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Phaelax
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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 02:52
Impressive 15" screen has 2880×1800 220 PPI retina IPS display. That's great, I love it! I really hope more manufactures follow suite. I'm upset they got rid of a 17" model though and also its a glossy screen only.

Now the bad news, everything is integrated into a custom motherboard. That includes CPU, RAM, and even the SSD! Apple really, really doesn't want you to upgrade it yourself. Instead, I'm sure they'd happily offer a 4gb ram upgrade for additional $800 or something like that.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/130819-analyzing-the-macbook-pro-with-retina-display

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 02:55
Quote: "Now the bad news, everything is integrated into a custom motherboard. That includes CPU, RAM, and even the SSD! Apple really, really doesn't want you to upgrade it yourself. Instead, I'm sure they'd happily offer a 4gb ram upgrade for additional $800 or something like that."


Uhhh, what'd you expect buying something from the Fruit company? Throw $200 worth of components together and charge you $1000 for it all. The only thing that makes Apple worth more than a comparable IBM is the OS's supposed stability. But I don't even buy that load....

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 03:10
Id buy it just so i can rip the screen out and use it to build another graphics tablet. I hope it uses direct drive displayport technology.

the only value i see in it is parts. Maybe i could install something other than iOS on it, integrade the screen with an intuos tablet and make a portable graphics tablet with good quality screen that i can draw on.


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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 04:40
Quote: "Quote: "Now the bad news, everything is integrated into a custom motherboard. That includes CPU, RAM, and even the SSD! Apple really, really doesn't want you to upgrade it yourself. Instead, I'm sure they'd happily offer a 4gb ram upgrade for additional $800 or something like that."

Uhhh, what'd you expect buying something from the Fruit company? Throw $200 worth of components together and charge you $1000 for it all. The only thing that makes Apple worth more than a comparable IBM is the OS's supposed stability. But I don't even buy that load...."


This.

And you could buy the same specs for half the price


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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 04:59 Edited at: 14th Jun 2012 05:00
Quote: "And you could buy the same specs for half the price"


Indeed. But at least when you pay double you supposedly look cool and can hang with all the supposedly cool kids.... All you need (if you have a Y-chromosome) is a pair of overly tight jeans, a "man" purse, a new VW "Beetle", a cup of Starbuck's and you're set!

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 10:23
Although it is ridiculously expensive, I don't think the price is that far off the mark - I mean, a 512GB SSD will still set you back ~£400 on its own, and that's part of the default config.

Also, are there any other machines of this size with displays even close to the resolution this is pushing? Because a screen at that size and resolution surely must cost a bomb on its own

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 11:14
Quote: "Impressive 15" screen has 2880×1800"

OMG I think 15' must be blu-ray's 1920*1080, more will be useless. Only one argument - you can see photos better, but what PRICE! Apple can't offer nothing new but upgrading their pair of ideas to ridiculos hardware with ridiculos price. Meh.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 12:28 Edited at: 14th Jun 2012 13:13
The problem when people compare Macs and PCs is they don't compare like-for-like, yes, they may take the same spec, but spec isn't like-for-like. You could do it between 2 types of PCs I could compare a same spec Acer and a same spec ThinkPad and the ThinkPad would be more expensive and I'd probably go for the ThinkPad. Apple don't do cheap versions and they don't do cheap parts. I've bought the highest spec for the lowest price before and regretted it. The funny thing is, I was trying to choose between a £700 Acer and a £700 MacBook, I went for the Acer because it had a higher spec. My sister bought her MacBook on the exact same day. My Acer died after a year, I've replaced with with a ThinkPad and her MacBook is still running perfectly(after 4 years now). The reason my Acer didn't last? It was poorly built, I had a few problems I had to get repaired before it died.

In hindsight, I should have got the MacBook.


However, on topic, I think this is disappointing, I am a fan of the larger screens, but still, that resolution is pretty impressive.

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Quote: "Now the bad news, everything is integrated into a custom motherboard. That includes CPU, RAM, and even the SSD! Apple really, really doesn't want you to upgrade it yourself. Instead, I'm sure they'd happily offer a 4gb ram upgrade for additional $800 or something like that."


