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Isocadia
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Posted: 18th Nov 2012 21:57 Edited at: 18th Nov 2012 22:29
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So, during my recent overclocking adventure I've found out that the reason I can't get my AMD Phenom II x4 955 over 3.6Ghz is because it overheats. Naturally I'm looking for replacement. The problem I'm facing is that there is so much choice, I don't know what to buy.
The things I find most important are:
Noise: I don't want my PC to turn into a jet engine.
Compatibility: It needs to be AM3 and the new intel (1155) compatible.
Backplate: I'd rather not have a backplate, since my Antec902 doesn't have a hole cut out, and cutting it out myself, well, I'd rather not.

Current:
Zahlmann 9500 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118003

Coolermaster V8: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055&Tpk=Coolermaster%20v8

Corsair H60:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181015

Arctic Freezer Xtreme:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186066&Tpk=Arctic%20Freezer%20Xtreme

Scythe Ninja 3 rev.B:http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Scythe/Ninja_3_Rev.B/963545/

Zalman 9900:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118046&Tpk=Zalman%209900

So these are the different coolers I can buy here in Holland, and I was wondering if any of you had personal experience with some of them and which one would be best for me.

Thanks in advance,

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Posted: 18th Nov 2012 22:40 Edited at: 18th Nov 2012 22:46
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i have this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scythe-SCORC-1100-Orochi-Rev-B-1366-Socket-CPU-Cooler-/271104491386?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item3f1f163f7a

no need anything else..
i got it for 2 years already, works like charm, i give a pretty hard boost on my CPU with overclocking, and the best part it doesnt make any noise at all!

edit:
its not exactly what i got so i puted the one above that almsot the same look.

but then i googled and found my current one with bigger fan and lower heatsink:





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Posted: 18th Nov 2012 22:49
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That's the first time I've ever seen such a design xD

But it looks nice, would it by accident be the Scythe Samurai ZZ

http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Scythe/Samurai_ZZ_Rev._B/970203/?tk=7&lk=1693
???

It looks nice, though I really want to be sure it can handle everything I can trow at it ( which means the OC limit is the limit of the CPU, not the temps getting to high ).
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Posted: 18th Nov 2012 23:56 Edited at: 18th Nov 2012 23:58
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@ Isocadia

Als je recent de loterij hebt gewonnen dan raad ik je deze ten zeerste aan.

http://www.informatique.nl/201203/larkooler-waterkoeling-set-g1-4.html

Koop in ieder geval geen gesloten waterkoeling systemen.

Veel succes met je zoektocht,


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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 06:56
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@ Norion

Wauw, dat ik hier nog een nederlander tegen mag komen Maarja, geen loterij voor mij dus het wordt maar verder zoeken xD

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Something to note is that my budget stops at about 70 euro's
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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 09:47 Edited at: 19th Nov 2012 09:48
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@ Isocadia

Remember ? http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=192489&b=2

I suggest that you take a look at http://tweakers.net/
I'm pretty sure you will find what you need on that website.

http://tweakers.net/categorie/488/processorkoeling/producten/

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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 16:17
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Damn, I completely forgot about that thread

Still think it should be build though
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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 17:35
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So, after spitting trough quite alot of reviews today, I think I'm gonna stay with Zalman, though I'm wondering which of these two you would recommend:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118097&Tpk=Zalman%20CNPS12x

Or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133&Tpk=Zalman%20CNPS14x
*With the above, which fans should I install on the 2 empty sides of the heatsink, and what do I do if I haven't got 3 CPU fan headers on my mobo?

Which one would you think be best, the CNPS12x, or could I push the 14x way further with some good extra fans ( like corsairSP140mm fans?? )?
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Quote: "But it looks nice, would it by accident be the Scythe Samurai ZZ"

no, actually it was the screenshot i attached to my 1st reply to you..

@ Isocadia:
so isnt that one you wanna stay with Zalman (1st one) too noisy? i see 3 fans build in.. it defenately makes some noise..

the 2nd one looks better, but i dont see any fan on it.. do it have one?

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It's in the center, with the possibility of attaching 2 more on the outsides. And the CNPS12x maxes out at 39dba. Anyway, from what I've read, the 14x isn't all that good ( attaching 2 other fans makes a 1 degree *C difference ) so I think that the CNPS12x looks like a nice replacement, especially if you use the resistor cable which limits the noise to 36dba if I remember correctly.
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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 18:09
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How about this one: http://www.informatique.nl/892640/zalman-cnps12x.html

I've heard good things about it in this review http://www.bouweenpc.nl/reviews/koeling-reviews/zalman-cnps12x-review

I'd suggest you take a look at it.

