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NIlooc223
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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 05:24
Whats your guys opinion on cuss words? I view them as slang and there is really nothing wrong with them. What do you think?

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 07:13
I personally don't use them, even when they are allowed. Unless I'm really mad. So it makes no difference to me whether it's allowed or not.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 08:58 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 09:24
IMHO, they shouldn't be used around children, elders, or when things are official/formal. I don't particularly care to hear them in public either - you know, the <censored> a few tables over that's dropping the f-bomb every other word. I usually reserve them for making a point. Like when something is as messed up as it can get it's <censored>-up. I know if I had kids and they used one they'd have a bar of soap shoved in their mouth real fast.

Besides, it's much more fun to not use curse words and resort to things like waving with a big smile at someone who is cursing at you (that REALLY makes them mad) or creative insults. An example of one I used the other day on someone who got mad at me and walked up to my car in the drive-through:

"Why don't you take yourself and graze down the street at the salad bar because you don't look like you could use another meal from Taco Bell you bush pig"

The woman turned around and moped off whilst I giggled half-way to work.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 09:22
TGC forum doesn't like them.
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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 09:24 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 09:25
Yeah they don't they want pretty rainbows and unicorns.

Wait no... They want you to be like your in the office.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 10:11
I don't really care, words don't offend me. Doesn't mean I swear a lot as I know some people do get offended.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 10:15
I don't usually use swear words, but when I do......

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 10:36
When someone uses swear words I feel it shows the immaturity and - to some extent - the lack of education of the person. It is completely possible to insult people without having to use swear words at all and in almost all cases it's much more effective as well.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:14
Words and words and nothing more. It's the way you use those words that gives them power.

Curse word or not a curse word, if you use it to 'hurt' someone, then it has the power to hurt them.

I use curse words when I feel the need...to really hit home a point. It's not a lack of education on my part, it's simply the power these meaningless words have on people.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:19
Agree 100% Comet...well maybe 90%. I've known many "educated" (possessing a "holy scroll" from an institution of "higher learning") people that curse like a sailor.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:24
I don't respect people who using such words without need.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:35
Depends on how you use them, i often use certain words in forms of humor - even against my mother (as long as we're both laughing right? ), or to "enchance" a sentence

or if i'm really angry



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:52 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 11:59
Language is used for a purpose and that is to communicate and when you are using a curse word you are communicating a certain meaning and that meaning is something we give it and so because of that, it has an impact when you say those words. These words may have an emotional effect, saying 'f' you to somebody might make them angry whilst saying, "I love you", might make them swoon. Such is the impact of language.

But curse words can be used in a multitude of contexts and they don't necessarily carry the same impact or the same negative connotations. For example, you might called a friend an 'effing c-word' because you're jealous, you're not being offensive, you're just having friendly banter. Friends have a tendency to insult one and another.

I have no issue with curse words, where they're not used to their full impact, they're doing no harm.

And when they are, they are effectively conveying your intended meaning and I don't think your should restrict yourself. If you're angry at someone saying, "Oh you darn fool, stop annoying me" doesn't have much of an impact, or "oh you darn idiot". Replace it with curse words and it works. As somebody who swears, it was hard getting to grips with such ways of phrasing things when I did student radio, words I didn't think of as swear words were not allowed, 'damn' included. I did say 'darn' a few times and felt like a darn fool.

I understand why people don't like it because it may be impolite or just outright rude because of the meanings they convey and they have an impact, which may not be pleasant for that person and may even offend and certainly children should not be learning how to go out of the way to offend other people. So I think it's a good idea to restrict where, when and how you swear. Amongst friends and most of my family I don't restrict myself. Amongst the public, I gauge it based on my impression of the person I'm speaking to. I certainly wouldn't swear in front of a child. I might in front of an elderly person, but it depends on the person, some of them like to swear themselves.


