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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 19:09 Edited at: 12th Jan 2013 19:10
Last night on the news they were talking about Goverement officals trying to take a strong stand aginst "violent games". Normally I would not dicuss politics but this effects everyone here since it realtes to FPS games. The idea is to take "Gun Control" to the next level by banning any game that has guns in it such as FPS games. Not sure if it will go anywhere law wise but kinda scary.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 19:12 Edited at: 12th Jan 2013 19:13
I think people have this backwards. I believe we have a natural instinct for war and violence (how else would we have survived this far?). In the 21st century we don't have that much fighting to do, so I think we need to funnel that instinct into something that doesn't actually hurt people, and that's what these games do and why they're so popular. Without them, some might need to funnel that instinct elsewhere, which may result in many unintended consequences.

Not to mention that these people don't play video games. They look from the outside and all they see is gun-fire and explosions. Had they actually sat down to play them, they'd find that gameplay is actually much more symbolic than they assume and the explosions are just aesthetic.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 19:16 Edited at: 12th Jan 2013 19:18
Political or not, I agree this relates to EVERYBODY on here, regardless on where you live in the world...

Do you have a news article to link to back up your post?

I think this is just stupid, they are fishing out the only weak link and attacking it...

Oh no... lets not blame the music industry, we already done that....... and oh no movies have AGE ratings so we cannot blame them....... [Nobody pays attention to the fact that Video games have age ratings do they?]

Oh well, lets see if this gets allowed to stay open... before we rant on...

But politically hitting... The US is built on rules from 200+ years ago... have they ever heard of political change? [Ok Ok... I know...]

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Quote: "Not to mention that these people don't play video games. They look from the outside and all they see is gun-fire and explosions. Had they actually sat down to play them, they'd find that gameplay is actually much more symbolic than they assume and the explosions are just aesthetic."


TOTALLY AGREE!

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 19:24
I actually had a debate with some older relatives (In their 60's) a few weeks back, and they were claiming that the younger generation is a lot more violent and that violent video games were unnecessary and dangerous. They then proceeded to tell stories of making bombs using old bullets, lighting corn fields on fire for fun, shooting arrows into the sky in a neighborhood to see where they would land, and throwing rocks at people's houses to break windows... They saw no contradictions with what they were saying Just a sample of the problems with the older generation, not saying there aren't any problems with the younger

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:02
Quote: "Do you have a news article to link to back up your post?"


Yeah, there's not much to discuss without a relevant source.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:03
there is no comparison between real world violence and computer game violence. people who have experienced real world violence can apply that real experience to computer games and so react to them the way they do, with negative association. people who spend a lot of time with game violence will generally freeze in a real situation because the safety is off and they are thrown in the deep end and quite simply, it is real and not a game.

game violence does not equal real violence. I can see how games can lead to a lax attitude toward death and mayhem as a concept. which will lead to an apparently desensitized attitude, however real situations shape character. and all the games in the world will not prepare you for reality. This in my mind negates a lot of anti game sentiments expressed in current times. people treat games as some form of training for the psyche. it is little more than a high Adrenalin version of checkers. kids may flap their gums, but they are still kids and they are not prepared for real violence. when I was young we shot animals with guns as a form of fun. we all knew that killing a human was an immoral act, yet we relished the trophy of a dead animal. if anything the actual act of killing something added weight to the act of pulling the trigger. in games you pull the trigger and your frag count goes up. many kids would be disgusted with the reality of witnessing an animal dying by their hand.

a lack of real world experience mixed with fictional values displayed in games could lead to some form of evil mindset. however, I say take them hunting and show them what it is to take a life, and illustrate the necessity of mercy and kindness in the act of killing, sick thoughts will tend to die along side their first real kill when they look at the animal struggling in vain to stay alive only to accept death at its given time. it is humbling coupled with a profound sense of responsibility for the animals mortality.

it is these thoughts that lead me to believe that violent video games are neither innocently healthy nor are the the killer trainers that people make them out to be.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:26 Edited at: 13th Jan 2013 03:24
This "gun control" is crap, America ain't what is used to be, that's for true.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:37
Quote: "This "gun control" is crap"


agreed

Quote: "America sucks, in my opinion."


thats a bit narrow minded of you isnt it?



