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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 9th Aug 2012 23:19
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So I logged on tuesday. Went to the forums to find I had been banned. Honestly, I have no clue why I was banned. Recently, after having various warnings and a slap, I made a little resolution to up my standards a tad and try and do my absolute best to behave as well as I can on these forums. These forums have been such a huge part of my Internet life for the past two or so years, so I felt I needed to stop acting like I didn't feel that way. Not long after that, I got banned. I haven't even any clue why. I've literally spent hours looking on the forums, trying to find posts I have left or things I may have said that could have possibly gotten me banned. Iv'e relentlessly racked my brain for that past few days simply trying to possibly come up with some reason in my head. Still, nothing. When I do my best to respect people, in this case on the forums, and I get banned, I leaves me confused, depressed, sad, angry, and overall just frustrated. I don't understand why I was banned.

Quote: "Reason for ban: You are the reason moderation exists."
I took that pretty darn personally. The hurt I was feeling at the moment I read that line right there... I believe a little tear almost rolled out of my eyes.

If I offended someone, and I don't know about it, I'd like to apologize.

I just... I just need to know why I was banned.

Thanks.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2012 23:40
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I think it's possible they banned the wrong person. From greenpavel's latest thread:
Quote: "Quote: "You've probably seen my posts closed"
The last one was locked because 2 forum trollers decided to take over it. Both were slapped, one was banned when he carried on with a superiority complex."
(BatVink)
But of course, you didn't post in that thread.
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Quote: "Im still puzzled over who actually got banned... is that not visible in people's profiles?... I know Comet got slapped, and someone else from that thread as well? I guess mrHandy's initial behaviour in the thread would get him slapped. But who got banned because of that thread? As Comet's still here, did mrHandy get banned? At first I thought 2 people were slapped and a third person got banned, but rereading it, it looks like it actually is mrHandy who got banned.
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(RedFlames)
But mrHandy wasn't the one banned xD

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Posted: 9th Aug 2012 23:41
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And I'd like to know why I was slapped. I find it cowardly of the moderator not to post and state why, for all you know it could have been a mistake.

I e-mailed two moderators, one of them said that no notes were attached to me so he didn't know why, and the other one still hasn't responded.

If a moderator could kindly shed some light on this It'd be most appreciated. Thanks.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2012 23:46 Edited at: 9th Aug 2012 23:47
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Yup, mrHandy and TheComet are still here I'm thinking it might be because of what he posted on the posting compo, but other than that, no idea...

Seems like everyone is confused about what actually happened, because when I heard that 2 people were slapped (okay if they trolled) and another person banned... without dbd79 even posting in that thread (as far as I know, and he says so himself...)

Couldn't the mods just tell us who it was and for what reasons? I mean I'm not questioning your decisions, I just don't really get which posts actually are the 'offensive' ones or whatever, and if dbd79 is the one who got banned (the one BatVink mentioned).
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Posted: 9th Aug 2012 23:49
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Indeed, I had no part in that thread at all... That was a suspicion of mine too.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 00:33
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Quote: "Honestly, I have no clue why I was banned."


this ring a bell?

funny all the many warnings, slaps, etc, with explanations, and you still have no clue? to use your word, "honestly?"

you consistently pollute the forum (that you profess to care so much about), continue to declare innocence (scattered with "heartfelt" apology...) and you're dumbfounded? please.

so, now, you request even more moderator attention to explain all of this. again?

they're not the only one's tired of the charade, you know.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 00:45 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 00:56
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You know what dude?!?! How about you just leave me alone. Alright?

You don't know my story and you are a horrible person to think all of this. Yes, you're right. I have had my warnings and slaps, and I do agree with and know why I have had them.

Quote: "you consistently pollute the forum"
Pollute huh?? And consistently?? I have polluted, yes, I'd be lying to say I haven't. Consistently though? Wrong.

Quote: "that you profess to care so much about"
Yes, I genuinely do care about the forum. Why do you think I don't? Have you not seen me trying to help people with their issues? Have you not seen me making threads specifically for the purpose of thanking the community for what it's done for me?

