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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 12:04 Edited at: 29th Dec 2011 12:31
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Right, so I got BF3 for christmas (Battlefield 3 for those who doesnt know) and, since people have praised this game to heaven, my expectations were really high.

First off, this rant(or something) is mostly going to be aimed at this whole, COD VS BF3 thingy.

alright, lets kick it off:
The game is great, there isnt really any doubt about it. Its graphically impressive as shoe and i really feel like SHOES ARE ABOUT TO GO DOWN all the time, the explotions are just... wonderfull and I really get this war feeling.
Game is awesome.
But... what I have heard is this: THIS GAME IS AWESOME AND COD IS CRAP.

well, I dont get that point because, when iam playing BF3, I.... Okay, lets take away the veichles and make the maps smaller in BF3, what do we got? A cod clone.

BF3 ISNT A COMPLETLY NEW GAME
it is the same as cod, with vehicles, WHY do people keep saying cod is MINDLESS GAME WHERE YOU JUST DIE AND RESPAWN

when BF3 is essentially the same?
Spawn timer: about 8-10 seconds
in cod: 4
what do i do in BF3? i run, shoot and die (often from someone i dont see, or a tank)
in cod? i run, shoot and die (from soneone i dont see)
.....
Dont get me wrong, i love BF3 and i have played it non-stop from last sunday currently rank 13 and its awesome..

which brings me to the next point: iam VERY dissappoint with this whole destruction system.
Its very.... not soo free: if i shoot an explosive on a wall, the whole wall goes, NEVER have i seen a small part of it go off, and EVERYTHING which can be destroyed, is made out of concrete.. so yeah, destruction -> overrated as shoe.


but the game certanly looks gorgeous, and thanks to the vehicles it feels like a war game.

now, lets get on another point usually made by BF3 players to praise their game to heaven: "" BF3 IS SO MUCH MORE REALISTIC THAN COD""....

really now? h- WHAT?!
I dont even know where to start here, in BF3: you throw HEALTH PACKAGES /health picups\ which makes everyone closeby REGENERATE health.. and you slowly regenerate health anyway..

you can take x amount of damage and the way damage work is the same as in any other game (3 shots unless in head (and usually 1-2 shots in the head))

BF3 really, isnt anymore realistic, in ANY aspect than COD or any other game.
other than falling bullets...


BF3 and COD is, basicly, clones of each other, yet people praise BF3 to heaven, because it has vehicles and nice graphics? Come on people, thats utter bullcrap. The maps are bigger -> making you live longer -> takes away a small amount of the arcady feeling but thats about it.

You want an realistic game? play RED ORCHESTRA 2. thats realism at its greatest, a single shot can kill you, you have NO CROSSHAIR, you dont have health pickups etc etc


I guess this will be a pain to read...

My point?

BF3 isnt anymore realistic than COD, but IN MY OPINION, its a lot more fun: It has bigger maps, vehicles and more room for teamwork

but COD isnt a worse game, by any means. In fact, I love cod too, its a great arcade shooter.


edit: oh shoot wrong forum lol, can a mod move it to geek culture? >_>

edit: thanks for moving it


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Welcome to the world of fanboyism, where what you like is perfect but what's different is completely and utterly wrong. It exists over several different mediums, don't expect it to be intelligent or logical, because at the end of the day you're talking about raving lunatics.

What fanboys tend to realise is that different things work for and appeal to different people. If everybody and everything was the same then by Merlin's beard we'd be living in a boring world!

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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 12:36
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Quote: "BF3 really, isnt anymore realistic, in ANY aspect than COD or any other game.
other than falling bullets..."


Now Quik, that's a daft statement... BF3's adhesion to the laws of gravity doesn't make it any more realistic.