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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:43 Edited at: 12th Jan 2013 20:54
Quote: " America sucks, in my opinion."


Uh, yeah; opinion or not, let's keep statements like this out of these boards shall we?

As far as the subject goes; it was VP Biden who met with unnamed game development execs. I assume it was more of a "feel good tour"; versus something of substance. There are millions of players of "violent" video games. Yet we don't see thousands of incidents, like we did at Sandy Hooks. The facts are (in that horrible incident) that Adam Lanza was home schooled; which usually means less interaction with peers (not condemning home schooling at all). His mother knew about his "issues", but chose to "handle" things herself; all the while actually teaching this demented kid to shoot "accurately". She didn't keep her weapons locked up where he couldn't get to them. This whole matter was a recipe for disaster to begin with, and she paid for it herself.

The video games he may have played, had little to nothing to do with it. It may have been equivalent to "music to kill by"; in other words, something to get him pumped up for the event. Again; if it was the video games that was causing these events....we'd have MANY more incidents such as this (and other) tragedy. I'm not saying we don't have a problem in this Country; but we need to actually have an honest conversation about it all, and not just go on "witch hunts".



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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:54 Edited at: 12th Jan 2013 20:55
It was on Fox news on TV, not sure were you get that source but its FOX. No offense to any Fox News Supporters but the owner of Fox is nuts. Anyway, yeah not sure were you get the source but its a crazy stupid law.

Quote: "This "gun control" is crap, America sucks, in my opinion."


One wonders why you have no friends lol jk
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:55
Quote: "keep statements like this out of these boards shall we?"

Uh yeah, agreed.

Violence has been in the entertainment industry since before the days of Shakespeare. Violence is no more prevalent in our society than it ever was.

Now, we just have more media outlets broadcasting it. So we are more aware of it. If the media would give equal time to positive news, we would all see that. There is so much good in the world to report but, no one wants to hear it. It's not good for ratings.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 20:58
I agree John, its stupid to think by silencing violence it will just go away. I belive we had thoughts like this during "The Dark Ages" when the churches ruled Europe. Not bring religion in to the argument for say but it is what it is ... history repeating its self.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 21:07
Quote: " Not bring religion in to the argument"

It's hard not to have discussions like this without it turning into a flame war but, in order to fairly discuss it with an open mind and not skip any pieces of the puzzle it is almost necessary.

Back on the initial topic at hand:
You would think the major media outlets and entertainment industry would be stepping in to defend violence in entertainment. Violence is their biggest bread winner, after all.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 21:30
Quote: "It was on Fox news on TV"


Oh. Credible.

Bombing it round a track in Grant Turismo while sipping beer doesn't make me a drink driver. Shooting hinge-heads on Halo has an equally distant separation from reality.

Despite claims at "ultra-realistic" games, they're very far from it. Most games are filled by bugs and tics that pull you out of the immersion, Call of Duty seems to be the one shivved the most by this group of anti-violence protestors, and my multiplayer experience of that is mostly watching deathcams from campers/quickscopez.

Anyone who claims that playing Gears of War or Mass Effect will somehow make me more likely to buy a Glock and cook some foo's is an idiot.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 21:50
Quote: "but its a crazy stupid law"


It was on Fox and now it's a law?

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 22:10
Violent crime in America has seen a decline. I'm not going to back that up with evidence here as it's incredibly easy to find. These mass shootings while terrible are not the norm and as Keith pointed out in his post Adam Lanza's mother unfortunately made an error in judgement by not having her guns properly secured. As someone who is not American and doesn't live in America I look from the outiside in and can see how gun control isn't going to stop things like this happening.

Also (and I hate this term) 'the youth' of today are more interested in playing video games than going out and buying and shooting real guns. You'd have to think in part (and I could be way off here) that it's in the gun manufacturers, and by association anyone involved in the creating and selling of guns, best interest to get that demographic away from video games and outside shooting those fancy new guns they just purchased... How do you do that? Take these terrible incidents and put the focus not on the guns but on the video games.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 23:13
Quote: "Take these terrible incidents and put the focus not on the guns but on the video games"

You have a good point there. That would be in best interest of the gun manufactures.