Quote: "heartfelt"
Oh yeah? Why the quotes?!? That was a genuine apology. If you fail to believe so, that's your loss.

Quote: "so, now, you request even more moderator attention to explain all of this."
Problem is with that, I don't know WHY I was banned. You really think that I could have been banned by something that happened and was address by a mod 5 days before my ban began? I think not.

You sir have ruined my day. I hope you feel good about that.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 00:55
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Quote: "Reason for ban: You are the reason moderation exists."


So clear, I'm surprised you couldn't tell from the concise information here what you did wrong.

I personally don't know why you would have been banned, but does it not say on the thread where it happened?



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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 00:56
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I think it was probably a mistake ban...
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 00:57 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 00:59
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Quote: "So clear, I'm surprised you couldn't tell from the concise information here what you did wrong."
Yah inorite?

Quote: "I personally don't know why you would have been banned, but does it not say on the thread where it happened?"
Sadly no, it doesn't. Heck, I don't even have a clue what thread it could have been from.

Quote: "I think it was probably a mistake ban..."
I hope so. I really do.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 01:09
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Your such a good member on the forum to see you banned would be very hurtful XD
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 01:10
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Aww... Thank you. I'm glad you see me for who I intend to be.
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Did you even email a mod about this? Asking it on the forums only invites people to come into the thread and troll, and mods sometimes won't see it for a while... Your best bet to find out why by emailing a mod.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 01:58 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 07:05
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Yes, I emailed 2 mods about 2 days ago. No response.

Oooh looky. Now comet's post has been approved, so I know a mod has seen this thread. Still nothing though...:/ Maybe that mod didn't know. Maybe, maybe the mods are trolling me back for trolling them. I guess that would be epic, in a way.

Meh, mods, if you know why I was banned please lemme know!
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I hope it was a mistake, I've always thought you were awesome DBD79

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 07:35
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Hey that means a lot to me! Thank you so much! Always thought you were pretty awesome too.
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No problem! and thank you for that too!

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 07:43 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 07:44
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You bet! I think I have seen more appreciation out of this whole ban situation from this thread than I have felt dis appreciation from said ban... I never really thought anyone on the forums appreciated me. Well... I spose I did find out who really doesn't like me!! Not to mention any names...**cough**virtual nomad**cough**
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:04
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And my post has been ignored... Three times.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:23 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 08:28
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Hmmm, I'm not sure why you would be banned, either. Virtual Nomad does make a point by linking to that recent thread that contained a couple back and forths between you and the mods, but surely they wouldn't wait an entire 5 days before going through with something like a ban, would they? It seemed like it was talked out inside the thread, and even if they did ban you for that reason, it's not like them not to copy/paste the AUP and state you've been banned for "so and so" reason.

Honestly I think you're a rather swell guy and certainly an active poster, haha. Sure you've got your bad moments every now and then, but there's people much more suited for bans than you, I believe personally, heh. 'Course the mods are welcome to disagree with me, I have nothing against them and they tend to make the best decisions.

I hope this is all sorted out. Take it easy on him mods, I don't think he means any harm.


[edit] Hell, I was more suited for a ban when I created my second topic upon joining the forums, and all it ended up with was a lock, heh! That's why I'm a little puzzled why you would be banned, because I don't think you'd do anything so sinister that it'd be worse than... "that thread". *shudder*

So now the more curious ones will find out that their Vice President was a complete n00b and giggle at me behind their computer screens.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:36 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 08:37
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Indeed, I agree... It would just be really darn nice if a mod could come here and work out so many people's confusion... Mine, theComet's, and other people wondering about theComet, me, or the whole greenpavel situation.

