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Uh, this may be just hype but a friend told me this rumour yesterday that the PS4 (Orbis) will not allow 2nd-hand games to be played on it

so I googled this and it's all over the internet:

Quote: "Some bad news on the front of gaming is that the Orbis will not be backwards compatible with PS3 games, nor will it allow used games. The console (and your PSN account) will lock out games already attached to other people's consoles. This rumor is start to steam roll, after sites speculated Microsoft was working on a similar scheme.
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From:http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2012/03/29/report_ps4_is_codenamed_orbis_no_used_games_allowed

I actually used to be a console and PC gamer too back when it was all pixels, heh, and for a while with PS1 and 2. Hearing this news, I'm just glad I stopped sitting on the fence and went 100% PC back when I did.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2012 23:26

Quote: " I'm just glad I stopped sitting on the fence and went 100% PC back when I did."

might want to add that PC games are slowly moving away fromthat too..

But yeah, i find this to be terrbile, absolutly terrible.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2012 23:48

I can see some of the reasoning for it, but all things considered i am opposed to this. Being someone who doesn't sell their games, this would presumably make gaming cheaper for me, but i'm opposed to this on principle mostly, and think others are too.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out. I've never owned a Nintendo system before now, but maybe i'll end up getting one.

On a related note, the rumours about having to be connected to the internet in order to load a single player game make my blood boil. I have a feeling Deus Ex was doing this to me on Xbox 360. I'll look into this more if they being out another one.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 00:18

The biggest problem is going to be the casual gamer I think. Lotta ppl trade used games. As a kid, my friends and I used to lend each other games. I think the corporate system is going to end up caving in on itself at this rate. And yeah, I do see a disturbing trend in PC games too - like the having to save online idea among others.
Well, when the competitors who are offering no-hassle products start cashing in, that's fine by me. Every customer the corporate world loses is a customer the indie world gains.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 00:23

it is a shame it has to come to this. I know with Skyrim and its security system I am unable to play it now. because when it connects to authorize the license, it automatically updates at the same time, it then wont let me play until it has finished updating. with my internet it would cost as much as the game itself to update it(A whopping 3 gig update patch).
it would be nice to just be able to put the game disc in and play it like in the old days.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 00:28 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 00:39

It only came to this because publishers are greedy .. >_>

At any rate, i buy most of my PC games on Steam or gamersgate, but my console games uses CDs and using internet on them is a hassle, thus, either wait until the price drops, or i buy second hand.

Its not about me being greedy -> I find it annoying to buy CDs (I only do that with collector editions) and I find internet on consoles to be VERY hard to wrap my head around. Not mentioning Xbox 360 is the top of the line when it comes to "Confusing me to the point where I want to trade it in for a rock"

edit: thinking of it, i rarely play Xbox/Wii at all anymore.. I only recently bought Dark soul (that edition thingy with art and stuff)
And Zelda: skyward sword (once again, also some sort of edition copy)

Other than that I dont own many console games... oh, oh we got Findal Fantasy XIII (i think its XIII? the one with Lightning) - that one we bought second hand..

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 00:40

Fortunately there's plenty of old games that I've yet to play - and even the ones I bought years ago still get played from time to time.

Forcing us to be connected to the Internet just to play a game sounds too totalitarian for my taste.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 00:50 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 00:51

Well, there's probably going to be a lot of PS4 games I'm not going to play. If a game isn't worth the £40/£50 price tag, I'm not going to buy it and it's the case with a lot of game. I end up playing them when they've been out for a little while and are second hand. It's rare for my to pay £40/£50 for a game and if I end up regretting it (like Bulletstorm, not a bad game, but it's too short and lacks the replay value to be worth £40) I trade it back in.