Quote: "When someone uses swear words I feel it shows the immaturity and - to some extent - the lack of education of the person. It is completely possible to insult people without having to use swear words at all and in almost all cases it's much more effective as well.

TheComet"


I'd argue that the point of having a vocabulary is using words you feel are appropriate to convey a message. Of course there's a whole wealth when it comes to language and the ways you can use it, but I don't think it's uneducated or even immature to use crude language. Sure uneducated and immature people use it, but they're just colloquialisms and all sorts of people use colloquialisms every day, from the least intelligent to the most intelligent. If you want to insult somebody, I think the words you use should feel right to you, I think it's even possible to be clever using swear words to that degree.

There is a poem by poet John Cooper Clarke that I would say is fairly smart, the entire thing was written as an insult to somebody and I think as far as insults go it's pretty substantial compared to calling somebody an 'effing c-word', but without its use of language, even the swear words, it just wouldn't have the same impact. It remains as a great piece of poetry too and the word use is careful and not meant just a slur. I can't even tell you the title of it without breaking the AUP. But if you are NOT offended by bad language, then I can link it(Warning: Offensive Content).

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 11:58
Quote: "When someone uses swear words I feel it shows the immaturity and - to some extent - the lack of education of the person. It is completely possible to insult people without having to use swear words at all and in almost all cases it's much more effective as well."


I only agree when it comes to discussions, if you swear in a "serious" discussion then I take it you are quite simply out of arguments



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 12:02
Quote: "I only agree when it comes to discussions, if you swear in a "serious" discussion then I take it you are quite simply out of arguments"


I half agree and only because it depends on the context. It might be used ironically, humorously (even as banter) or sarcastically. But if used to demean another person, insult them or get their backs up, then yes, it's a sign of weakness in your argument and that you're losing.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 12:39
It depends, I have nothing against using them once in a sentence to emphasise something. But when people say them 3+ times in every sentence.

I was going to post an example, but I got this message
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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 12:49 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 12:51
Quote: "It might be used ironically, humorously (even as banter) or sarcastically"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant
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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 12:59
Quote: "Your message appears to contain bad language, please edit it out."

Ha! Maybe TGC could make a filter that checks your location and grammar then throws the same error when you're in an English-speaking country typing like a 16 year old girl on a cell phone.

k! tht wud b rly rly cool! lyke omg im so lzy!

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Quote: "Quote: "It might be used ironically, humorously (even as banter) or sarcastically"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant
I know how his opponents sarcastically call him"


Lol. Yes, although I enjoy his arguments...I use the term loosely...I still make that distinction. Though that isn't what I meant. You might have:

"Cats are definitely the number one pet in the world."
"Really? But cats just sit on their a** all $%&%ing day doing £*$% all! They're like the hippies of the animal world. Scrounging sons of $&%£$es who do nothing but sit around, complain and spread some soppy message of love by sitting on your lap and purring. Seriously, dog wins."

Sarcasm, maybe a hint of humour, guy's not being 100% serious, but still making a point and is not using he bad language to demean or insult somebody. The cat lover might retort with a similar display, but only as a bit of banter.

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Quote: "Ha! Maybe TGC could make a filter that checks your location and grammar then throws the same error when you're in an English-speaking country typing like a 16 year old girl on a cell phone."


I love you. Seriously. You are a genius.

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Quote: "k! tht wud b rly rly cool! lyke omg im so lzy!"


As long as the person you are talking to understands what you say, I see no problem.



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 13:35
@ Seppuku - Great post there, very well thought through.

Quote: "I only agree when it comes to discussions, if you swear in a "serious" discussion then I take it you are quite simply out of arguments"


Quote: "It depends, I have nothing against using them once in a sentence to emphasise something. But when people say them 3+ times in every sentence."


Absolutely, I hate people that just swear "because they can". I'll admit, I very rarely through in a swear word when I really want to emphasize what I'm saying. Because I'm a person who is known not to swear, they know that I'm being serious when I do, whereas a person who swears all the time is just interpreted as "normal for him".