That's bizarre, even for Apple. Despite the myth you've always been able to upgrade a Mac, now it seems they're just playing into the myth. Just as well I've got a laptop I'm happy with, my 'Mac' upgrade is likely to be a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro, so I'd prefer a non-all-in-one desktop.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 12:56 Edited at: 14th Jun 2012 12:57
I reckon it's the converging of the tablet/phone market with the PC market. With the last few OSX updates we are getting OSX more and more like iOS and soon they will be the same thing IMHO. Look at MS with Win8 and you can see it happening there too.

Essentially they want you to buy your PC every year/two years like you do with your phone or tablet. None of this "Oh well I'm a bit broke so my laptop can last another couple of years" rubbish for them.

At the end of the day no-one really complains that much (ok a bit but not really that much in the grand scheme of things) about non-upgradable storage/memory etc for an iPhone or iPad. They want the same thing for PCs. And so does the other suppliers really. They just have to more careful how they bring the changes in. Android phones for example have traditionally had SD cards in so taking it out might cause sales to drop. Put a killer feature in (eg. 128gb of onboard storage) will probably wipe out the problem for good (costly for now but better in the long run as storage sizes catch up at the price point). Apple are doing this here with the Retina screen. Don't like the non-upgradable specs... But what a screen... I wouldn't even consider a non-upgradable PC. But with a screen like that? Possibly...

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 13:44
What exactly is the use of such a high resolution screen?



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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 13:46 Edited at: 14th Jun 2012 16:07
You wouldn't need to anti-alias an image on a high resolution screen. You thus lose any visual anomalies introduced by AA.

Further, image processing a low resolution image to appear to be high resolution will look better. EG:



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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 15:45
For some reason, companies began following backwards down the road in terms of screen resolution. In 2000, I had a 19" monitor at 1600x1200. 10 years later, I had to get a 24" to achieve the same resolution, and even today it's even harder still to fine high-res screens on laptops. Apple is one of the few that continue to push for better quality and higher-res screens, and I applaud them for that. I don't think any other laptop besides Apple still uses the 16:10 ratio either.

Why is a higher resolution better? I probably wouldn't need to max out that resolution myself, especially on a tiny 15" screen, but at least I can do something higher than a pathetic 1366x768 like most laptops out there. Even these powerhouse "gaming" laptops have a poor resolution. I like higher resolutions so I can see more screen space. More code at a time, more of my artwork at a time. And the higher PPI makes a huge difference in font quality. I recently bought an iPhone 4S and after using it for a little bit, I couldn't even stand to look at my 3G model anymore. It was like using a PS3 then switching to a PS1.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 16:35
Quote: " Apple is one of the few that continue to push for better quality and higher-res screens, and I applaud them for that. "


i dont do, especially on mobile systems where you nearly dont see a difference because of limited screensize. the accu-times get shorter and shorter and shorter and... the surplus isnt worth it, just to say "more res than you, atschibäähh." you can simply counter with: "mine runs 4 days, yours just 1 before you have to reload again, not being mobile anymore."... while mobility should be the main reason to buy these products.

also the advantage in stability isnt given anymore since xp/win7 appeared on the market, i can crash both systems within a minute, doesnt matter anymore as in the 90s and early 2000s in comparsion with win98/xe.

apple is simply stylish midquality hardware around a simple (=limited) ios for people who want to drive a car without doing a license to increase there knowledge of how to use the tool you are on.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 17:15
Dunno, I can actually tell the difference between the resolution on this 4th gen iPod Touch and my dad's 3rd gen, the display is more crisp with its Retina display. I don't think it's the most important thing out there, but still it's nice. On computers I find I work in high resolutions and I think even on my 15 inch, 1366x768 is too low, because I like to make use of my space, it's why I have a secondary display.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 17:28
Quote: "I can actually tell the difference between the resolution on this 4th gen iPod Touch and my dad's 3rd gen, the display is more crisp with its Retina display"
It's not hard to tell the difference. Easiest method is just go to any website really. If the text is pretty small then you can read it on the 4th gen, but not on pre-4th without zooming in. Assuming of course that you don't have eyesight like a mole.