However, given I am a 360 gamer (though previously PS & PS2) I hope MS don't do the same thing. And pretty much GG there, I've still got loads of stuff to complete.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 01:07

I'm happy with my ps3 and gaming computer I will not be buying the ps4 as there are tons of games I have not played on the ps3 and tons more to come on the pc

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 01:29

It is simply greed and a forced market, take your car for instance, it could be made of materials which dont rust and run on water this has been possible for many years now. Your tv set really doesnt need to die on you after a couple of years and same goes for your washing machine/ kettle or any other electric appliance you care to mention, of course some will say I had this thing for years and it still works fine, but why dont they all?
Removing the second hand market is going to kill off a bunch of small business and thats going to hurt the economy overall, on the other hand your going to find the indie market expanding at an exponential rate and thats going to benefit those of you who can see the opportunity and work that little bit harder on your product to get it finished and out there, besides I see the future market for games in particular moving onto phones, tablets etc, so ps4 is a no go anyhow and will be a status symbol for those who always need to be ahead of the game and have one up on the Jones's.

Its a nonsense that buying a game console also means you got to pay for internet access to use it.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 02:45

I partially agree with the no second hand games thing... as some may not have noticed but those second hand stores do not pay taxes... so them shutting down will not make much of a difference... on the otherhand this is the future we are talking about... it os not as though EVERY game in existence will follow this new process... as many make it out to be...

Too tired but wanted to join this debate as I see a lot to be learnt from it... and meh I still play PSOne games... much better than many current gen console games...

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 06:13 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 06:20

Actually second hand games stores pay taxes just like any business, in fact most major games retailers will have used game sections.
If your talking about market stalls or garage sales or whatever its hardly worth getting 'steamed' up about.
I have never heard of this mass avoidance of taxes by second hand games stores, any links or newspaper clippings you could point us to which confirms this would be appreciated..

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 07:20 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 07:22

Quote: "NO 2nd-Hand Games"

it's almost bedtime for me but i read that as "games will only require one hand to play" and started to consider what controllers might look like...

long live 2-handed gaming!

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 07:56

The article on Kotaku suggests that it will be possible to re-sell games but a fee may be required. I think that's a strong possibility myself.

I think this will be another nail in the coffin for console gaming.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 09:22

Personally i dont see why the games industry is... "different" from other industries -> People sell cars, wacuum cleaners, computer mouses, screens ETC second hand

but selling games second hand is blasphemy? come-on >_>

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 10:14

Quote: "I have never heard of this mass avoidance of taxes by second hand games stores, any links or newspaper clippings you could point us to which confirms this would be appreciated.."

Read your receipt from a retail store which solely sells second hand games/dvd's

Quote: "but selling games second hand is blasphemy? come-on >_>"

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 10:28

You know a friend (who has a PS3) and I were actually talking about the console gaming industry a while back and I was saying how I don't see it lasting because of current trends (Having to "install" games, internet connections etc). A lot of stuff said here came up such as "just putting in the disc/cartridge and playing". That was one of the things that made me buy a PS2 (and the fact the PS1 was a really good console). Never mind "another nail in console gaming's coffin", this is prolly really the beginning of the end for consoles - at least as we've come to know them. With more and more games being released across 3 platforms (PS3, Xbox360 and Microsoft-PC), I'd rather buy it on PC if this is going to be the case.

On the up side, someone (in china) is prolly gonna design a piece of "add-on" hardware to get around this issue. It just means you'll be spending more on and already overpriced piece of hardware.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 10:58 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 11:05

Quote: "Read your receipt from a retail store which solely sells second hand games/dvd's"

I have quite a few and see nothing wrong with them, the payment is on there, in full with tax added, (I always pay for these by credit card so its hard to hide the payment) they even have the 30 day return for refund period if they don't work, what do you mean?
Maybe show an example of one you think is off.
I would be more likely to see the point if I received no receipt at all.
Maybe you think there is something wrong with the receipts you receive but not in my own experience, if you believe ALL second hand games retailers are dodgy non tax paying types then its simply not true across the board.