Quote: "gun control isn't going to stop things like this happening"

That is a point that for some reason, just doesn't sink in with most people. Criminals, criminally insane and just the out right "nut jobs" do not care rather guns are legal or illegal.

Illegal drugs are a really strong proven case in point here. Drug attics do not care that drugs are illegal. The insane amount of Meth-Attics and Crack-Heads here are proof of that.
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Posted: 12th Jan 2013 23:34
People shouldn't blame violent videogames when the real problem is the lack of gun control and mental health. Here in Sweden we have very strict gun laws and a good mentalcare system wich results in very few shootings. Compared to USA you could say we have none.

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Quote: "Compared to USA you could say we have none."

Population of Sweden: 9,551,781
Population of U.S: 312,780,968
Compared to USA you have no people.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 00:11 Edited at: 13th Jan 2013 00:13
[LMAO @ Xplosys]

Quote: "the lack of gun control"

Not in anyway meant to be an insult but, you have a much different culture than most parts of the world and I kind of envy that. In most parts of the world you can't be passive. Fundamental rights, "right to bare arms" being one of them, is something most Americans will stand and die for. It was this right that broke us from the Tyranny of England during our colonial days.

I agree that something has to be done, rather it be the mental health system or forcing parents to take responsibility for their peace of crap kids but, stripping fundamental rights is not an option.
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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 00:37
the shooting ratio is lower than that os US here in sweden - and that is taking amount of people into consideration


however, US also have alot more shooting/death than neighbouring countries with similiar gun shoot laws, which does beg the question of: is it really the gun laws that's the problem?


And no, I cannot provide a realible source for above "facts" - I saw it in a documentary about shootings, and gun laws a couple years back... so ill leave it up to each to trust me or not =P or if you can come up with facts that proves/counter prooves what I said, please do



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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 00:46 Edited at: 13th Jan 2013 00:47
Quote: " is it really the gun laws that's the problem?"

My stance, NO.

One of the many roots of the problem start with upbringing. In my case, I grew up watching rated R movies with my grandfather, that most "professionals" these days would say is the cause of violence. However, my grandfather took care of that with his own hands, literally. I suppose a good old fashion German \ Irish a** whoopin a couple times a week could be the answer.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 00:59
Here is the thing about "laws" do criminals follow them? No lol
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I gotta be honest, because "Tyranny of England" kinda dragged me into this. I don't think we'd want America now anyway.

I mean, Jesus. The debt you guys are in is extraordinary. I can't imagine how bad it'd be for us if we were tied to that any more tightly than we currently are.

We asked you to pay money for stamps, or something like that. That's why you have guns. Because of a two-hundred year old war started by stamp tax.
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The principle behind "Taxation Without Representation" had a little more to it than stamps. You are leaning over the line of trying to start a flame war being completely off of point.

I was merely using that as an example: Citizens have the right to bare arms to raise up against a government if needed. Would it have suited you better if I hadn't used my particular example? Don't take my statement personally as if you were alive then.
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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 02:05
Let's take it easy everyone. It's pretty hard to not take something as volatile as " Tyranny of England" personally if you're English. I know I had to bite my tongue

This topic is about videogames being used as a scapegoat whenever anything violent occurs.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 02:07
As far as I am aware it was because of Stamp Duty on Tea... hence the current day tea party... Although I always assumed that meant somebody was having an English Breakfast...



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One of the many roots of the problem start with upbringing. In my case, I grew up watching rated R movies with my grandfather, that most "professionals" these days would say is the cause of violence. However, my grandfather took care of that with his own hands, literally. I suppose a good old fashion German \ Irish a** whoopin a couple times a week could be the answer."


my stance on this - thats bullshoes. - as a matter of fact I despice that kind of upbringing of children - I have never once been hit or beaten by my parents on any degree - and I have never once hit my hild, and hopefully will never do so either. It is unnecessary and brings - as far as i'm concerned, fear - not respect, but fear - into a child.

As regards to games - My parents were gamers, if I wanted to play a game - usually they'd look it up or even try it beforehand. given, I was allowed to play CS and Half life at the age of 8-10, but at the age of 15 i was not allowed to touch doom 3 - or even manhunt.
So yes - I would like to see less "buying doom 3 for 7 year old because it might be wall-e" parenting.