Quote: "On computers I find I work in high resolutions and I think even on my 15 inch, 1366x768 is too low"
Yep. My new i7 laptop beats up my old 2006 cutting edge gaming laptop in every single aspect (inc. video card with an obviously much newer Nvidia effort with that autoswitching effort with a half decent integrated card) except the resolution. Yep I have that 1366x768 effort compared to 1920x1200. Then again I bought the new laptop to replace my desktop for working out in Cyprus again and I have it plugged into two secondary displays. 1600x1200 and a 1200 type effort. Aaaahhh...

Just got paid so perhaps I *need* to get a bigger screen. The Apple 24" effort my friend uses at work looks mighty nice... After getting my Mac Mini working on my 46" LCD in the lounge I'm starting to think it would be nice in the office too... Or wait until the new Apple TVs come along (ie. integrated into TVs) with hopefully mega resolutions and move the 46" up into the office. Most expensive electricity in Europe? Bring it on! Mwahahahahah...

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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 19:48
Quote: "i dont do, especially on mobile systems where you nearly dont see a difference because of limited screensize. the accu-times get shorter and shorter and shorter and... the surplus isnt worth it, just to say "more res than you, atschibäähh." you can simply counter with: "mine runs 4 days, yours just 1 before you have to reload again, not being mobile anymore."... while mobility should be the main reason to buy these products. "


Nope. Nearly don't see a difference? - anyone with at least 1 functioning eyeball can instantly see the difference between retina and standard displays. My ipod touch compared to my iPhone4, worlds apart. The bottom line is that Apple are about the only company trying to deliver higher resolutions. Having super-crisp visuals adds a lot to any mobile computing experience... as Phaelax says, try going from a 480x320 display onto a 960x640 display then back, the difference is huge.

With Apple products, I feel that they are making multi-purpose kit. If we want long battery life, we get a Kindle and only charge it once per month, if we want quality mobile games and apps we get an iPad, and deal with the battery life. I don't think we need to burdon these devices with huge batteries, not when there's no issue with charging them up for most people. For everything else that Apple gear offers, most people don't have an issue with having to charge them. Say iPhones only needed charging every 2 days, would that make a big difference? - or would people just plug them in when they get home regardless.

The main issue is that people seem to think Apple customers are all idiots, as if they aren't aware of the issues because they are just buying an iPhone or iPad to look cool. That idea needs to change, people really can't go on with that point of view - it encourages companies to let their hardware go stale... we need innovation and improvements, don't hate on Apple just because they're making an effort - instead, question why other companies aren't. For instance, how come HD is so damn low res, and how come high-res monitors are still rediculously expensive. HD seems to have gotten really cheap already, it's not even a solid standard, and it won't last. Maybe Apple should designate the next big 'format', give companies something to aim at instead of denying technology in favor of profit.

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@Van B, agreed 100%.

The entire idea that people are buying Apple products to "look cool" seems to me like a phrase that the common geek will now throw out to "look cool" in front of his peers. Its gotten to the point where people are knocking Apple out of the delusion that Apple is still boasting Kid Pix and translucent cases. PC's are great, Macs are great, opinions are great, but its quite annoying when people jump on these fanboy band wagons to knock a specific brand when the majority are still relying on Apple stats from the 90's.

On a development side of things, I've got a PC and a Macbook Pro, I've developed for various languages and devices on both platforms, and I can't help but feel the entire development process for Apple apps is so... "comfortable". I don't know if I'll ever go back to Windows development.
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To clarify, it's an additional 8GB of RAM for $200, not 4GB for $800 (although I understand you are just trying to exaggerate the point).

Also, I just ordered mine the other day. I have never in my life bothered to upgrade a laptop, so I'm really not worried on that front, but I think that, for better or worse, it's the natural evolution of computers as things get smaller and more precisely designed.

As for some of this other talk: Some people talk about the simplicity of iOS and OSX like it is dumbed down for stupid people. What operating system are you using? Windows? Do you know how much that has progressed in the last two decades? My, compared to DOS, Windows is clearly for simpletons! Why aren't you posting to this forum with your own custom-made assembly program? Or better yet, you should be designing a custom circuit board to do so!