For me, dropping bullets makes a big difference to how dynamic a round of BF3 is. For instance, playing with my brother yesterday, in a game I got 10k/2d, he got 2k/10d - but he still scored more XP and placed ahead of me on the leaderboard, capturing and defending checkpoints has a bigger influence on the battle than just killing more dudes. The bullet drop means that you need skill to snipe someone, if you don't have the range then you have to move in, and really when you snipe someone in the face from miles away, or get in close and take down a tank with C4, it's far more rewarding than anything I've experienced in COD. Even the mortars in BF3 need a bit of skill. BF3 is a much more realistic battle experience, COD is more like paintball.

When I play COD, I feel like a disorientated rat; I run around shooting at people while getting shot in the back, there's not as much strategy or teamwork. The level design in COD seems to push the players around the map, I honestly find that about as much fun as a treadmill.

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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 12:40
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yes indeed Van B, BF3 does have more depth than COD, like getting points for healing, ressing and the like

And the maps are what really makes it stick away from cod, because theyre a lot bigger (which in cod would feel awkward, because of the lack of vehicles)

But i cannot for the life of the call BF3 a realistic game, but the fact that bullets do drop does make it feel more dynamic yes and i do certanly like it.


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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 12:49 Edited at: 29th Dec 2011 12:51
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Teamwork is entire focus of Bf3. You have a reason for being in a squad and working together.

While cod, well yeah cod is a paint-balling sim with guns, you can do it all yourself and 'lonewolf' it.

In a nut shell BF3 for tactical play, MWF3 for run an gun.
An yes i do play both games and have clocked at least 100 or so hours on each MW and 70 on Bf3.

Also, check choke points with different ammo types. They all do different amount of damage to walls and cover.


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Call of Duty is not the F-in grandfather, of the freakin FPS genre.

And World War II. is not its very own storyline, it has actually happened.

I hate that todays generation has memory capabilities back to 5 years in the past at best, and this life is getting faster bullcrap, and all the tendencies that's going on with growing ignorance and stupidity, god i just hate people...

-In.Dev.X: A unique heavy story based shoot'em ~35%
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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 13:15 Edited at: 29th Dec 2011 13:17
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Quote: "Call of Duty is not the grandfather, of the freakin FPS genre."


never heard anyone actually say that.. ever :I

Quote: "And World War II. is not its very own storyline, it has actually happened."


is it wrong to use imagination to draw inspiration from WW2 and make an storyline BASED on WW2?

Quote: "Teamwork is entire focus of Bf3. You have a reason for being in a squad and working together. "


first thing i did was that i joined a squad, habit from nuclear dawn x) but yes, you also get rewarded from being in a squad, which is great.


and I LOVE THE EXPLOTIONS in BF3, and the shaking of the camera + the light that explotions give away


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Most of the problems with BF3 are EA's fault. The game was intended to be primarily developed for PC but then Sony Bribed EA to move the development to the PS3. (Obviously because COD and Microsoft have done the same thing) They then forced DICE to make stupid features to get players from COD to BF3 (Team deathmatch, regenerative healt, operation metro). My friends brother got hierd by DICE as a playtester because he has played a lot of COD and to "inprove" team deathmatch.

Then they forced them to release the highly unfinished game at the preset release date to beat MW3. My firend says that the playtesters begged to EA to delay the release but didn't do it.

Even after release EA keeps screwing up the game. PS3 gets back to karkand 1 week early, They even get patches early for some reason. EA want the patches to get released on all platforms at the same time > PC has to wait for Microsoft and Sony's month long aproval processes. And they only released 2 patches with minor fixes. Commorose is still not finished, not by a long shot!

And the last thing im going to rant about is origin. At first I didn't mind it but when back to karkand was released, it was included in the patch released one week earlier (origin couldn't handle DLC) Wich was part of the reason EA wanted to use origin. And whey karkand was released One week after PS3 got it. EA's origin server crashed the entire login was down for 12 hours. While DICE's servers still worked. if you managed to get past origin by going into offline mode you could play the game online.

FU EA. Allso I got a warning on the battlelog forum for writhing FU EA
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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 14:47
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I dont want origin at all, give me Steam D': and the whole internet menu is rather crap aswell >_>

I do wish they had the ability to duck and run at the same time (like in RO2) since i feel handicapped now...