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 13:43 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 13:46
Just some MLP art on topic. Enjoy!

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Quote: "As long as the person you are talking to understands what you say, I see no problem."


If you are talking in private (Skype for example) then yes, I see no problem with it, but if you talk like that on a forum or on a youtube comment, you are making yourself look like an idiot to millions of other people.

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I think even on a forum it depends also. For something like TGC where you're talking about a LOT of diversity between the kinds of people we get, it would be inappropriate, particularly as there's minors who post. Some forums aren't as diverse and may find they have more in common and would feel perfectly comfortable with bad language.

I'd say the same applies to online games, but people have a tendency to be idiots and you expect it. But inside of a guild, you might expect a bit more respect and the members can also be diverse.

With no real moderation in an online game, something like a General Chat channel can mimic a YouTube comments section. You might have reasonable people, but have people who make complete buttholes of themselves. The latter of which, I'll admit, I sometimes troll.

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Quote: "With no real moderation in an online game, something like a General Chat channel can mimic a YouTube comments section. You might have reasonable people, but have people who make complete buttholes of themselves. The latter of which, I'll admit, I sometimes troll."



Yeah, even with moderation - GLHF moderating all those people. just the cheer number of goldpammers is enough to make a moderator go nut..


Quote: "you are making yourself look like an idiot to millions of other people."


Just, since you brought it up...
why should I care, about how those millions of other people look at me? Especially my internet me? is there any reason at all?



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 15:39 Edited at: 31st Jul 2012 15:40
Quote: "why should I care, about how those millions of other people look at me? Especially my internet me? is there any reason at all?
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Very good point. You shouldn't care. You are who you are, no point hiding it to satisfy people who you don't know and who you'll probably never meet.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 15:45
I think it's contextual. When dealing with people you don;t know, the automatic stance is politeness if you're not a chav, so swears don't come into it.

However, amongst friends it's pretty common - at least in my experience - for everyone to spend most of the time insulting each other, for fun. I mean, it's still more fun to try and think of creative insults in that context too...
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Quote: "Very good point. You shouldn't care. You are who you are, no point hiding it to satisfy people who you don't know and who you'll probably never meet."


Exactly - I pretty much apply that to real life to - i dont care how those people in the middle of the city looks at me while i do my victory impulse dance, because chances are, i probably wont ever meet them again...

Quote: "However, amongst friends it's pretty common - at least in my experience - for everyone to spend most of the time insulting each other, for fun. I mean, it's still more fun to try and think of creative insults in that context too..."


Indeed x)



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 16:36 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2012 00:18
Here's a tip to create some cool insulting words.

1) Think of a swear word
2) Think of a body part
3) Combine them as swear word + body part

Some examples.

[code[mod edit]because some people think fair is everyone being treated the same way[/mod edit]
butt head (old school)

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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 16:54 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2012 00:20
Quote: "why should I care,"


I never said you have to care. I just prefer to look proper (ok, I am a little weird) whenever there are people looking at me. I'm just that kind of guy, but it depends on what kind of person you are.

Quote: "Some examples"


Aww, those suck! I was thinking something along the lines of:



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Lame

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I don't swear - if I do, they'll lock me in the basement again

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Do agree

I would post a few things, but I dont dare to WATCH FOR THE MOD SQUAD >:



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Posted: 31st Jul 2012 22:24 Edited at: 1st Aug 2012 00:07
Well... [mod edit]dangerously close to getting slapped[/mod edit]... Oh wait; that's a programming language!

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TOPOGRAPHY!!!!

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I love swear words!

They're the converational equivalent of chilli source. They're not always appropriate and you can over do it but they undoubtly spice things up.

