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Geek Culture / Time travel in terms of genetics (not DNA mapping..

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 20:05
This idea came about today when I was thinking back to when I first started using the internet, around 98-00. I remember those times to be quite enjoyable as it started me off on a few different hobbies, such as 3D modelling, web/game design and of course multiplayer games.

The idea of genetic time travel through human evolution. Would this one day be reality or just science fiction? I mean physically being able to transport yourself through your time line. I guess this would cause a slight problem though, as the further back you go, the younger you would become, so you couldn't go back too far or you wouldn't be able to do much.

Any views or ideas on this to expand on or knock it into the ground xD?
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 20:43
You mean travelling through your own life, or back to an earlier ancestor?

Your own life isn't recorded in your DNA, so that's out.
Your ancestors certainly would have had some influence on your genetic makeup, but I don't know how you plan to sort out determining chronology from sequences of random nucleotide mutations. Your DNA is a record of your ancestors' environment only in determining which mutations were beneficial enough to survive it. Pseudo-scientific Animus machines aside, there really isn't a way to determine something particular to a single ancestor, let alone find that ancestor's time and place to "travel" to.


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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 21:00 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 21:01
Not to mention that you can't just change your genetic code. Every cell in your body contains chromosomes and there are trillions of cells in your body. On top of that it's the DNA that defines how the cells are made and arranged and how they communicate with each other. So not only would you have to change your genotype (genetic make-up), but your phenotype (body shape) too, all the while maintaining your own "self", your current state of mind, memories, etc. It's not likely to ever happen.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 21:03 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 21:07
Quote: "You mean travelling through your own life, or back to an earlier ancestor?"


I think he aims at traveling through human evolution.

Quote: "I mean physically being able to transport yourself through your time line. I guess this would cause a slight problem though, as the further back you go, the younger you would become, so you couldn't go back too far or you wouldn't be able to do much."


I don't think that would be possible at all but what I concider possible is recreating our evolution by isolating older parts of our genestrings. This would be vague as a lot of information is most likely replaced or has been dropped but some should still remain.

You should really elaborate on what you mean. As far as I understand: Building some machina that reads your past from your genes and allows you to travel back through your own life?

No, that information is as far as my knowledge goes not stored on your genes. However, its all in your brain, your subconciousness...that would be the right point to start for such an endeavour.
Check this out, might interest you.

I personally started researching on this a bit as I once took a walk with my father in the woods and heart a distant gunshot. I had this wierd feeling in my guts and I shivered a second...why? No gun has ever been fired on me. Why do I feel uncomfortable whenever the police is near me...I've never been in trouble. Why these outbursts of bad feelings whenever I hear sirenes?

Collective conciousness? Stored in our genes from our ancestors?

Wait, I think I'm getting offtopic.



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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 21:23 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 21:56
I know smart guy's who spawned dumb kids and vice versa. I know dumb people who suddenly got smart.
So....ummmm...yeah! I would be sure to land on one which left me too stupid to figure the way back home.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:05
I meant being able to travel back in time in your own life, not someone else's . Kind of like a rewind button, but you keep all your current memory etc.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:30
If you were to accomplish such a thing, it would have nothing to do with your DNA.


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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:39
I don't know much about biology/genetics, just putting an idea out, even if it is currently science fiction.

I just like thinking up ideas on how things may work and most of the time they are probably completely wrong, but its still fun

It was an idea which involved no actual technology, just what humans may be able to become at some point xD
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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 22:39
I think that time travel is all TV show entertainment. Any other form of time dilation is really energy restriction.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 03:48
I have an armchair that allows me to travel forward in time x 1 speed

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Quote: "I have an armchair that allows me to travel forward in time x 1 speed"



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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 10:25
Just remembered the butterfly effect, that would possibly be the kind of thing we could one day do.

Also, I think most of you are thinking too logical and not actually having fun with this topic xD.
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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 10:58
Do you mean like age-reversing jellyfish or like time travel?