Also i wish they gave me the option to get rid of the crosshair :/

and:
Quote: "Team deathmatch, regenerative healt, operation metro"


having more options in term of gameplay is hardly a bad design choice


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Quote: "Okay, lets take away the veichles and make the maps smaller in BF3, what do we got? A cod clone."

Am i going to be the first to say that the BF series had the foothold in the multiplayer shooter market way before COD did? I for one have always loved Battlefield more than COD, but I do play both. They are both offering very different gameplay experiences. Sure, battlefield isn't a simulation shooter, but it was never intending to be. It's intending to be that middle ground between the twitch shooting of COD and the realism of Red Orchestra and i think it cracked it quite well.
I've always thought of COD as the cheesy, explosion filled action flicks of the 80s. You are there for nothing more than gratuitous violence and lots of killing, which is great but sometimes you need more. Battlefield has always offered more in the ways of teamwork and the game generally doesn't feel unfair.
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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 15:00 Edited at: 29th Dec 2011 15:03
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Quote: "I've always thought of COD as the cheesy, explosion filled action flicks of the 80s."


you do realize, there about 3x the amount of explotions in bf3 than cod?...

Quote: "Sure, battlefield isn't a simulation shooter, but it was never intending to be. It's intending to be that middle ground between the twitch shooting of COD and the realism of Red Orchestra and i think it cracked it quite well."


Now in my rant I was pointing the gun at the fanboys that uses realism as a reason to why its better than cod, but I cant say it got the realism that RO has.
in RO2 (never played original RO) you have to be EXTREMELY careful, just looking out the window might be the last thing you do, every shot is lethal, and the shots deal damage equal to where they hit: if they hit in the chest or head then you are most likely dead, legs, arms etc and you might survive, you feel weak, you feel like you NEED others to survive, you also have a stamina bar (which you can actually push a bit), bullets fall, sidearms are pretty much useless (although they do one hit- however their aim and flexibility is pretty much crap)

Only bad thing about RO2 is lack of vehicles (just tanks >_>


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Realistic? I don't think I could attach C4 onto a buggy, drive it toward a tank and blow the tank up that way in real life. P

Quote: "FU EA. Allso I got a warning on the battlelog forum for writhing FU EA "


What did you think was going to happen?

Anyways, BF3 gets incredibly boring if you just play in pubs game after game. You have so little influence in what happens, that if you don't play with a full squad of clanmates or friends, then you get bored because you can barely effect how the game ends.
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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 18:37
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Quote: "having more options in term of gameplay is hardly a bad design choice"


I never said that (or maybe I did) What I meant was that EA forced DICE to focus on beating COD and get sales. The game wasn't finished and instead of finishing basic BF features like commorose and a working squad system they created TDM and made the gameplay more "Run and gun"

Quote: "you do realize, there about 3x the amount of explotions in bf3 than cod?..."


It has nicer explosions but not more. In evry non WW2 COD game you launch or get blown up by a nuke or atleast some kind of "super weapon".

Quote: "You are there for nothing more than gratuitous violence and lots of killing"


I couldn't agree more, the airport mission, stealing a Nuclear submarine, the best killstreak is the biggest bomb.


At 5:44
Using this much C4 on a door in a submarine, then standing less than one meter from it when it goes of, would likley kill you and sink the entire sub. Then you head into the controllroom and kill evryone, take their launch keys and launch all the nukes from the sub. Most likley at friendly teretory
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Quote: "It has nicer explosions but not more. In evry non WW2 COD game you launch or get blown up by a nuke or atleast some kind of "super weapon". "


I hardly call the nuke in cod an explotion..


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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 18:54
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Quote: "BF3 ISNT A COMPLETLY NEW GAME
it is the same as cod, with vehicles, WHY do people keep saying cod is MINDLESS GAME WHERE YOU JUST DIE AND RESPAWN

when BF3 is essentially the same?
Spawn timer: about 8-10 seconds
in cod: 4
what do i do in BF3? i run, shoot and die (often from someone i dont see, or a tank)
in cod? i run, shoot and die (from soneone i dont see)
....."