Apple is merely insulating users from the myriad of technical details that really do not matter to the user. Why should somebody have to care about what format their music is in? Or how to access the registry to delete leftover or broken keys? People have computers/smartphones/tablets/etc to complete tasks and to entertain them. The OS that does more for the user is the smarter OS. Even Microsoft knows this - look at Windows 8.

If you're worried about your superior technical expertise diminishing in value then you'll be happy to know that good applications still require good programmers, and that there are loads of technical details still to be had in that field.
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Posted: 14th Jun 2012 21:09 Edited at: 14th Jun 2012 21:13
Quote: "Maybe Apple should designate the next big 'format', give companies something to aim at instead of denying technology in favor of profit."


Unfortunately, Steve Jobs is dead, the man was good at taking risks to open up or expand markets and was successful at it. Sure he presented himself in an annoying and over the top way, which is easy to parody and make fun of, but he gave Apple the momentum it needed. Apple definitely has the ability to continue to progress technology and they've never been afraid of what people think of them before, so I should hope with Jobs out of the picture they'll continue to do that.

For your idea, Apple already have something they could use to market such a big format, Retina TV, or iTV with Retina display, but ITV's a TV channel.

Quote: "PC's are great, Macs are great, opinions are great, but its quite annoying when people jump on these fanboy band wagons to knock a specific brand when the majority are still relying on Apple stats from the 90's."


Agreed. I can't stand fanboyism from either side of the fence, even when it's haters. There's plenty of 'cool' looking stuff out there that aren't Apple products that I don't think liking Apple can be it's 'cool' factor. Heck, I'm pretty uncool and am proud of it, I wouldn't suddenly buy an apple product to show off, for that reason it would be a waste of money and I'm a tight git, so why would I go and do something like that?

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Posted: 16th Jun 2012 00:35 Edited at: 16th Jun 2012 00:58
I heard they weren't going to include a disc drive with the macbook pro, what does apple have against optical media? I'm not going to part with my cd's/dvd's for a long time! Optical media has saved my backside too many times to count.

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Quote: "what does apple have against optical media?"


Not durable enough I guess.



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Quote: "Quote: "what does apple have against optical media?"

Not durable enough I guess."


It's to cheap


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Quote: "Not durable enough I guess"

You'd be surprised. I'm not particularly careful with my discs, I have 100s that have been stored carelessly in the loft, dropped on the floor countless times, thrown around, stood on, etc and the bulk of the data is still salvageable using software like dvdisaster.

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I completely agree with them phasing out CDs/DVDs: The media itself is slow, the disks are cumbersome (fragile too) and the drive adds significant size and weight to a portable machine. Faster they're gone, the better

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Quote: "I completely agree with them phasing out CDs/DVDs: The media itself is slow, the disks are cumbersome (fragile too) and the drive adds significant size and weight to a portable machine. Faster they're gone, the better"

They do some things very well: they're cheap to buy in bulk (making them useful for distribution), very good for storing data for long periods of time without having to worry about viruses or accidental deletion, they allow for sale of digital products in non-online shops(many people prefer to have a physical version of a game/program), they are less prone to data corruption than flash drive/memory cards, the list goes on.

[edit] optical media (I would hope) still has a long lifetime ahead of it, I can't see it being phased out altogether until something can do all of the things optical media can do and more, also while dvd/cd's might be slow im sure blu-ray isn't.[/edit]

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Quote: "You'd be surprised."


I meant the drive itself. Solid-state devices don't have to worry so much about shock, and having no mechanical parts there's less that can go wrong.



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Quote: "very good for storing data for long periods of time without having to worry about viruses or accidental deletion, "


I am fairly sure that a CD has a average lifespan of about 3 years, which I would hardly call "long period" - a harddrive has about the same lifespan. Unless you plan on putting the CD on a desk and NEVER TOUCHING IT AGAIN, its no better..

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Quote: "making them useful for distribution"


Are you honestly saying: buying a shoeload of cds are easier and cheaper than just.. i dunno, digital?