If you agree there should be no second hand games available thats fine but your statement that second hand games stores are dodgy and dont pay taxes is about the most ridiculous argument for this case as it can get.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 11:00 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 11:01

@MrValentine: I hear what you say about 2nd-hand retailers not paying taxes (although I think they do in my country) but for those countries that don't:

*They shouldn't have to pay tax because the tax was already paid when the item was bought new.
*If they aren't paying tax, then neither are you. Nice bonus

*They still pay rent, electricity and water so they still contribute to the economy.
*The employ staff. They are creating jobs which contributes to the economy too because it increases spending power of consumer and also saves the government from paying those people "dole money"(in applicable countries).

In essence, shutting them down will make a difference. You're right, it won't make a HUGE one - prolly not even a noticeable one. But for those poor folk who own the business or work for the business who have families to support (or drug habbits, lol), this is not a nice prospect.

Quote: "Please do not repeat a former thread thanks..."

Why not? If it's a valid point, it's a valid point. Its origins are of no consequence.

I know you don't mean it in a bad way because I've got to know you a little, but you are coming across a tad smug/confrontation in that last post (This is ironic because you once accused me of coming across similarly so I guess we're doing a little role reversal for the audience now

). Back to the point, Quik didn't post anything nasty to you in this thread so there's no need to attack him. If you find what he says annoying/disagreeable, you could say it politely, eg: "That's what you/me/nonZero/[xyz user] said in [xyz thread]".

Anyhow, let's just be nice and not summon the almighty Threadlock and spoil it for everyone.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 11:18

if cars became that way imagine how terrible the world has become. so many ppl has to walk or resort to other things. i would switch to a motorcycle. other than that i hate the fact that second hand games are now frowned upon. don't worry just don't buy a console no more. this might be the death of the console era. i'll stick with pc.

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Easy answer to this guys, don't buy a console that does that... I already decided against purchasing another sony product after what they did with linux on the ps3.

Nah, I'll stick with Nintendo. They may not be as flashy, but their games are fun, the kids love em, and, as of yet, they haven't screwed their customers.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 12:03

It makes little difference to me. GAME is closing down, so is Gamestation (practically the same thing), so even buying pre-owned games is becoming a hassle. I used to like rooting through the pre-owned bargains, finding the odd gem - but if I can only buy pre-owned from places like Amazon, well I'd rather just buy full price.

Frankly, I'm waiting to see if the Vita pans out - if that thing doesn't get some better pricing and better support, well I won't buy another Sony console. It's crazy, you'd think Sony would do anything it can to promote the Vita, to encourage people to buy it's new console, so allowing cheap and pre-owned games should be their strategy against the new Xbox. I guess we'll just have to see, once the machines are released and competing with eachother.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 12:03 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 12:04

lol i actually forgot the Nintendo. i don't like the WiiU and the Vita, but i wouldn't mind getting a Nintendo. the Wii is fun at times.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 12:35 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 12:36

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Quote: "It makes little difference to me. GAME is closing down, so is Gamestation (practically the same thing), so even buying pre-owned games is becoming a hassle. I used to like rooting through the pre-owned bargains, finding the odd gem - but if I can only buy pre-owned from places like Amazon, well I'd rather just buy full price."

My town's got a really nice, locally owned and operated, 2nd hand game store. Buy a lot of decent snes/genesis games for a couple bucks, and you get decent money back too if/when you resell. I got good money on a load of duplicate sports dreamcast games I got on ebay when I was building my dc collection. (How many copies of NFL this or that year does a guy need?) They also have a nice (though very small) PC game shelf.

Perhaps you should ditch buying games at chains, and find a nice, local, store, if one exists.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 12:48

I remember the days when you could still by SEGA 16bit games in my town. I also had an awesome little shop down the road. It wasn't much bigger than a walk-in closet but the shelves were packed with 8 and 16 bit games at insanely low prices. I discovered Rocket Knight (SEGA) there. Man what an awesome game!

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 12:59

Last I read GAME is being saved, but they're just closing a number of their stores down. Well...I've got £60 in store credit, so I guess I should hurry up and spend it in case they don't stick around.