Quote: "Honestly I think you're a rather swell guy and certainly an active poster, haha"
Thank you! I appreciate it!
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Aw c'mon, that "offensive programming language" dbd79 posted was a funny joke, I wouldn't see why that would cause a ban.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:47 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 08:48
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Indeed... Ok, a mod is approving comets post and therefore this thread and is not replying. Comet has asked you questions, I have asked you questions, and lots of other people have asked the questions, why is comet slapped, why was I banned, and who got banned from the greenpavel situation? PLEASE answer these questions. I'm not the only one who wants answers.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:48 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 08:48
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You were banned for a reason by another mod (not me). No use complaining about it and just wait it out. He posted about this in the mod lounge, and if he wants to reply here then he can. Just looking at your profile I can see a slap and several warnings as it is... so your plan of being a tad above bannable really isn't working. Why not up the bar a bit and become more respected?

How are you posting when you're banned, anyway?

EDIT:

Quote: "And my post has been ignored... Three times."


Ignored by.... whom?


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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:49
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Yay!! A reply.

Quote: "Why not up the bar a bit and become more respected?"
What do you mean by that?

Quote: "How are you posting when you're banned, anyway? "
Was like a 2 or 3 day ban, not sure.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:49
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Quote: "How are you posting when you're banned, anyway? "


Maybe this is all a confusion (is that a word?) and DBD79 isn't actually banned. Yay Unicorns and happy happy magic.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 08:54 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 08:54
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Well... If a mod went so far as to actually post about me in the lounge... Really concerns me. And honestly... If that mod would like to show themselves... Heck I'll apologize to them for whatever! I don't know what I did wrong and would certainly apologize if I did know! Jeku, in theory you know why I was banned. Would you agree with the reason that that mod stated?
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And by the way, we don't really like being accused of things we're not, just as you DBD79 don't like being accused for things you feel are not warranted. I don't believe TheComet is on post approval, so I actually think I'm the first mod here. And we also don't like when people create these kinds of threads. You emailed two mods... well maybe you should have tried more than 2? The two you emailed could be very busy.

And if people are throwing around insults like "coward" toward us, then we're less likely to care to answer. If you've been banned or slapped, just deal with it. It was only for 2 days? Take a needed break from the forums and come back refreshed and rejuvinated. I have personally banned people for over 100 years, so take your measly 2-day ban with a grain of salt.

Also, our post approval system works two ways. We can approve posts inside the threads or we can approve them from a main post approval page. On the main post approval page, we don't know the context and we are searching for cuss words, flaming, etc. You'll have to excuse us if we're approving posts but not taking into account the context of thread where the post was in. The most direct way to contact mods are through email.


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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 09:13 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 09:31
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Quote: "And by the way, we don't really like being accused of things we're not"
Err wait what did I accuse you guys for? I forget stuff easily...

Quote: "You emailed two mods... well maybe you should have tried more than 2?"
Good point.

Quote: "And if people are throwing around insults like "coward" toward us, then we're less likely to care to answer."
Well, I can't say that I don't agree with comet when he says that...

Quote: "If you've been banned or slapped, just deal with it. It was only for 2 days?"
That would be easy to do if I knew why I was slapped. If I don't know, natural human curiosity kicks in and makes that break far worse than it needs to be. See, when the reason for ban is, "you are the reason moderation exists" it shows that the mod for whatever reason really doesn't feel like telling me why I have been banned. Sure, that would be perfectly acceptable if I intentionally did something very very wrong and knew about it. However, although the mod didn't know whether I intended to do wrong or not (I didn't, BTW) they should have given me a more legitimate reason for banning. That way I'd know what not to do in the future.

Quote: " I have personally banned people for over 100 years,"
Expert then are you?

Quote: "Also, our post approval system works two ways."
Actually I was beginning to suspect that.

Oh yeah...
Quote: "I don't believe TheComet is on post approval"
The two post counters keep getting misaligned when he posts and he mentions being slapped too.

Hmmm... Just a few other questions: Does it look like said mod wants to reply here? Do you agree with his reason? And could you tell me who he is so I could email him and we could discuss it there?
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I think TGC mods are fair (yeah, I am writing it while on premoderation).

But I don't get it - if DBD79 posted about brain* language,

Quote: "If you contributed to the reason for locking, you may now find yourself on moderation, or in extreme cases a ban."


that was an "extreme case"? Why ban, not premoderation? What is the difference?