My favourite instances of swearing are Billy Connolly back in the day and a comic called Transmetropolitan by Garth Ennis.
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Quote: "[mod edit]dangerously close to getting slapped[/mod edit]"
So... I don't see why that could get me any sort of warning seeing as that is indeed the actual name of the programming language. This is a programming forum... I starred it out... Other people starred stuff out and they didn't get any warning at all. I mean... Can't we have a little humour? I censored the post so that it matched up to what other people were doing because they weren't getting in trouble. For instance, comet and dark frager did pretty much what I did. It almost feels like the mods are playing favorites here. One person is ok doing something whilst others aren't.

I hope it's ok that I'm stating my opinion here in a civilized way.....
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I noticed that to dbd79.... Why did you get a warning and not them?
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I'm GLAD you agree!
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huh? Was this a mix up BatVink? http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=199094&b=2&msg=2381001#m2381001

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I think it was! That other innocent thread should get unlocked.

And this one should get locked before I'm able to point my flame thrower at the mods long enough to get banned.
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Quote: "I think it was! That other innocent thread should get unlocked."

It was caught in the cross fire

Quote: "And this one should get locked before I'm able to point my flame thrower at the mods long enough to get banned."

I can see some "inb4loxz" coming

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Why is it that whenever someone is given a simple warning, they immediately assume the mods are picking on them?

Do you not think we have better things to do? Do you not think DBD79, that the mod who edited your post wasn't picking on you, but rather, thought you had pushed the line a little bit too far? Or would you rather believe that this mod was actively seeking any reason to give you a warning?

I've just checked the previous two starred out words, and I agree with the decision of the mod to give you a warning.

Which is more readable:
1. E******
2. Ex*mple

Normally we don't allow swearing in either form at all, but we've been lenient for this thread, because swear words are the topic.
So if you were a mod, and you decided to lay off on the strict rules of swearing for a thread, which example word would you give the warning to in the above two cases?
Would you warn the user of example 1. or example 2?

This isn't the first time you've expressed that you've felt picked on. Nobody here is actively seeking out to pick on you. Next time, consider that perhaps you've done something wrong, rather than a mod is actively seeking out to annoy you.
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2012 03:05 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2012 03:16
Quote: "It was caught in the cross fire"
Yah poor little thing eh?

Quote: "I can see some "inb4loxz" coming"
inb4loxz

EDIT:

Ok fine. Sorry. I don't really feel picked on per say, I just wanted to bring it to said mod's attention that I had been warned and not the others. And I know people aren't out to get me. So yes, I see your point, and I was thinking about that very point so I was being a tad stubborn when I wrote that post. I thank you and the mod that edited that for not taking it as far as to slap me or something.

Just doesn't seem like a mod would need to react to that at all. :/

EDIT 2:

Really? You really had to edit those other two?!???! NOW you're picking on me. (or whatever mod that is) Then you say that guy is your favorite forum buddy. Ok, now I know the difference between being picked on or not. I find that humorous.

Or no... Looking at the times it must have been some other mod. Anyway, still funny.

If that wasn't meant to be humorous, imma stalk that mod and blow my supah powah ful flame throwah at them.
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Quote: "Really? You really had to edit those other two?!???! NOW you're picking on me. (or whatever mod that is) Then you say that guy is your favorite forum buddy. Ok, now I know the difference between being picked on or not. I find that humorous."


I didn't make the edits, but you had it coming. I believe its his way of responding to your accusations of favouritism. Its satire, not to be taken seriously.
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Indeed. Figured. Hat off to the mod who did cuz that's funny.

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Comma?!
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@BiggAdd Just don't listen to me about grammar and everything'll be ok!
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I cuss all the time. The F word is fantastic, it's so versatile and can be used in conjunction with literally any and every possible sentence. I don't cuss in person very often, but when I text or chat, it would be incredibly strange if I hadn't cussed at least once.

With that said, I never cuss in formal situations, in front of children, or in front of friends' parents.

Also... I'm not going to link it here because it will get me slapped probably lol... However I want people to watch it, so go on youtube and search The F Word and click on the first video. Obviously there is lots of cussing in the video so if you are offended easily than do not watch it.

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