However - no, I do not believe violent games are a cause for violence - FOR THE MOST PART.

Sure - if you are mentally sick - or are just generarily violent then, maybe. But a fully healthy person - I doubt.



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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 02:25
Quote: "As far as I am aware it was because of Stamp Duty on Tea."


Yes, that's what it was. A country revolted and war ensued; more than 25,000 Americans and 10,000 British died because, out of the blue, and with no other reason or provocation, there was a duty on tea. Imagine what will happen when they try to take our guns.

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Quote: ". It is unnecessary and brings - as far as i'm concerned, fear - not respect, but fear - into a child."


It's not like everyone beats their children into submission, a little smack on the bum when they've done something wrong is proven to work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning

Positive reinforcement gets you a bunch of spoilt brats.


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Perhapps we should have a global law that says unless you live in that country you can't insult its people about their country or insult the country its self. Just a thought lol
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Justn a rough guess... Libel Law? [More to the individual I suppose...]

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Quote: "Perhapps we should have a global law that says unless you live in that country you can't insult its people about their country or insult the country its self. Just a thought lol"

We have enough laws, but just as a common courtesy would be nice.

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Quote: " It's pretty hard to not take something as volatile as " Tyranny of England" personally if you're English."


Just the same as I had to bite my tongue with the flippant "America sucks" comment.

As far as the number or relevance of laws on the books go; it's not so much the law, but the enforcement of it that matters. There is precious little enforcement, and it greatly varies in different areas of the U.S.

The target of this thread is if playing violent video games contributes (or causes) to people committing horrible acts of violence....not gun control (which, as we've seen in the past numerous times, does not end well here).

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Quote: "It's not like everyone beats their children into submission, a little smack on the bum when they've done something wrong is proven to work."


is it necessary though?



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Okay, maybe I used the term "Tyranny" a little too loosely. Although it was in no way meant to be an insult, since it was taken as an insult, I do apologize.

That aside, I agree with Keith essentially. There are enough laws, just not enough enforcement.

On the matter of discipline of children, to each there own. Long as there is restraint and it is called for.
I do agree with taking things away from children though. If that punishment fits the "crime".

Quote: "This topic is about videogames being used as a scapegoat whenever anything violent occurs."

Understood but, in order to defend having violent entertainment it requires trying to figure out where the true roots of the problem is, am I right?

I suppose a more socially acceptable response to the OP would be: "Nope games aren't the problem."
Then again that wouldn't leave much of a discussion would it?
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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 05:20
Quote: "Just the same as I had to bite my tongue with the flippant "America sucks" comment.
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Not my comment.

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Can't we all just get along?
It is the year 2013 and I know the majority of us here lean more towards a completely united world. Like minded Tech minds are normally above bickering over international differences.

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Quote: "Not my comment."

Wasn't directed at you; just a general statement.

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Interesting, do they plan to do the same for films?

Quote: "is it necessary though?"


I think it can be, unfortunately. It depends on the child really.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 09:10 Edited at: 13th Jan 2013 11:07
Quote: "Understood but, in order to defend having violent entertainment it requires trying to figure out where the true roots of the problem is, am I right?"

Of course this forum where folks make games is not the best place to get an unbiased and calm view on this, in fact I suspect its the last place anyone is going to argue the opposite point, nor is it best place to find anyone qualified "to figure out where the true root of the problem is".
To get back to the original post, this is not law, nor is it likely to ever be law, its just the usual blustering you get when people look for a scapegoat to use when pushing for their own agenda, and that side of the playing field is just as biased and no more qualified "to figure out where the true root of the problem is" than around here.

Quote: "I suppose a more socially acceptable response to the OP would be: "Nope games aren't the problem."
Then again that wouldn't leave much of a discussion would it?"

Actually its just an opinion and the only response appropriate to the question.
My own opinion is that like all these kind of questions its pointless looking for answers since they merely stir up strong feelings in people who are unable to actually answer the question anyway so it drifts into the above or "Nope games aren't the problem."
I am not going to view this as an attack on liberty and free speech unless it look like its going to be put into the statutes....which its not...so why get heated about it at all?

