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AppGameKit Classic Chat / Couple of questions for 108 final

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nz0
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Posted: 15th Jan 2013 01:34
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I did try the last 108beta (impressed so far) and was wondering:

Is the 108 final going to:

1) have vsync() implemented?
2) media encyption?
3) improve drawing speed on android from 1076?
4) Any enhancements in the music and sound areas?

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Posted: 15th Jan 2013 02:22
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We need media encryption badly.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2013 17:09 Edited at: 15th Jan 2013 17:10
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Quote: "
1) have vsync() implemented?
2) media encyption?
3) improve drawing speed on android from 1076?
4) Any enhancements in the music and sound areas?
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1) Yes especially for computers. Mobile devices often limits FPS (to respect vsync i think) to a known value (60fps for nexus 10, 40fps for Galaxy S3 for example).
2) Media encryption is very important yes ... +1 on this.
3) -
4) Some sound pitch functions (engine sounds for example ... without that it's difficult to make a decent racing game) and optimizations about loading and playing sound/music could be welcome yes
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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 19:36 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 19:40
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Quote: " 40fps for Galaxy S3"

Is this with power saving on?

The S2 gets 60 (30 with power saving) and the S3 is supposed to be better

As to sound - pretty much all devices have some kind of internal sound, can't we use something like the old BEL function on PCs to use them.

it seems a waste to have to load a sample to do a beep, click or whatever to acknowledge a screen touch when the device is capable of doing it anyway.

and what about the buzz from haptic feedback on phones?
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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 00:11
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Yes especially for computers. Mobile devices often limits FPS
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Yes, I meant only for computers, not devices.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 02:34 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 02:39
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Quote: "The S2 gets 60 (30 with power saving) and the S3 is supposed to be better "


Marl, just checked and you're right 40fps with Power Saving ON and 60fps when OFF
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There's lots of things in 108 that I'm happy to get but there''s one item thats on my wishlist ..

I want them to implement a GetPaused() function similar to the GetResumed() function we have now.

Per my thread http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=201614&b=46

The reason is on Android the music for my games does NOT STOP PLAYING when the user sends the app to the background and I have no way to stop it.

It makes for a horrible crappy app and I can't ship an app which such a show stopper bug.

WildTangent is publishing me on PC and would gladly ship my android games but if I cant deliver a better quality product than that then I can't release on Android with AGK.

This is the only item blocking me from shipping titles on Android at this point!

*PRETTY PLEASE AppGameKit IMPLEMENT GetPaused()!

Thank you .. sorry for yelling .. I'm missing out on market share here


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Hello MikeMax,

Please could you go to this thread ?
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=202936&b=41&msg=2426373#m2426373

Sorry for the out of topic ..
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Posted: 10th Feb 2013 01:58
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I'll just bump this again so there's a chance my questions will be answered.

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Can AppGameKit confirm any of this?

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Posted: 12th Feb 2013 23:52
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Dosn't the sync(60, 1) enable some form of vSync?
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Posted: 13th Feb 2013 00:23
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Not properly on fullscreen

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Posted: 13th Feb 2013 02:41 Edited at: 13th Feb 2013 03:08
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VSync and SetSyncRate seems to be different.

for me in fullscreen at 1920x1080 :

- Only SetSyncRate(0,0) : 700fps and frame Refresh is clean
- Only SetSyncRate(60,1) : 60 FPS and Frame Refresh is jerking
- Only SetVSync(1) (yes this command exists :p) : limited to 60FPS and frame refresh is clean=> Edited : it's Jerky also at 60fps (???).
- SetSyncRate(60,1) and SetVSync(1) : it seems SetSyncRate invalidate the SetVSync : 60 FPS and Frame Refresh is jerking
- SetSyncRate(30,1) and SetVSync(1) : it seems SetSyncRate invalidate the SetVSync but SetVSync force 60FPS : Result is 60 FPS and Frame Refresh is also jerking

IT would be cool to have documentation on SetVSync and additional infos on SetSyncRate
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SetVsync(1) is fine. This will sync to monitor and is acceptable.

When you select vsync you abide by your card refresh to screen - no suprises there.

Glad to see it exists at least
Not sure why you would attempt to override vsync as this would be counter productive with any sync() call

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Posted: 13th Feb 2013 03:09 Edited at: 13th Feb 2013 03:10
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Correction : VSync doesn't work for me...

But it's strange ... on my PC 60fps is not clean and at 700 fps it's ok lol.
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@erebusman
about GetPause(),
my android device stop the playing music if i use the home button
and if the app resume it plays again.
what android os version you use?
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Posted: 13th Feb 2013 11:55
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The app should automatically pause if Home is pressed. What happens on Resume is up to the app.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2013 12:30
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@JimHawkins the problem from erebusman was the musik don't stop playing.
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MikeMax, does it work better if you leave the second parameter for SetSyncRate to zero (the default)?

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Posted: 14th Feb 2013 18:48 Edited at: 14th Feb 2013 18:49
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SetSyncRate and SetVSync are mutually exclusive, they will overwrite the settings of the other. The following applies to 108 and beyond.

Using SetSyncRate with a value of a value other than 60 will turn VSync off and use your chosen value, using a value of 60 will turn VSync on as it should be a smoother method of achieving 60 fps.

Using SetVSync with a value of 1 will let the system handle the frame rate (usually 60fps) and set a manual sync rate of 70 as a backup, just in case the system does not support VSync.

Quote: "2) media encyption?"

Media encryption would be a nice feature, not in the near future but at some point.

Quote: "3) improve drawing speed on android from 1076?"

I can't think of anything specific that would have improved pure 2D drawing since 1076, only that it decreased performance in early 108 betas and has since returned to 1076 levels.

Quote: "4) Any enhancements in the music and sound areas?"

Nothing planned
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