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Quote: "Please do not repeat a former thread thanks..."

Iam not sure if I understand what you mean?

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 14:41

@Quik sorry I am running on fumes... a 24 hour x2 website project aprint is killing me...

And no I still accept Second hand stored shutting down as they do not have proper tax systems again just read your receipt... UK SHG stores charge VAT but you can not claim it back... hence I call dodgy... and furthermore... they charge near if not higher than full prices for recently or even old release games and never give anything to developers... nor manufacturers so the high prices with VAT added to them does not make sense...

Yes I am a VAT registered Business owner...

However lets get back on topic and ignore me for now... as I am not so well at the moment...

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 21:12 Edited at: 16th Apr 2012 21:13

People are saying things like this kills the console market.... No I'd say it just gives Microsoft and Nintendo quite a few more customers. Sure a lot will turn to pc and we will lose a lot of console gamers, but it's certainly not killing the console world. At least I highly doubt it will. Unless Microsoft and Nintendo follow the same path, console gaming isn't dying out any time soon.

But back on track, I definitely will not be buying a PS4. I ALWAYS sell back my old games when I finish them. ALWAYS. It doesn't matter how much I loved the game, I will eventually sell it back. It saves me money, so why not. If I lose the opportunity to sell my games, then I definitely will not be buying that console. Not that I would buy and ps console to begin with. Xbox has my love.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 21:26

This is really stupid. Why not provide backwards compatibility? That will seriously damage sales, you can't rely on the first eight or so games (which are usually a pile of crap) to sell your consoles for you! At least do what Sony did last time and have a first edition console that is backward-compatible to transition between generations.
Second-hand games also fuel sales: you are more likely to chance buying a second-hand game as they are cheaper, then if another game is developed by the same developer (especially if its part of the same franchise) you are FAR more likely to buy it new. I bought Oblivion second-hand then bought Skyrim new, I bought FIFA 09 second-hand then FIFA 10, 11 and 12 new (cos I'm an idiot), I bought Mafia second-hand then bought Mafia II new, I bought Fahrenheit second-hand then Heavy Rain new, the list goes on and on. I wouldn't have bought a quarter of those new titles if I couldn't buy second-hand games; I distinctly remember looking at Fahrenheit when it came out and thinking "this looks weird, maybe it's cool but I dunno" then put it back on the shelf. Now it is one of my favourite games and I will snap up any Quantic Dream title but I would never have known if I couldn't have bought the second hand version.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2012 22:52

I think that, in general, the best approach to maximizing profits is simply to do exactly what steam does.

All games can only be owned by one person, but the price drops over time. Also having occasional sales help grab a few more buyers who didn't quite value the game enough before.

Basically, Steam has nearly perfected price discrimination.

Unfortunately, most stores can't reduce the price over time because they bought it when it was expensive.
So, the only way for prices to go down on hard copy games is for the game to be used.

Personally I think that unless you are going to run like Steam, don't try to stop second hand games. However, if you can manage to work out some deal with sellers of these games to cut prices over time, by offering partial refunds over time, you could get away with no second hand games.

However, if there is any reason that could cause an owner of a game to lose ability to play the game due to this no second hand game system, the entire idea will probably fail quicker than you would believe. People will not risk buying games and will instead be safer and cheaper and just pirate all their games....

BTW, I don't think Sony should even be trying to make a game console. They are just not that great at it apparently.

On the other hand, Microsoft has far more experience and resources in the graphics and games industries. (Yes there have been reliability issues, but those matters aren't very important next to quality of gameplay and game services provided(subnote: My Xbox 360 is as old as they get and hasn't had a problem))

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Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but this is going to kill businesses that are based solely off of selling, buying and trading used games.

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Good point... cheers

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Quote: "Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but this is going to kill businesses that are based solely off of selling, buying and trading used games.
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Mind naming a few? I dont know any at all

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 01:51

Some people might call this a natural progression.
The next step after this will be internet only purchases and rents of software.
It's been talked about for years and years (since the internet became popular.
Maybe we are being conditioned for this?
The benefits to publishers are straight forward. no distribution, no making a physical product (a cd, blue ray etc)

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@ sheffieldlad - Where are you from?