Quote: "Political or not, I agree this relates to EVERYBODY on here, regardless on where you live in the world..."

What I find interesting is that every time America pushes for a change in their Law its assumed they have the power to push this Law globally.Strangely enough this wouldn't apply to Americans if Britain were doing something like this unilaterally, and this would not seem so huge at all, specially around here (go figure).
Neither America or Britain or any country for that matter has the right to dictate matters of Law to another country (don't confuse Trade agreements or Union with actual Law) Heck they cant even get uniform Law agreement from State to State never mind between countries.
If you reckon a country like Britain just lays down and accepts everything America says you are actually wrong, Even Scotland has different Law From England and they don't have the right to dictate it either.
Before anyone jumps on me please realise there are certain laws which are same overall but these tend to be the more serious ones, so here's a heads up....If America stopped access to its citizens on the subject of violent games tomorrow...the rest of the world could carry on regardless and nothing America could do about it other than trade embargo's plus/or a lot of Diplomatic grumping and stomping.

Back on topic I guess I should give my opinion on the original question:
"Nope games aren't the problem."
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Quote: "Here is the thing about "laws" do criminals follow them? No lol"


But the typical "shooter" is not a criminall. Often they're mentaly sick people who only needs help. If they can easily get a hold of a gun, they wuould use it to take out the anger. But if it was much more harder to get a gun, they maybe don't it.

Another thing that contributes to all this shooting is the american news. All the shooter wants is attention, and by talking about it 24/7 on the news they give him/her all the attention that he/she wants. The news should be about the victims and the pain they're going trough, and the identity of the shooter should not be known. By telling the people about his life story and how he made the deed, you essentialy encourage shootings, beacuse the shooter will be a superstar.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 14:08 Edited at: 13th Jan 2013 14:10
Ya know what debates gun control debates remin me of?

Religion
Abortion
General Politics

I know the point of this thread was to talk about cencorship in games but, as usual, it's someow derailed. Don't anybody take this the wrong way but:

We're responsible for our actions, mentally damaged or not. If I jump off a building coz I think I can fly, the pavement ain't gonna turn to soft foam and say "aww shame, ain't his fault".
"Guns don't kill, people kill" - Fact: some of the worst mass-atrocities were committed before guns existed.
Gun control is more an attempt by the authorities to create a situation where they wield more power over the masses. In other words, what they're tryna avoid is potentional civil wars and rebellions. Now you decide for yourselves if that's a good or bad thing.
Anybody from the blandest housewife to the most derranged killer to the most mentally unstable person can procure a gun illegally if not legally.
If I was mentally unstable and, for whatever insane twist or plot-device, could not procure a gun, I would simply use another weapon: Knives can kill a specific target, mixing the right chemicals can kill multiple targets.

What am I saying? At the risk of a slap, basic gun-control laws serve a purpose in reducing the number of guns in circulation. Stricter gun-control laws serve no purpose save making a politician look good to a target demographic.

Oh, and FYI, I'm not a huge fan of guns. I've had guns around me for a portion of my childhood and to a lesser-degree in my adulthood. When I was 18 I had one pointed at me with the intent to fire. I won't go into that story here, it's very personal and what happened before and after it something I'd rather forget. But I never went around saying let's ban guns.

Now that that's out the way, censorship of violence is games is pointless. If a game got censored in my country, I'd download it or smuggle it in anyway. Nobody tells me (or anybody else of adult age) what they are allowed to watch/read. My parents grew up under a regime where movies and books had to be "approved" by government before they were allowed in. I luckily escaped the most of it thanks to being born around 10 years before its collapse (only to be replaced by another regime maquerading as a democracy. But at least this one's fairly benign in comparison). Bottom line: censorship is an ugly beast.

Final note: I suspect this is a troll thread and I feel a threadlock coming. So far, this person has cited no evidence to substantiate their claims and is not a reliable source of info to begin with.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 14:10
Anybody remember the story behind the Soldier Of Fortune games?

So thinking this topic will just blow over... I think you should think again...

Discuss!

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 16:26
Again, and for the last time, this is NOT the place to discuss gun control; or who's Country is better than the other.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 17:00
KeithC, not related to my post is that? I was on about it being banned for being too violent... nothing to do with guns...

