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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 05:05 Edited at: 15th Aug 2012 08:15
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The new motherboard I got is an ASUS P8H77-M Pro with a Core i5 3570 CPU (Stock clock) and Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B. Everything is fine besides a few "Minor" issues.

First is the RAM. Windows 7 and the BIOS detect all 16GBs (4x 4GB) sticks all fine. But in the BIOS, it reads the frequency is at 1378MHz. These sticks are rated 1600MHz out of the box. The motherboard manual states that the max memory it supports with a 3rd gen Intel CPU (Without Overclocking) is 1600MHz. I do see opinions to chance the frequency to 1648Mhz in the BIOS but to be honest, I'm a tad scared to do that as I don't want any problems to occur when this happens. Any of you had this problem and found a good, safe way to fix it ? Or is that the only way ?

Second, for some odd reason, I have to manually boot my to my HDD to get into windows. I set it in the BIOS to always boot to the HDD and save it but it never boots. I have to go into the BIOS to manually boot to the HDD every time I start up the machine. Very annoying. Any way to fix this ?

Besides that, there are no issues.

[b]EDIT: Problems solved. See below.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 05:46
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might sound like a silly suggestion but did you reinstall windows or just change over the motherboard?

I think windows remembers the motherboard serial number and cracks it if you swap them over. I had this issue with windows xp when I changed motherboards. I never thought to manually boot windows.

If your ram is 1600Mhz I see no reason not to change the settings to match it. I imagine the lower setting is the more common frequency so they set that as factory default.

strange though, i would have thought that It would have detected the new rams specs.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 05:56 Edited at: 14th Aug 2012 05:57
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Quote: "might sound like a silly suggestion but did you reinstall windows or just change over the motherboard?"


Just Changed the board but then I did a re-install on a different HDD (because I wanted to keep my data on my old HDD and have it just load it up from my old PC) and same problem so I just loaded my old HDD so I can keep my data and settings which worked. It did manage to Boot automatically twice but 95% of the time I have to boot it manually.

Quote: "I think windows remembers the motherboard serial number and cracks it if you swap them over. I had this issue with windows xp when I changed motherboards. I never thought to manually boot windows."


Nah I used to always simply switched HDDs from different builds but get mixed results. In XP, It would give me a BSoD everything I try a different PC with the HDD. Since Vista, that problem dropped and since Windows 7, only once it BSoD a PC on boot but I normally do that. Even so I did try a clean install of Windows anyways...

Quote: "If your ram is 1600Mhz I see no reason not to change the settings to match it. I imagine the lower setting is the more common frequency so they set that as factory default.

strange though, i would have thought that It would have detected the new rams specs."


Yes very strange. But I'm not entirely sure it would make much of a difference. Going from DDR2 800MHz 8GB RAM to DDR3 1600MHz (1333MHz according to this BIOS) at 16GB is kinda of a big step.

I'll see if I can mess around in the BIOS settings a bit more to fix the problem with the HDD. As for the RAM, I kinda need more people to tell me what's a good idea or not...

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 06:30
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The 1378MHz for your ram sounds like its clocking it at the 1333 standard. Your board claims to support 2200, if you overclock it. Maybe that's what you need to do to support 1600. Also, did you check your ram on Asus's compatibility list for the board? You might also see if there are any firmware updates.

I searched online and have found a few cases where people have the same ram issue as you, every case has been a different brand of ram though. You might need to manually set the timings.

My old board (which I found out the other day when the cmos died) by default turns off USB. I spent an hour yelling at why my computer's mouse no longer worked.


As for the harddrive, I don't know what you mean by manually booting it from the bios. In 15 years I've never seen an option in any bios that says hey boot from this drive right now without restarting. Do you have the correct HDD selected in the boot order?

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 07:16
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Quote: "I searched online and have found a few cases where people have the same ram issue as you, every case has been a different brand of ram though. You might need to manually set the timings."


Yeah I noticed. And I worked over my fears and set the timings after a BIOS update. According to the BIOS it's set at 1600MHz. I'm gonna do some memory test to see if there are any problems.

Quote: "As for the harddrive, I don't know what you mean by manually booting it from the bios. In 15 years I've never seen an option in any bios that says hey boot from this drive right now without restarting. Do you have the correct HDD selected in the boot order?"


Simple. By "Manually" I mean by this:

When I press the power button or restart my PC via windows. The PC boots up, shows the ASUS Logo and gives me an option to press DEL to enter the UEFI BIOS. I ignore that so it could boot to windows automatically (Normally). The logo disappears after 3 secs and then it tells me:

No Hard disk detected! Press [SPACE] to continue

Even without pressing SPACE the board feels the need to restart itself. It'll keep this up until I do the following:

When the ASUS Logo pops up, I press DEL To enter the UEFI BIOS. On the bottom, there is a large HDD Icon which I can click on with my mouse. When I do, in this small text box below it. It shows my HDD. I then press F3 to enter the boot menu and it gives me options on what to boot. I select my HDD. And what happens ?

