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Geek Culture / Stop Online Piracy Act Threatens To Take Away You Basic Internet RIghts

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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 00:48 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2011 10:10
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Hello! A bill was introduced a little while back in the US, and it is called SOPA, or Stop Online Piracy Act. If it passes, it will block any website capable of hosting copy righted information. This means websites such as Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, the forums here, and many other sites could become censored or even blocked. This doesnt affect just Americans, it affects the entire planet. Read up on it, and let's hope it doesnt pass...

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Well an American bill can't affect the whole world as far as the law is concerned I believe, as many countries have different policies when it comes to copyright, there so far has been great deal of opposition to this bill and while it's gaining some kind of momentum it doesn't seam to be heading toward being passed as far as I can tell.

It's mainly been designed to combat shared streaming I think; as it doesn't count as a breach of piracy but it is essentially broadcasting a paid for movie or program for free. However the method they've chosen is complete overkill.

I'm completely opposed to the bill and I hope that nothing comes from it


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I believe it actually could affect the whole world because many hosts and servers are located in the US.

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It won't stop the piracy. They'll simply relocate the servers to outside of the US. Legit servers will just move to outside the US if the rules are too strict, and basically the US will have lost lots of business.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 01:54 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2011 01:58
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Exactly, the servers are largely based in the US. It wont solve the problem, and it will just create another problem likely on the magnitude of 10 times worse. All major Internet companies are opposed to it as well. There was supposed to be a vote today however it was postponed for a little under a month, so hopefully by that time it will be very clear to the government people that it wouldnt be good for them to pass. I believe the government needs to get their noses out of our lives, and let us take care of ourselves. We dont need a group of government people to tell us what we can and cant do.

Anyway, i like what the bill is aimed to do, as piracy is a big issue and needs to be addressed. However, as mentioned above, the method they have chosen to take care of the issue is just un-comprehensibly stupid. In a video of a hearing on the matter, most of the people speaking used the phrase "im no tech expert but..." or 'i dont know a thing about computers but..." at least once. Why are they deciding this stuff when they havent a clue what a computer is??!?!?!

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US has been know to set precedents for new laws around the world, basically with politicians it's monkey see, monkey do.

Your slow to the ball though. May want to research a little more

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 02:27
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Ah that first link is a welcome sight!

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 03:06
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So can someone catch me up on this thing? What ever happened to Protect IP act? Is SOPA a more evil version of that bill? What chances does this law have at passing?

I really dont want this law to pass even tho i live in russia, Since our government has always been a copycat of whatever the west does, so even if it will be 10-20 years later, something like this will pass in russia, and now that its looking Pretty bad for Putins Regime, whoever will be in power next in russia might consider a similar law.

For example, last year as the west gave up on "war on drugs" Russia started its own war on drugs. Same could happen with this piracy act.

Ive decided since i am still a US citisen, i can proboly vote in the US embassy so i might end up doing that for the sake of preventing anyone in the US office who will support any idea of such a law.

can anyone point me to who should i vote for if i want to prevent such acts from being approved? (also the whole law where any US citisen can be detained without trial, i want to help prevent that also)


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 03:47
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Quote: "Is SOPA a more evil version of that bill?"
That's precisely what it is. Both bills still exist, however both actually seem rather unlikely to pass due to the overwhelming amount of people that are strongly opposed to it passing... Actually, the bad one is less likely to pass than the better-ish one, as far as i know...

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A website should be held responsible if its not doing anything about blatant copyright infringement. That being said, screwing with the DNS is not a good idea at all, and I'm glad the bill didn't pass - although secretly I kind of wish it did, to prove that it would not be the end of freedom and democracy as we know it.

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Quote: "A website should be held responsible if its not doing anything about blatant copyright infringement. That being said, screwing with the DNS is not a good idea at all, and I'm glad the bill didn't pass - although secretly I kind of wish it did, to prove that it would not be the end of freedom and democracy as we know it."

It hasn't been up for a vote yet.

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Quote: "Hello! A bill was introduced a little while back in the US, and it is called SOPA, or Stop Online Piracy Act. If it passes, it will block any website capable of hosting copy righted information. This means websites such as Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, the forums here, and many other sites could become censored or even blocked. This doesnt affect just Americans, it affects the entire planet. Read up on it, and let's hope it doesnt pass..."


nope, but since facebook, twitter, google, youtube etc are STATIONED in USA they can shut them all down.

And thus, BECAUSE OF THAT, because we all use those sites we will all be affected by it.


This law is utter bullshoe.


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You are right, my mistake.