Because BF3 is a Squad-Based shooter, which requires you to use teamwork to work towards a particular goal (including benifiting your teammates with ammo/heath/squad benefits)

CoD is just a "lone wolf" shooter with people mindlessly running around.

, BUT

the catch is, it's that BF3 had new elements to it before, the only reason people hate CoD is because if you've ever played the last modernwarefare games you'll realize that CoD MW3 is just an exact clone of it's predecessors.


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Posted: 29th Dec 2011 19:20 Edited at: 29th Dec 2011 19:24
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Quote: "Call of Duty is not the F-in grandfather, of the freakin FPS genre.

And World War II. is not its very own storyline, it has actually happened.

I hate that todays generation has memory capabilities back to 5 years in the past at best, and this life is getting faster bullcrap, and all the tendencies that's going on with growing ignorance and stupidity, god i just hate people...
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Hug?

I agree with the lack of history knowledge in most people... not saying anyone on the forum just in general... people see 5 metres in front of them not beyond that...

and I also hate it when you get killed by some rogue shadow...

I heard a lot about RO and I think I should give it a try or maybe just watch some videos lol...

Eitherway I think a mod needs to put the funny FLAME tag on this thread lol just for fun

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Highlighted aformentioned hug quote point.

EDIT

I dislike COD [mmmm chips with that please] but 2 was fun... not MW but CoD2 ...one too... but I did like playing against bots in Black Ops I know many say it as crap but I found it fun trying to head shot everyone lol

I know I am sad playing against bots but I enjoy not being slaughtered by a 15 year old that has nothing but time on his hands... I do however love playing public on CS : S

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Quote: " the only reason people hate CoD is because if you've ever played the last modernwarefare games you'll realize that CoD MW3 is just an exact clone of it's predecessors."


with the only thing being that they removed nuke, revamped the killing streak system, added two new killing streak systems, added new and removed perks etc and basicly made the combat bearable? Alright.


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Quote: "the catch is, it's that BF3 had new elements to it before, the only reason people hate CoD is because if you've ever played the last modernwarefare games you'll realize that CoD MW3 is just an exact clone of it's predecessors."


Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it depends what the players are expecting from each instalment. I can just think of a few games out there that went to pot because they strayed away to do avoid being a clone, but actually detract away from what makes them interesting. Call of Duty single player seems heavily plot based and incredibly cinematic, so I would probably argue that what people would expect is not something brand spanking new in terms of game play or some new impressive feature to make it's gameplay different from the last but rather a continuation - like the next instalment of a film or a book.

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can't we just all agree that they're both terrible games, and that activision needs to get neversoft into gear making a genuinely decent tony hawk game, and DICE/EA needs to make mirror's edge 2?

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while i do agree with you Bugsy, atleast the part about mirrors edge, they arent terrible, neither of them are bad. I love both BF3 and COD MW 2


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I saw the title and looked over to the right, looks like you got BF3 after all Quik!

I otherwise don't want to get involved in this discussion. I can feel the heat of flames... Though the two games do overlap a lot, BF3 does seem to strech out in to the good old battlefield territory that COD doesn't touch. You get both games in one with BF3. Honestly, neither can match BF1942, anyone in agreement?

Also, I didn't know you never played the original RO Quik, you didn't miss out RO2 is great though.

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Quote: "neither can match BF1942, anyone in agreement?"


For me it was Vietnam... the original... stand alone one... shame they never further developed it... it was ace...

ME2 yes please!!

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Quote: "I otherwise don't want to get involved in this discussion. I can feel the heat of flames"


I think it's just your avatar.

At the moment I don't think there's anything heated, everybody's got their opinions of the games, just as long as it doesn't turn into a fanboy based argument then all should be good in the hood.

With anything it's all about the people who enjoy playing them, obviously nobody's ever gonna please everyone, but as long as we have a choice between what we do like and what we don't like then we all win.