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@MrValentine ha ha Portugal

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When I was a lad, I bought a game, played it, lent it out, lent it out again, and then again, until I never got it back and it was lost. I borrowed games just the same way. If I really liked a game that I had previously played then I'd hunt the second hand shops. If I didn't find it then I'd be patient and wait until someone had it and borrowed it, or did a swap.

The industry has lost it's way in so many ways. Producing games these days are not the same as producing games in the 'old' days. There was lots of swapping and lending but you knew which game was popular because those that really wanted it to keep (like me) would either get it second hand or scrimp and save to buy it.

The best reviews of games where always a year behind. The last I remember was Unreal Tournament Game Of The Year edition. I've bought all of them so far, and only 1 second hand. Unfortunately I can only play 2 of them now but I got them all the same. (5 FPS is horrid)

Lost it's way is all I can say...

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 02:37

Mobile Platforms Are Coming

While this is just another rumor until it's set in stone.

But, it's not that hard to imagine a future where digital distribution is the sole method of deployment on consoles, rather than via optical media. If they do, then we'll not doubt see the same rippling affect the music / book industry have been /are going through. Where some solely 'game' orientated retails chains will disappear over time.

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Quote: "There was lots of swapping and lending but you knew which game was popular because those that really wanted it to keep (like me) would either get it second hand or scrimp and save to buy it."

The dev cycle cost is too high these days and the second hand market is a leech on that revenue which is used to float the next game cycle. The only way to rejuvenate the current model would be to sell more games cheaper but god forbid they'd ever see it that way. Hence indi games market being all the rage smaller income per game but selling more of them in the long run.

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I remember getting my fist computer for my 8th birthday.
It was a pristine brand new atari 800xl with a tape deck and a cartridge slot. (blow on the cartridge to fix bugs

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We had to go into town to buy games (between the moor and arundal gate where redgates used to be for anyone else from portugal :p)
to Games workshop to buy games for it before microfun opened up in hillsborough.

Great labels like mastatronic, imagine, ocean all supported the atari 800xl and life was great with a tape deck, a copy of chop suey by the english software company and 64k memory

I also remember getting my mum to ask the local news agent if they could get any atari related magazines.

The local news agent kindly agreed to get us a regular supply of atari user i think it was.
After I ditched the 800xl and bought other systems I used to get C+VG from the same newsagents. (Julian Rignall was and still is a god.)
I have since owned zx48, c64, nes, snes, n64, master system, megadrive, ps1,2,3, xbox, xbox 360 my first pc was a mega pc.
a 386 (or was it 486?) with a sega megadrive slot in the front.
Thats just naming a few and not including hand held systems.

times are changing in the world of computers just like they are in every area of life and will continue to do so.

I'm not saying the changes are all good.

I fired up an atari emulator the other day while I was killing time and I realised (not for the first time) just how far the games industry and computers have come.

from bedroom developers to huge teams.
from 8 colours on screen to millions.
from sitting next to your mate to play multiplayer games to being connected to a network of thousands of players.

One thing has remained constant.
That bit of print in the inlay of every tape/floppy,cartridge,cd,dvd,blueray I have ever inserted into a computer that says....

+ Code Snippet

no lending, hiring, public broadcasting of this product (or words to that effect)

I don't agree with it 100% but I suppose they want some cash from every game thats played which in a way is only natural.
developers have to eat too.

they now have the technology to cheaply enforce that rule over the internet and I suppose they think the time is right.

It will be broken.
Every system is eentually from typing in page 4 paragraph 3 word 7 before the game runs (never seemed to bother cracking groups like fairlight) to more sophisticated ways of securing digital media.

Examine the ethos 'I bought it I will run what I dam well choose on it' which leads to most systems being 'hacked'

I suppose to sum up, I'm trying to say it's a natural progression.
It doesn't bother me.
I'm about done playing games.