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Quote: "I completely agree with them phasing out CDs/DVDs: The media itself is slow, the disks are cumbersome (fragile too) and the drive adds significant size and weight to a portable machine. Faster they're gone, the better"

I'd sure like to watch DVDs on my laptop..... Apple needs to add a damn bluray is what they need.

Quote: "I am fairly sure that a CD has a average lifespan of about 3 years"

uhhh, i have many CDs well over a decade old that work just fine.


Digital media isn't always an option. Gotta rip that DVD somehow, right? So now I'd actually "need" a desktop to port media onto a laptop. Bad idea. Or not everyone can readily download a 10GB video game over the internet.

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You could get an external drive? It seems more logical that way anyway.


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Quote: "You could get an external drive? It seems more logical that way anyway."


this, and there are USBs that are HUGE this day of age too


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Quote: "Digital media isn't always an option. Gotta rip that DVD somehow, right? So now I'd actually "need" a desktop to port media onto a laptop. Bad idea. "


External DVD drive? My brother uses one with his MacBook Air, they're pretty cheap and it pretty much solves this problem. I can see why they took it out, it takes up space and weight.

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It's not very convenient lugging a bunch of externals around.

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Once you start carrying around external components, it kinda defeats the purpose of the laptop in the first place.

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They tossed out optical drive because they want to do their device even more thin and lightweight than others, due to marketing stuff only. Who REALLY cares about how thick their device is - 5mm or 7mm (for example)? Ridiculous, it is already thin as paper

Anyway, nobody cancels external drives, I have one for my netbook.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2012 17:51
I think it'd be a rare situation for you to take an external DVD drive around with you. It doesn't take long to transfer music/films/software to a hard drive. I'd rather carry my laptop with all that data on than to lug any disks around with me (like I used to do when DJing student radio). I carry an external HDD with me sometimes because I may wish to back up data. Even if you were to take an external DVD drive, some of them can be extremely light and streamlined that it wouldn't be cumbersome.

It definitely makes sense for a MacBook Air, because it's trying to be as minimalistic as possible in order to be ultra-light. I don't know if it makes as much sense on a MacBook Pro.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2012 23:39 Edited at: 16th Jun 2012 23:50
Quote: "what does apple have against optical media?"

they own iTunes...

Apple isn't aiming at people who upgrade their computers. Yes, they gain money this way, but for them, the primary reason is to get the most out of the components. stop complaining, just ignore it if it makes you angry.


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Posted: 17th Jun 2012 14:47 Edited at: 17th Jun 2012 14:48
I think this is about target market. The majority of people who want optical drives built in will buy a different product/model. This product is clearly designed for those who don't. Far be it for me to defend Apple (as I do think they charge exorbitant fees, quality notwithstanding) but I think this line is targeted at those looking to maximize portability.

Also note on the screen size vs res: The higher the resolution to physical screen size ratio, the smaller and denser the pixels. This results in superior-looking anti-aliased graphics, however it can destroy utterly retro-style pixel-art or highly detailed pixel-art (this prolly only applies to weirdos like me who are still into that and play more games on emulator than modern stuff). On a 17" 1366x768 screen, a single dot is less visible than on a 21" monitor.

Personally, I would never ever in a million years buy a laptop that did not have an optical drive because I use optical disks (DVDs, not CDs) for backup. And no, optical discs should not be replaced by SSDs because (and correct me if I'm wrong) but optical discs are absolutely 100% stable as a storage medium. They are not vulnerable to physical shock like regular hdds, they are not vulnerable to electric surges like ssds/hdds and would not be destroyed by strong magnetic fields (eg EMP cause by ww3) likes hdds/ssds. Fine I'm being paranoid, but I just like to back up my most important stuff to the safest medium possible: optical discs. Btw, I bought AOW (Age of Wonders) from a bargain bin about 8 years ago and the game still runs fine. The CD is in perfect health, as is my Diablo 1 CD and numerous other games (Though admittedly I do use ISOs of my games to prevent wear and tear). So the 3-year lifespan is a myth. So is the vulnerability thing (provided they are non-printable CD/DVDs). You can actually even buff scratches off of DVDs (I worked in 2 video shops so I speak from the experience of one who "repaired" DVDs in this way).