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Already did read previous post, I was thinking about buying the cnps12x xD

Actually, I think I'm gonna go for that one, unless suddenly there's a crazy cheap good quiet alternative, which I doubt
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Posted: 19th Nov 2012 20:14 Edited at: 19th Nov 2012 20:16
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@ Iso

I think I missed that part then.

I'm thinking of buying it to, but I'm going to wait for you to buy it, and ask you if it is really as good as they say it is.

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Oooh, stress xD

We'll you're gonna have to wait till next month, cause only then it'll be payback time xD ( I'm out of money till december 12 xD had to buy a ring for my gf, costly little things xD )
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Hmm, small off topic question:

I've currently OC'd my phenom to 3.8Ghz at 1.50V 200|19x ( needed, asus mobo drops VCore by 0.1V under load, which leaves me a small 1.4V to OC with )
Anyway, When using CPU-Z to read my core clock, it fluctuates between 3799.85 and 3800.15.
Is this something I should worry about. The system is still stable after 1 hour of Prime95 ( with windows open and ambient temps and 16 *C until new cooler arrives ), but would this make my pc crash on the long run or is it normal?

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Do you have any sort of power saving options enabled in your bios? Just a hunch, probably completely wrong.


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I've disabled everything in the bios which looks like power saving functions ( C&Q, Spread Spectrum, C1E etc. ) and set windows to performance. Maybe I've mist something, but I'm pretty sure every power saving feature is disabled.

Also, I've noticed that all frequency fluctuations go paired with a change in the VCore from 1.408 to 1.424. Could the problem still be not enough VCore??? Cause I'm not really keen to go over 1.5V, unless ofcourse I find a way to underclock my CPU again manually when idle.
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Posted: 20th Nov 2012 16:31 Edited at: 20th Nov 2012 16:33
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It fluctuates between .30 mhz, it's probably just a rounding issue really or just the way the chip works.

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Quote: "I'm out of money till december 12 xD had to buy a ring for my gf, costly little things xD"







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Quote: " I'm out of money till december 12 xD had to buy a ring for my gf, costly little things xD"

Marriage eh? That's probably the last paycheck you'll ever see!

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Posted: 21st Nov 2012 20:26 Edited at: 21st Nov 2012 21:45
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Not marriage, just a 5 year together ring

Anyway, still cost a big load xD ( actually, it wasn\'t \"that\" expensive, I'm just really out of money after buying a MSI 660ti PE and a new PS3 after my old one died )

Edit: Also, after reading some more information, I found out that the Zalman sadly will hit my RAM heatsinks, apparantly the fan that's above the RAM sticks is able to touch it, even when the heatsink isn't. Anyway, that leaves me with something apparantly even better:

The Noctua NH-D14:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

With the tasty chocolate brown casing... painted black xD

Together with some new Arctic MX2 ( my old arctic silver 5 tube has died on my latest venture to a friends pc ) and a fan controller, though I'm still searching for one I can actually buy in holland. Computer stores kinda have a limited collection of items outside of the basic components of a PC.
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Posted: 24th Nov 2012 20:33 Edited at: 24th Nov 2012 20:38
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If you want to do serious overclocking then watercooling solutions are your best bet. You used to be able to get systems that cool both your CPU and GPU on the same system, so you can overclock both. Or you can run two separate systems if you have room in your case.

As games mostly use GPU these days, and most games will still run on a single or dual core processor unless you are doing heavy CGI crunching there's little benefit to overclocking your CPU. I'm still using a stock 3.0Ghz AMD X4 and so far I've not found anything I can't use it with. I do work with a lot of HD video (which uses GPU acceleration) and dabble in CGI with blender and Poser (which use CPU), and even then I find it's better to keep your CPU at stock speeds for the sake of stability. When you start to overclock you risk having an unstable system.

Overclocking reduces the lifespan of your hardware.



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If you can't afford these solutions, then to be honest the air coolers are ok, but there's not enough benefit to offset the risk. The only people who should be overclocking their systems are those people who can afford to replace the whole thing at the drop of a hat. I would be surprised if you got more than a 5% - 7% stable speed increase.
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@Daniel

I'm only overclocking because I find it fun to do. And from what I've found overclocking the IMC from 2Ghz to 2.6Ghz actually increased my Skyrim framerate with and average of 6FPS.

I can actually replace the entire thing ( I still have the same phenom I have now which my friend used before going to intel this year ), but I enjoy the tweaking. It's actually the overclocking process itself I'm doing it for rather than actual ingame increase.

Another reason for wanting to replace my zalman is ( secretly ) that the zalman fan has green led's, and my pc uses blue leds xD. And while I'm upgrading, why not go for the best air cooler out there
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