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Remember to stay optimistic though. The reason the vote was postponed from today was because of the government receiving the letters from companies. One government dude said it was postponed because the american people's concern was legit. So, at least we know the government knows that we DO NOT want this to pass. When first introduced, they say the bill was most likely going to pass, but now they say the chances are quite a bit lower.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2011 16:28 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2011 16:42
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I am dissapointed to hear that Intel and DELL is a supporter of SOPA. (this might be wrong info correct me if i am wrong about the above.

I am glad however that microsoft seemes to be opposing this bill but i dont know the reason why exactly is MS opposing it. I have grown to like MS a lot since win7 and i would really hate them to support something as evil as SOPA. I heard its because Microsoft actually takes advantage if piracy to get the advertising for the products / software out there and according to the internet, People who pirate microsoft stuff do end up buying the real thing eventuually. So thinking of it that way it would make sence that microsoft is making more money from piracy than they would if this law passed.

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57346592-281/how-sopas-circumvention-ban-could-put-a-target-on-tor/

Ok i just read that a section of SOPA talks about making TOR networking Illegal! This is just completley ridiculous. Tor would be too slow to use as a good platform for large scale piracy. The thing was developed by US military as a secure way to exchange info. Tor is used by jornalists, dissidents, and applied in situations like if someone wants to bypass Chinese censorship, Making TOR (and other tunneling software) illegal is just really stupid and way over their heads.

What next? they will make VPN networks illegal?

neither SOPA not PIPA or anything close to the idea of sensoring internet like this should have a breath of a chance of getting trough.


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Quote: "the end of freedom and democracy as we know it"


Haha...
Yeah, it is not really democracy, it is just something we know as, and call democracy. I feel it wasn't intentional, but good point nonetheless.

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Actually, Microsoft and Apple are part of the Business Software Alliance, which is lobbying FOR Sopa.
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Well i never liked apple anyway and i never bought any of their products so thats fine with me.
But according to the news microsoft is quietly against it even if they were originally for it. I read the did support the PIPA before Sopa was introduced. I think if Microsoft wants to keep their good reputation with their customers and avoid sliding back into the "evil corporate empire" title after working so hard to change their policies to for the past few years that moves MS away from the evil corporation logo, then they would do well to stop supporting the SOPA act. I consider MS a lot smarter company than most of the mainstreeam who support SOPA. And i think MS knows well what would happen if this law passes.


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Quote: "Actually, Microsoft and Apple are part of the Business Software Alliance, which is lobbying FOR Sopa."


Wow, wow, just wow, good job there.


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wait apple?... business software? something dosent add up. i thought business software was for boaring business PCs running microsoft and apple is all about fun stuff like i-tunes, i-photo and i-movie.

what am i missing here?


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Quote: "Actually, Microsoft and Apple are part of the Business Software Alliance, which is lobbying FOR Sopa."

Not quite. Seems that they've changed their minds.

Techdirt seems to be the only site that has continuous and somewhat objective coverage of the SOPA/PIPA debate. They usually have facts to support their arguments and the posts are very thorough.

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That is a good link! If this passes, it will show the gov't's stupidity and ignorance. However, i dont believe even the most stupid of governments such as ours would pass this...

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so this business software allince which was intended to support SOPA is now backing down too?
Also kinda funny hearing that before BSA backed off apple fans were angry with Apples support for SOPA. Glad that even apple fans kept their breains together... who thought of this anyway? you gotta be pretty dumb. Even the chinese government dont do that kind of censorship.

But on the other hand, sure Let SOPA pass and make it into a law... I want to see what happens after that....

Considering how ridiculous this bill is, it will likley be selectivley enforced which will give the illusion that nothing has changed exept for some websites here and there get blocked and a video gets taken down here and there. Most of the internet might not even notice because there is no way they are stupid enough to use the full power of SOPA as soon as it passes. But maybe they ARE this stupid. This oght to be fun to watch


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Posted: 23rd Dec 2011 03:16 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2011 09:47
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Quote: "But maybe they ARE this stupid."
Im airing on this side of things.
Quote: "This oght to be fun to watch"
Not so much.


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Quote: "Considering how ridiculous this bill is, it will likley be selectivley enforced which will give the illusion that nothing has changed exept for some websites here and there get blocked and a video gets taken down here and there. Most of the internet might not even notice because there is no way they are stupid enough to use the full power of SOPA as soon as it passes. But maybe they ARE this stupid. This oght to be fun to watch"

I doubt it, based on the media companies' track records. They abuse the DMCA as-is, why wouldn't they abuse the power given to them by SOPA?

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Found this kinda interesting:

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Quote: "I doubt it, based on the media companies' track records. They abuse the DMCA as-is, why wouldn't they abuse the power given to them by SOPA?
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because the masses are already angry and its generally not a good idea to get entire populations riled up against them


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Musicians really should start giving up on the piracy front: As a musician you must start realizing that you need to go LIVE to make MONEY, depending on records really ISNT an option other than putting the tracks on spotify and smile


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