However, I do agree that from a distribution point of view, they can be cumbersome to those who prefer digital downloads (Not me, I like the box tbh). Ultimately with distribution, there should be a choice (where possible, some software companies can't afford to ship optical discs en-mass, I get that). It all boils down to taste I think.

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I back up all my important data onto hole punched cards.


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Posted: 17th Jun 2012 18:28
I think there is some debate as to the stability of CDs/DVDs (although I could just be out of date).

At any rate, I decided no optical drive was worth it when I seriously assessed how often I use the one in my desktop. The only time I ever use it is to install something, or rarely an older game requires the disc to be inserted.

The first issue is addressed largely by the Mac App Store and other digital distribution platforms, and the second (along with what other software is left over that has to be installed from a disc) is solved by an external optical drive. No, it's not convenient lugging it around with you, but at least in my case I can't really think of needing optical discs unless I'm sitting down at my desk anyways, at which point I'll have plug-in access to the optical drive and an external HDD.

Obviously, right now, with CDs/DVDs still rather ubiquitous, this computer might not be for everyone if they need to handle them regularly.

@nonZero - As for pixel-art, what about scaling? Most retro-style games I've played recently run at my native resolution and just scale up the blocks so they look like old-fashioned, low resolution pixels (rendering to a smaller surface and scaling it up seems like a good way to go about it).
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You only have to look at floppies to see what is happening / will happen to optical disks.

Once it was obvious the floppy industry was in terminal decline all the big companies sold their production equipment and got out of the market. The companies that brought the equipment where only interested in running it until their was no profit left. All of a sudden you could buy disks really cheap but quality went through the floor. First thing you did when you brought a box of disks was test them and throw out the bad ones.

At £0.10 a disk and drives for £10 I don't think the manufactures are putting the same emphasis on quality as they where 10 years ago when prices where much higher and it was an industry with a future.

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@Airslide:
Quote: "As for pixel-art, what about scaling?"

True, they can be scaled up but it'll never look quite the same *tries not to seem like a purist*. I did manage to configure my SNES emulator to look pretty accurate when plugging into an TV and quite good on my old CRT monitor at low res. I had to use a "scanlines" filter for the monitor but it looked good cranked down to 640x480. It was really great playing FF4 to 6 on that

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Quote: "You only have to look at floppies to see what is happening"


When I bought my first macbook, I was wondering where the floppy drive went.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2012 22:16 Edited at: 17th Jun 2012 22:16
The '3-year life span' of a CD only applies to CD-Rs and CD-RWs. The life span of a professionally made CD in a factory is far greater.

That must be an 'average' number, too. I recently popped in a backup CD I made in 1998 and it still worked.


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Posted: 17th Jun 2012 23:02 Edited at: 17th Jun 2012 23:03
Quote: "True, they can be scaled up but it'll never look quite the same *tries not to seem like a purist*. I did manage to configure my SNES emulator to look pretty accurate when plugging into an TV and quite good on my old CRT monitor at low res. I had to use a "scanlines" filter for the monitor but it looked good cranked down to 640x480. It was really great playing FF4 to 6 on that

"


I bet a TV could be accurately rendered at very high resolutions. At standard resolution it usually looks like garbage.

As for scaling sprites, it depends on the game, but I quite like some of the scaling algorithms, especially for artsy games like RPGs.

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What I would do is make every pixel 2x or 4x as big, and play with borders, that way you keep the original feel of the game without trouble or something
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Posted: 18th Jun 2012 09:40
I also play with borders (I especially set my previous monitor to maintain AR for fullscreen as I hate the 4:3 -> 16:9 distrortion). Have been trying to write my own resizing algorithm a while now (not saying current ones are bad, just I occasionally lose details of 1 or 2 pixels) but keep getting stumped by this. Something always gets lost or ends up jagged. That's why I like(d) the scanlines, they fool(ed) the eye

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and one more kick for good measure..

http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/19/macbook-pro-retina-display-teardown-breaks/

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