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Posted: 13th Jan 2013 17:03
Quote: "Perhapps we should have a global law that says unless you live in that country you can't insult its people about their country or insult the country its self. Just a thought lol"


Isn't that essentially covered by racism? Or at least, serious incidences of it.

Also, I think every country in Europe has stereotypes of nearly every other country, due to a couple of millenia of warfare and all. We don't hate each other, and it makes for interesting conversations. Even if you mock or joke about a difference, you're still sharing cultural ideas.

Quote: "If you reckon a country like Britain just lays down and accepts everything America says you are actually wrong, Even Scotland has different Law From England and they don't have the right to dictate it either."


Indeed. Scotland is even having a referendum soon to move to become an independent nation, so that's an interesting thing to keep an eye on. Especially for me since I'm born Scottish, but living in England.

Also, we have free healthcare, gay marriage and gun restrictions anyway, which as far as I've seen are the major laws liberal Americans are campaigning for. I'm not actually sure what laws you could put in place that we're not already living with.

That said, a heck of a lot of game companies are American, (speaking theoretically if this law to ban violent games came about.)

In doing so, a lot of game companies would close down, or elope to another country. Hey presto, millions if not billions of US dollars fly oversea the moment that law comes about. Game servers, digital distributors like Steam, the development teams themselves. America would lose significantly more than it would hope to gain, and trying that with movies would tear out a massive part of their economy.

No-one in Congress is dumb enough to do that. Besides, I personally feel that anyone who has the intent to kill, will kill. Knife or gun, but it's harder to kill in numbers with a knife. I don't know what influences them, or if its instinct or something wrong in their wiring, but it seems inevitable for some.

Interesting point from my experience, by the way. In horror movies, villains nearly always use melee weapons with an extreme penchant for knives. Yet heroes always use guns to kill them just after they rack up their Recommended Daily Allowance of amorous teenagers. It's interesting that guns are rigidly set in the hands of heroes like that, in fact it's an action movie staple.
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Its more less people pointing the finger at someone else and blaming them for little Johnny being a "bad boy". Where it is due to piss poor parenting and not video games.
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Quote: "Where it is due to piss poor parenting and not video games."


eeexactly



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Quote: "Interesting point from my experience, by the way. In horror movies, villains nearly always use melee weapons with an extreme penchant for knives. Yet heroes always use guns to kill them just after they rack up their Recommended Daily Allowance of amorous teenagers. It's interesting that guns are rigidly set in the hands of heroes like that, in fact it's an action movie staple. "


Face it, it would be quite a short movie if the badguy had a gun (that he could actually hit a target with). He'd merely shoot the group of four teens, killing the one-liner-slinging black guy, the manly a-hole jock, the cautious brunette who's usually the only survivor and the dumb blonde.
There'd be no part where you think the tough jock may just overpower the crazed killer as they struggle while frantic generic music loops.
Of course there'd also be no scenes where people narrowly escape the grasp of a masked villain and no big-breasted blonde running in slow-motional from the killer while in danger of giving herself two black eyes. Of course this is just the sort of trash horny young teens look for in shallow hollywood splatter movies. That an gratuitous violence.
Let's not forget the psychology elements too:
-A killer that uses a blade MUST be really darn good. I mean he clearly doesn't need a gun (Although perhaps he cannot afford a gun. Perhaps he became a mad killer because of socio-economic conditions when his real calling was to be a concert pianist).
-Blades are symbolically linked to the paranormal.
-A blade can further dissect the victim. Oooh scary! Nope, hollywood splatter.
-The victim can sustain more treatable injuries from the blade, ie: Whoops, killer just nicked him enough to bleed like a chicken but still be able to scale walls the minute the brunette bandages him up with the first aid kit that was conveniently lying around. I love that one. Oops, killer just missed. Darn it!

Summarised, it's showmanship.

Quote: " Its more less people pointing the finger at someone else and blaming them for little Johnny being a "bad boy". Where it is due to piss poor parenting and not video games."


Sometimes the kid's just a psychotic little bastard. I mean, at least by William Golding's standards, kids are sick little punks and when you stick them together in isolation, they'll off one another.

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