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BF2 was the game for me, For a while I thought that BF3 would live up to it, B2K has gone a long way though. I just hope they fix Comorose
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Quote: "I saw the title and looked over to the right, looks like you got BF3 after all Quik! "


I did this too, and my thoughts exactly lol I have it too ^^

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I've never had a preference over either. Mainly due tO the reasons previously stated. However, regardless of how good I am at bc2, I plain suck at bf3. For some reason I feel cheat almost every time I get fragged. The most common example is when I approach an unsuspecting enemy from behind with an r870. What I've discovered is that 3 shots to the head doesn't seem to do the job. Especially after they've turned around and fragged me with one shot with their super weapon (ump45)

I would be happy to blame my Internet but I have no such issues in cod or bc.

There's my rant

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Edit: I actually stopped playing it altogether as I can never get in the same squad, or even the same team as my friends. I actually still enjoy bc2 more than I ever did in bf3. Opinions opinions

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Quote: "with the only thing being that they removed nuke, revamped the killing streak system, added two new killing streak systems, added new and removed perks etc and basicly made the combat bearable? Alright."


Nuke is a killstreak. The few different killstreak options are not worthy of being called "systems". So basically they just changed some killstreaks and perks, called it a new game and sold it to you for $100.

And bearable combat? I lol'd

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Im guessi g COD is going to die soon, and whwn it does, BF will take i's place, and then I will have to find a new series
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I'm sure if people are still willing to pay money for them then they'll keep making them.

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Quote: "Nuke is a killstreak. The few different killstreak options are not worthy of being called "systems". So basically they just changed some killstreaks and perks, called it a new game and sold it to you for $100. "


and BF3 did new from previous game?

edit: may i ask, what exactly would you expect from a new game then?


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I can only say... BF3 is a farshot from 2142 which was the last BF game I played andown... I only ever played a DEMO of BF2 ages ago and it does feel the same... only much more detailed and vaster...

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Quote: "I only ever played a DEMO of BF2 ages ago and it does feel the same... only much more detailed and vaster..."


edit: nevermind

edit: well, IF thats the case then thats rather dissappointing isnt it? since so many people are saying the difference is huuge


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haha you figured what was going to say next lol

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Battlefield vs COD, cool.

Has anyone mentioned that in COD you get killed by computer AI all the time? I read most of the above posts but not all.

If you are killed by a helicopter in battlefield, as annoying as it may be, at least you know someone was in it. COD is poor in this respect imo.

Random spawns in COD rather than gaining ground in Battlefield, another tick for battlefield for me.

That said, COD is a lot of fun, Battlefield is only better if you enjoy playing it more, which I do, but many don't


EDIT: Talking multi-player by the way, don't really play the single player modes much.

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though most killstreaks are player controlled, Matty H, just a few of them are AI controlled, as far as iam aware


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i played the MW series and liked it. Altho MW3 campaign was awesome, i feel like they could have done a lot more to make it better. BF3 campaign was also great but sortof disapointing as i expected a much bigger/better storyline

as far as the single player campaigns go, my favorite is CoD Blackops.


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I actuallyy never finished MW2, although i SHOULD because i have heard ALOT of it...

as far as BF3 campaign goes i havnet tried too much..
(i tried it at HARD difficulty and i got absolutly kicked in the shoe!)


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swissolo
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 18:13 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 18:13
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Quote: "(i tried it at HARD difficulty and i got absolutly kicked in the shoe!)"

Heh, I did that as well because I heard it was otherwise too easy. I was doing well, until that first big fight on the bridge. You have to pick up the LMG, but however I tried, I would get clipped by a bullet or two and picked off by the bots

Quote: "At the moment I don't think there's anything heated, everybody's got their opinions of the games, just as long as it doesn't turn into a fanboy based argument then all should be good in the hood."

It seems below freezing at the moment... we'll see.

Quote: "For me it was Vietnam... the original... stand alone one... shame they never further developed it... it was ace..."

original?

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MrValentine
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 18:18
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BFV

Still like it haha shame cant play it anymore...

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