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Quote: "And if people are throwing around insults like "coward" toward us, then we're less likely to care to answer. If you've been banned or slapped, just deal with it."


I'm sorry for saying that.

I have been slapped for a week and no one (including myself) knows why. I'm confused, that's all.

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Quote: "If I offended someone, and I don't know about it, I'd like to apologize."


Apology accepted

As to the why?
GreenPavel created a thread, and people have no right to criticise somebody for not speaking English as a first language. As the rules state and are visible everytime you visit Geek Culture, if you haven't got anything constructive to say, don't say anything. So that got 2 people slapped.

As it turns out, the decision was bang on, but too late. GreenPavel has now asked to have his account closed, as he feels unable to continue as part of this community.

This triggered a discussion in the Posting Competition, where there was a suggestion of starting an anti-mod group (which was followed up with a warning), then a second post which set about ridiculing the moderating system; this is what got the 2 day cooling-off period, as we know from experience that this kind of discussion leads to a proliferation of unruly behaviour by many more forumites, and the volunteer mods have much better things to do than mop up the mess.

Quote: "If a mod went so far as to actually post about me in the lounge... Really concerns me"

I use the ban button about once every 12 months. If I press it, I let the other mods know my reasoning in case they get asked.

I too apologise for the ban message you saw, but please realise that I also take it personally when a post publically undermines the role I play as a volunteer moderator.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 12:25 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 12:47
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@MrHandy, thing is, I was banned on tuesday or perhaps late monday. Long time between then and any other situation I have had with a mod.

The only thing I could possibly think could be it.. When I was joking about creating some anti mod organization... Like, I don't see how someone could interpret that not as a joke. That was meant as a joke and not meant to be replied to. BatVink replied with what I thought was a humorous response, so I replied back in what I thought was another humorous response. Next day, I'm banned. That's the only thing I have come up with. And really I don't have a clue why a joke like that could get me slapped let alone banned.

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Quote: "Apology accepted"
Haha ok... Im glad you accept it.

Quote: "where there was a suggestion of starting an anti-mod group (which was followed up with a warning)"
Ah yes!! I think THIS is where it all fell apart. See, I was joking when I suggested said group. I guess you didn't interpret it as so, therefore you warned me. However, your post looked humorous to me as well... So... I guess I misinterpreted you serious post as being funny, and so I replied with that one thing about programming languages and the like.

So you know I was joking about all of the anti mod stuff, right?

Quote: "I too apologise for the ban message you saw, but please realise that I also take it personally when a post publically undermines the role I play as a volunteer moderator."
Apology accepted. But... You did know I was kidding, right? Like... I respect you as a mod and for keeping the forums clean and whatnot... Know that. And I meant in no way to offend or undermine you and/or your respect worthy role as a moderator.

I suppose and hope you see why being banned made me so sad... Like, I intend to be a good fellow forumite (thx for that word, BTW ) and it just gets strange when that backfires on me... But yah I totally forgive you and all...

Oh yeah! Thank you for telling me why I was banned! Pretty much the only question that was on my head for a while there.

Also, I wasn't the one you referred to who carried on with the superiority complex, was I? Because to my knowledge, I never did post in that thread.
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This is going to be awkward if GreenPavel comes on one day and admits to being a giant troll whom can also speak perfect English.

Also, not everyone who gets moderated will come back and ask why they had been. Which doesn't mean someone who has also done the same as you has gotten away with it.

Getting depressed and angry etc. over some thing on the internet, when it does not directly compromise your identity is not worth getting worked up about. Just forget about it for a few days and you might find you don't feel the need to come back and post.

I used to post all the time when I first joined these forums and back then I was about 19, 25 now. I felt like I had to post a reply back to most people and was called a troll for it, which is completely stupid because the people I replied to had baited me to reply but I get called a troll, how does that work? Which basically then caused me to reply much more and get more moderations. I think this is probably what's happening with you in some cases, though you also seem to post for pure kicks.