Quote: "Also, I think most of you are thinking too logical and not actually having fun with this topic xD. "

but... you said
Quote: "Would this one day be reality"



Personally I'd rather just be 25 forever.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 13:17
age reversing jellyfish? I once had a dream that a jellyfish was playing a xylophone with its mustache... if i could go back I'd have that dream again. it was funny

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I don't think that we travel through time in the way that the cartoon says. We get older by disorder, we move from one place to the next by moving energy from one place to another. But time is just a poetic fantasy.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 14:28
Quote: "time is just a poetic fantasy"

I believe that aspect is expressed through the paddlers beret`

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 17:26
Quote: "but... you said
Quote: "Would this one day be reality""


Urm, no I never
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Posted: 14th Apr 2012 07:16
Quote: "The idea of genetic time travel through human evolution. Would this one day be reality or just science fiction? I mean physically being able to transport yourself through your time line. I guess this would cause a slight problem though, as the further back you go, the younger you would become, so you couldn't go back too far or you wouldn't be able to do much."


Sure you did, at least until you achieve time travel and go back to prevent yourself from doing it

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Posted: 14th Apr 2012 15:21
Time travel is contradicting me, Noooo!

But anyway, just say humans had this ability, what would you think the world would be like? Total chaos or in harmony?
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Posted: 14th Apr 2012 15:49
If I could time travel, i would travel back in time and play pranks on myself. Oh what a strange world it would be.

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I read an article in New Scientist about some genetic therapy which reverses the ageing process. They trialled it on mice and within days the old mice visibly became younger. The problem is this therapy raises the risk of cancer by 30 times or something like that.

The reason we age is down to how DNA replicates: the double helix is torn apart and this always results in loss of some data. Our DNA has extra data to allow for this but eventually you lose all the extra and start deleting from the actual genes! I think the therapy causes you to produce more waste genes to replace those lost in replication.

I wish I could find that article.

WARNING: The above comment may contain sarcasm.
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Quote: "Urm, no I never "


Quote: "The idea of genetic time travel through human evolution. Would this one day be reality or just science fiction?"


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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 02:39
Seriously now, I sense this is getting trollish. No need to continuously point out a mistake I made in a thread I started for idea sharing.
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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 14:34
Quote: "Seriously now, I sense this is getting trollish. No need to continuously point out a mistake I made in a thread I started for idea sharing. "


No need to deny the mistake you mean? It was your own denial that caused further posts to appear.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 22:35
I was joking when I said it, hence the "" afterwards. Guess its hard to put that across online.
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Posted: 18th Apr 2012 01:57 Edited at: 18th Apr 2012 02:01
That's not a smile smiley, that's a silly smiley. Meaning that someone has been silly. It's sticking its tongue out. It would have been easier just to say...

"Yes I did ask if it was possible, so I can see why everyone is posting about the possibilities."

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Posted: 18th Apr 2012 03:04
Silly/Joking, similar things right? But anyway, it's starting to become a debate about what I said and not about the idea and interest in the subject.

Lets just continue with the subject of time travel instead of arguing on what I said and having it go out of hand when its not really needed.

So basically, like I said a few posts back, this kind of time travel would be like the kind out of the butter fly effect, if any one has seen that? I know its completely fictional (I know I said if it could be possible, I probably just wasn't thinking clear and was in an illogical imaginative mood xD), but say it was real for a moment, how could it change your life or even the world? Discuss that possibility, or not..?
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Posted: 18th Apr 2012 15:15
Ok, well if it is fictional then you can have anything happen. You can go back in time, not age, kill Hitler, change history, take a component out if an atomic bomb test, and defend Neanderthal man so that he becomes the dominant humanoid on Earth.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 23:53
I would go back....naked ....and scare the crap out myself....um....actually I would probably still be laughing to this day...um...until I realized that was me...so well....yeah

Awesome! Its one of those threads.

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