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greenlig
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Oh what penence shall i pay for this deed!!

please strike out this plague before it spreads inot the masses!!!

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!!!

As a side note, their entity sytem looks interesting...any helpful comments about how dbpro can do teh same thing?

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 15:15 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 15:16
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Quote: "Oh what penence shall i pay for this deed!!"


Offer a sacrifice to the Gods, like ummm ... burn the Blitz box
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greenlig
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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 15:20
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i didnt buy it!! i just browsed the site...that isnt really a sin, but i actually..felt....something.......

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 15:29
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Quote: "but i actually..felt....something......."

You were almost taken by the Dark Side young Padawan

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greenlig
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sorry master, it wont happen again.

**scrapes head with spatula as penance**

Hye funny thing happened the other day..i watched my cousin nearly drown, and the day before, i watched a guy nearly et stabbed...wierd hey?

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All that bad luck!? Hmmm...perhaps New Zealand has put an ancient Moari curse on the whole of Australia after being beaten in rugby

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Unless your name is Bob Ross, then you can do it in thirty minutes.
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lol, perhaps...but im stuck way out in the bush, so i dont think it would get this far!! having 12 houses all in all in the town makes us pretty remote

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 15:45 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 15:47
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HANG HIM.
thats right u wil be sacrificed to the DB god.
um...whoever that is..

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actually..I have never been ONCE to the blitz site! Never even seen any of the games. I'll try it out now, maybe even get it. I dont know.

Untill then, hold the hanging.

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Quote: "You were almost taken by the Dark Side young Padawan "


Funny, they call us the Darkside

/me raises both arms in terror, one holding the energy of DarkBasicPro, the other holding the energy of BlitzBasic3D

Only when you use both of these, and that you understand that its what you like that counts, will you understand that Blitz isnt evil.
Yeah, thats right, I like em both, so sue me


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I think ill get blitz. Sure DB has a much more immpresive site, better community and products and seems more user freindly. One thing is I mean no offence to TGC but the blitz showcase kicks our ass.

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Oh dear, the Dark Side has claimed another victim.

Do we call you Darth Megaton from now on?

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 16:48
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Nothing wrong with blitz3d. I bet if I stumbled on it first I would've bought it, but I found db website first. Yea, Blitz3D has some kickass games, so that means we gotta start doing some real work.



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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 16:53 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 16:53
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"any helpful comments about how dbpro can do teh same thing"

actually according to DBDNers TGC has been thinking about implementing an entity sytem in DBP for a while but they don't know how to implement it. by that i mean thy're not sure if they should leave the old limb commands in, or replace them, or what.. personally i think they should just get rid of the limb system. leaving it in will do nothing but to bloat the language even more than it is now and confuse newbies who don't understand why there are two heirarchy systems, one crappy one and one good one.

"Funny, they call us the Darkside"

hehe it's cool being evil.

stop looking at me!
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Blitz is a great language to use.

But,

Dark Basic Pro can do alot more with the DX 9 support it has. Better effects. I think it's a little simpler to use if you've use any other kind of Basic. DBP sprites are better and the sound and music commands may be a little bit better. The new shaders will be nice if I ever figure them out.

Blitz games don't seem to have as much of a compatiblity issue with video cards as DBP does.

If I were going to make a nice 3d with high in effect DBP is the way to go, but if I want to make simpler shareware and freeware games for older systems I would use Blitz. I like both of them very much.

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What is the entity system?

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you control entities (objects, lights, matrix's (terrains), cameras, everything) using the same command set, and you store their data to names, not numbers like we use in DBPro.


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"What is the entity system?"

in DBP we have

position object
position camera
position matrix
position light
position particles

etc. so we have all these position commands (and rotate commands, and scale commands, and color commands, and the list goes on) when they all do the exact same thing -- position something in 3d space.

so instead of having all these duplicate commands, blitz has one:

PositionEntity

you can position lights, cameras, objects, terrains, ANYTHING in 3d that can have a position.

this also opens up a few opportunities. you can make a heirarchy ststem built out of anything. so you can have a light be a child of an object (stick some headlights on a car). or just make it easier to build mesh heirarchies. if you've used DB's limb system you'll know why something else would be better

not to mention all you have to do to make a heirarchy is use one command -- EntityParent. there is no other step. just parent the entity and voila.

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Makes me wonder why we had limbs in the first place. Entities just seem so much more efficient, or is there a plus to the limb system?



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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 17:25
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Maybe TGC and BlitzSoftware should work together to make a new language

It'd be great, it'd break rivalries, and bring two powerful communities together.


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Or kill alot of people.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 17:45 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 17:46
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haha i've often thought of that hey the impossible's happened before. sega is now working with nintendo, after all!

ok i didn't see megaton's post. i haven't oven thought of killing people :o i have, however, thought of the 2 languages joining as one.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 17:46 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 19:17
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I have a registered copy of Blitz3D, so a quick summary for those who have never used it:

1) It is very well organised - the entity system is fantastic. It is possible to emulate it in DarkBASIC (see the Code Snippets forum). Many features are very flexible as well.