Just my advice, might help you become a better user on here if you take it the right way it was intended for.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2012 15:14 Edited at: 10th Aug 2012 15:15
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Hmm... Good points there, I'll take your advice well.

Quote: "you might find you don't feel the need to come back and post."
True true, I just didn't have the slightest clue really and I didn't want it to be where I felt like I was just randomly banned. Because until BatVink replied, that's really what it seemed like: a random ban...

Quote: "though you also seem to post for pure kicks."
You mean I post to be a troll or I post just for fun?

Thank yee for le advisionary advice. I shall charish and use it for the rest of my forumite career.

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I vouch for DBD79 as being half clean... (I left the vitamins under the stairs dude...) **cough**

But yeah glad you got this mess cleaned up as I would hate to have to wait around for you for a hundred years...just to get a reply

Anyway... I am at my shop now and there are dodgy gits standing around... GTG...

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Quote: "I vouch for DBD79 as being half clean... (I left the vitamins under the stairs dude...) **cough**"
lolwut

Quote: "But yeah glad you got this mess cleaned up as I would hate to have to wait around for you for a hundred years...just to get a reply"
yainorite?

Quote: "Anyway... I am at my shop now and there are dodgy gits standing around... GTG..."
I see...

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Also keep in mind that punishment here is progressive. If you've been slapped before, the next step is a ban; and so on. It's natural for people to disagree with why they were banned; but it makes little difference in the end. We are here to keep the peace, and dole out the punishment we deem to be effective. If you take it personally; then that's on you.

Use this experience to be a better "Forum-ite". The alternative, is to permanently ban your account.

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Quik
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I know I was banned before, I asked a mod about it - who refered me to the one "guilty", I talked to him, sorted it out and it resulted in a 30 day slap instead.

Since then I dont think i have gotten any punishments x) Anyway, that's the route to go in this kind of situation - be patient, ask around with the mods - in form of mail, and sort out the issue



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Quote: "Use this experience to be a better "Forum-ite". The alternative, is to permanently ban your account."


And you know what that means. No more Blueberry muffins.


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Dark Java Dude 64
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I didn't know they served blueberry muffins!

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Travis Gatlin
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I've never been banned before. Only slapped once for posting my age. Also and only have had 4 threads out of about 77 made locked. I'm a good kid!

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Quik
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3 out of 151 POKEMON



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9 out of 351 threads locked. Some by my own request, I know at least one was a duplicate. I did have big politics & religion big no-no with plenty of flaming back in my early days. That was 2 thread locks (the thread itself and the apology). I know one was Flamebait where I wasn't doing any of the flaming.

The thread I made after getting slapped got locked. I got slapped for insulting the mods, jokingly of course, but my insult did cross the line and caused offense. I think if people looked other people's history on the forums, they might feel better about their own mistakes/stupidity. People don't seem to care as long as you learn from your mistakes. We've had cases of people being completely insane to become much more respectable. Though we've also had completely insane people ragequit.

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1 locked thread in 189, and that was a duplicate Clearly I don't post many controversial threads...

Been slapped once or twice though

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Yodaman Jer
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I don't think I've even been slapped, or if I have I just never noticed.

I've had a couple of locked threads, one was by request and the other was turning into flamebait, and I'm sure there's a few more in my past but I'm too lazy to go past my posting history page.

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Travis Gatlin
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The 4 and the slap I got was when I had my mega little kid temper lol One of them was a duplicate thread though. Now I'm nice and cool tempered. So I don't plan on getting in trouble here any time soon.

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Dark Java Dude 64
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See I'm like most people that don't generally get in trouble, but I guess I have had a little streak of unintentional bad behavior...

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Jeku
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Quote: "I don't think I've even been slapped, or if I have I just never noticed."


I just checked and you're right, you've never been banned or slapped!


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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 12th Aug 2012 12:29 Edited at: 12th Aug 2012 12:30
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He joined as a wee youngster and has never been slapped for any immature posts. I think that in itself is worth a badge. Heck, I'm 23 now and I'm sure I still make stupid or immature posts.

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