I used to buy records and sit on the bus home.
Take the record out of its paper bag and read the inlay/look at the cover the entire journey home.

Now I load itunes and click sync.

I know which I would prefer to do.

Some changes are good, some bad.

I'm rambling...(Blame John smith)

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 09:25 Edited at: 17th Apr 2012 09:26

Quote: " they charge near if not higher than full prices for recently or even old release games and never give anything to developers"

Why should they give to the developers? No other second hand industry, akaik, gives any of the money they make from the sale to the 'developers' of that product. Why should games be any different?

Here in Australia brand new games are given the "Australia tax" and cost $120 to buy (from places like EB Games or Game). 2nd hand prices are usually $115. So combined with online passes these games cost more to play than buying new. Buying used used to offer good value, but as the years have gone by it's not worth it anymore.

PC games have been locked to accounts for years meaning you're unable to trade them in once finished. This is no different than tying games to a console. It doesn't bother me as much because PC games retail at significantly cheaper prices. So if the PS4 games drop in price to reflect this inability to trade, it won't bother me in the slightest.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 10:40 Edited at: 17th Apr 2012 10:42

the new xbox 720 is the same as well to not being able to play 2nd hand games as well. i'll find out to confirm.

edit: here it is.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/720195/xbox-720-to-feature-blu-ray-support-but-reject-used-games-more-rumors-on-the-next-gen-xbox/?page=7

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 11:34

A positive spin (or plain wishful thinking) is that Microsoft and Sony might change their plans due to the pressure from consumers - Sometimes this can happen in industry. Already, there's a massive online outcry online. So we'll have to wait and see I guess.

Another good thing is that from a technical viewpoint, one could still circumvent the online auth system, so somebody is bound to design a piece of hardware to do so.

Then there's always the fact that, as I said many times, most decent releases are released for MS-based PCs as well so quite frankly I'd rather use that money I'd have bought a console with to upgrade my PC (Or buy another).

Also, despite being somewhat illegal (depends if you own the original game or not), there are always 1000s of downloadable retro-system roms on the net. I had a friend of mine play FF6 on a SNES-emu recently and he couldn't get over how much content there was in such a tiny file

I guess at this point one can only look on the bright side because console gaming's been getting progressively worse and, as mentioned earlier, "losing its way".

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 11:57

we should yay for nintendo? lol good ol' Nintendo.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 11:58

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When the highlight of the year is Ben Croshaw's Poacher, which is free btw, you know the triple A video game industry is losing its way.

I'll keep on finding and playing the good games though

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 19:11

Quote: "it is a shame it has to come to this."

But it hasn't... it's just a rumour and neither article is confirmed. My guess is that this was 'leaked' by someone at Nintendo.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 19:17

Why Nintendo....

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 20:52

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@lazerus,

Quote: "and the second hand market is a leech on that revenue which is used to float the next game cycle"

A little thought would have made you realise that this statement is nonsense.

Am I more likely to pay £60 for a game knowing I can sell it on, or not. My answer: Yes - It reduces my risk on the purchase, because I have reduced the cost overall.

Who gains: Me, via my lowered costs. The new purchaser as they get the game at a price that they may not have been able to afford before. The shop, who obviously makes a profit. The government, via taxes.

Who is not affected either way: The publisher, they still get paid what they would have been paid anyway.

Who loses: No-one that I can think of.

What this is, is a short-sighted attempt to increase revenues by forcing primary sales.

What it actually does is makes the decision harder for me to make in the first place (the game has become more expensive overall for me), means that those secondary purchasers will never buy the game and reduces trading in the shops that offer second-hand games and therefore puts their staff's jobs at more risk.

As it goes though, I find it slightly less obnoxious than trying to claim a part of the secondary sales - if they want more profit, sell the game for more in the first place (but remember that no-one has to buy your potentially overpriced game at your price-point).

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Posted: 17th Apr 2012 21:24