2) It is a bit backwards though, it only got cube mapping and normal mapping a few weeks ago. Lacks some important features like SET CAMERA TO IMAGE. It isn't anywhere near as flexible as DarkBASIC Pro when it comes to plugins though. I started a version of BGUI for it, but the lack of internal access was quite annoying.

3) It is faster for 2D, but slower for 3D. Depends on the system quite a bit though.

4) The userbase tends to be older and some of the guys there are extremely experienced. The downside is that it is harder for newbies.

5) It cost 2x as much as DBPro. Edit: This is if you live in the UK and are able to buy DBPro from Amazon


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Quote: "It cost 2x as much as DBPro."


They both cost $100 if I'm correct.


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"It cost 2x as much as DBPro"

what? DBP is $100 and B3D is $100.

where did you buy your copy?

my god this is a hot topic

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Posted: 16th Nov 2003 18:01 Edited at: 16th Nov 2003 18:01
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At amazon.co.uk you can get DBpro for around $60- only within the EU, though.


Quote: "Lacks some important features like SET CAMERA TO IMAGE"

I don't know Blitz3D well, but can't you render to an image buffer?

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hmmm...I'll get it anyway.
(note: I dont exactly know how TGC and blitz coming together would kill anyone, but I can tell you, alot of fanboys will be jumping of bridges )

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"but can't you render to an image buffer?"

nope. cameras only render to the backbuffer. you can then copy from the backbuffer to an image or texture, but of course that'll cost you some speed.

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I bought Blitz 3D the day it came out. Never really used it.

Saying that, I bought DBP the day it came out (pre-order), and apart from those VB apps for the editor I wrote, have pretty much done nout with that either.

Hmmm. I am really lazy... and crap with money...

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Quote: "what? DBP is $100 and B3D is $100. "


DBP costs £35 from Amazon, Blitz3D cost me £70.


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but like you said, only from the EU, which kinda leaves me out

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Quote: " but like you said, only from the EU, which kinda leaves me out"

Move...

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yeah, i notced that the entity sytem would allow for more. But, it can be done pseudo i believ, just by setting it up in code

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I'm working on an Entity library for DBPro. Quite easy, already have objects, lights, camera, and terrains worked into it


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I once had a run in with blitz. I got on my knees and prayed that the great Lee would save me! I've now come back to the light.

You, however... Shame thee!

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I once had Lee appear in my dream. He said that if I ever EVER used something over then DarkBASIC he would personally come down to my house and "bust a cap in my ass". Yep. Word for word.
I was afraid to go back to sleep after that.

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lol, i dram about my games as well

maybe you should stop that stuff..it makes you

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hmmm...let me think...No.

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Quote: "All that bad luck!? Hmmm...perhaps New Zealand has put an ancient Moari curse on the whole of Australia after being beaten in rugby "


You guys better not do the same after we kick your ass in the Final


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Hah! Not a chance

Hmmm, if we did loose I wonder what would be an English curse be?

Force all Australians to drink tea instead of a can of Fosters perhaps.

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Haha, I think we'd have to organize a mass-suicide if that ever happened.


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Hah hah...Steriotypes are hilarious. We've got an Aussie import student in right now. She get's such a slagging, but we all like her. She does some silly stuff though. She wears a scarf like Dr Who, but she doesn't know who that is. (BBC TV show in the 80's)

Well. Right then. Umm.

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lol, yeah.

Damn you Scottsmen. The Proclaimers are cool though.


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Damn everyone except Americans, because I'm an American, and the world revolves around us and why should I learn a second language when I can spend my entire life being an ignorant @$$hole that only listens to country music.

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I also chanced a look at Blitz3D,I liked it,so I bought it.
(forgive me darkBASIC!)


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Quote: "Damn everyone except Americans, because I'm an American, and the world revolves around us and why should I learn a second language when I can spend my entire life being an ignorant @$$hole that only listens to country music.
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how can some ppl listen to country music

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Yeah, I thought Rap was supposed to be the new age 'music'... that is if it can be called Music at all, it's about as musical as someone shouting racist insults at you really, really, really fast. That's just a matter of opinion though.


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if you like blitz goto the llrgt forum

http://www.dannywartnaby.co.uk/rgt/

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Right on Exeat!!!

Go AUSSIE! lol...

Btw, thank's to RobK for the brief run-down of Blitz compared to Dark.

But, is there a full comparison anywhere? or somewhere that even has two one-sided comparisons?

Just so that i can compare the two languages...

Thanks all.


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Blitz - 5 letters
Dark - 4 letters

Hope I helped.

...and like that; he's gone...
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