for the use of an analogy.

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They own Fox, apparently. Well, it all makes sense now.
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MrValentine: yes, i was rather unsure wether i could post this or not, but i took the shot and did x)


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The only good news source is The Daily Show with John Stewart. He's only biased on the side of comedy... his only agenda is making people laugh at the crazy truth about politics.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/286243/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-wed-oct-5-2011#play-queued-show-by-original_premiere_date-asc

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Quote: "The only good news source is The Daily Show with John Stewart. He's only biased on the side of comedy... his only agenda is making people laugh at the crazy truth about politics."

Lame I can't watch because I'm not in the USA.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 02:52 Edited at: 7th Oct 2011 02:53
What? I didn't know there were limits on Hulu videos like that.

I actually get the same thing when I try to watch Dr. Who episodes online... I don't get to see them since I'm in America.

Try his official site:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/

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Hulu was coming to the UK but failed to get the agreements and just pulled out. I remember them promising a release daye waaaay back, it didn't come to fruition and just ended up as a failure in general.


At least we get Spotify for music and OnLive came to the UK last month, though my village has a crappy internet set up, so I can't possibly meet OnLive's minimal requirements.

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@PAGAN, huh? what? where? who? did you see that? damn that was Quik



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I go to The Onion for all of my news. The most trusted source.

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@Seppuku Arts:

That's terrible. I think it's a major crime to treat internet video like DVD regions. It shouldn't matter if you're in Europe. You should be able to watch any show made in America (and I should be able to watch my favorite show since I was 10). I don't see why they would even stop it... chances are that most of the commercials are for products available in Europe too.

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I think it was over failed negotiations, I know that's why they were taking longer than expected, but I don't think an actual reason was given, or at least the source I read a while back didn't give one. If any of this is BS, it'd be great evidence for the thread topic . So some UK TV companies might not have liked the idea, BBC already have iPlayer, ITV have their own player as does Channel 4 (4oD) and Sky TV subscribers have access to Sky On Demand (which is very limited, except the movies :S).

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the heck did i do?


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Quote: "the heck did i do?"




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I see what you did there!

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