BAM ! Starting Windows.

Now do you understand what I mean by "Manually" booting ? I have to enter the BIOS, go to the boot menu and select my HDD and press enter so I can boot into windows. Yes, I set the BIOS to boot to my HDD but every time it saves the settings and restart it seems to never saves the setting to boot to the HDD. But it did manage to save all the other stuff it seems.

Now here's the really weird part. I just uninstalled a software I no longer want and it told me I need to restart. I restarted and it still gave me that error. This time when the board restarted, it gave me the error again but booted into Windows anyway. This is the 3rd time it's done this out of about 10 times and it's really, really odd...

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 07:49 Edited at: 14th Aug 2012 07:50
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Ive had the boot issue recently you need to disable the other hard drive in the boot options it was a bit weird to see that ability...

Also check your raid configuration...

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Posted: 14th Aug 2012 07:58 Edited at: 14th Aug 2012 07:58
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Quote: "Ive had the boot issue recently you need to disable the other hard drive in the boot options it was a bit weird to see that ability."


Sorry. No other hard drives installed. I did say I did a clean install on another HDD but that was to see if it fixed the problem perhaps. I formatted it and gave the drive to my mother as a backup and kept this drive. So I only have one. So no raid....

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Hmm... enable raid on the sata port of your hdd, but do not enable it as a raid device, I found this works... as when I disabled raid... I ran into issues immediately... perhaps you can use a camera to screen grab your bios and show us the options relating to boot menu and hdd/raid config...

erm or linky the online manual download >.<

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Quote: "Hmm... enable raid on the sata port of your hdd, but do not enable it as a raid device, I found this works... as when I disabled raid... I ran into issues immediately... perhaps you can use a camera to screen grab your bios and show us the options relating to boot menu and hdd/raid config..."


I'll check out the RAID part in a bit. I'm just enjoying the PC as my games run fairly smoother and since it's been 3 weeks without having a PC.

Quote: "linky the online manual download"


Here you go: http://www.manualowl.com/m/Asus/P8H77-M-PRO/Manual/263026

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http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H77M_PRO/#download

This would have done better...

Are you using AHCI mode? is it an HDD or SDD [I love my SDD >.<]

Try IDE or RAID mode... enable Hot Swap too

See Chapter 3 Page 18...

If not try AHCI >.<

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Quote: "Try IDE or RAID mode... enable Hot Swap too"


I was an IDE, switched it to AHCI didn't do anything. I'll try the RAID or Hot Swap now.

Quote: "is it an HDD or SDD "


It's an HDD, an old Western Digital Caviar Blue 640GB (WD6400AAKS). I will get an SSD in the future once my other checks come in. I just needed these parts because I needed a PC for job stuff.

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Ok. The problem has been solved. Solution ?

.....I have no idea. After playing a few games for a bit and watching some videos online. I restarted the PC and the keyboard wouldn't respond when I was asked to press DEL to enter the BIOS. I still get the message stating that there is no Hard Disk Detected. It reboots really fast after that, shows me the logo for 3 secs which my keyboard still doesn't respond to when I press keys. But after that, Windows does boots up. I restarted the PC about twice and even completely turned it off and turned it back on and it's booting normally. Oddly but normally....

I just can't fathom on what in the world happened. Since I installed this board mid-day yesterday and has been working on it for almost all day and just couldn't find the problem. The problem seemed to have fixed itself. Perhaps it was the software asking for a restart ? Was it the BIOS update ? I honestly haven't the slightest idea as to what is going on and you know what. I'm going to leave it that way. Thank you all for all the help. But I'll still see if I can get to the bottom of this....

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Could have been some sort of fault that fixed itself. I've seen wierd stuff like that before. Sometimes powering it off and leaving it unplugged for 5 minutes will fix similar issues.

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I really couldn't understand it and still don't. Why say no Hard Disk detected when it detects a HDD anyways AND still boots ? Well, no need to scratch my head over nothing I suppose...

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I would submit a ticket with Asus and ask them about it. You could just have a goofy faulty board. If you keep having issues, I'd consider RMA.

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Quote: "I would submit a ticket with Asus and ask them about it. You could just have a goofy faulty board. If you keep having issues, I'd consider RMA."


Well besides that bothersome "false" error. There is no problems with the board really. It works just fine. But I still see your point. Until things get worse (Which I doubt it but we'll see) then I'll do it.

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If my ram wasn't running at the speeds advertised, I wouldn't be ok with it. And the board isn't detecting your harddrive properly either.

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Quote: "If my ram wasn't running at the speeds advertised, I wouldn't be ok with it."


That's fixed. The BIOS now detects the correct frequency.

Quote: "And the board isn't detecting your harddrive properly either."


That's also fixed. It boots up normally anyway. It gave me that false error when I have my USB EHDD inserted. It's fine now.

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