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Blobby 101
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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 02:28
Come on, Mr Handy, this isn't the place for politics or conspiracy theories. Don't get this thread locked.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 02:38
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You have gone too far.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 05:28 Edited at: 19th Apr 2013 05:30
guys they already found two suspects. when i find that video i'll post it up.

edit: here you go.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/national_world&id=9069872
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Quote: "Augh, I wish it could be like in CSI, when they can zoom in dang near infinitely and somehow recreate the detail, so that we could make out those faces better. Surely they could do a better job than that? "


no it quite simply does not work like that ^^



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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 09:32
I look forward to who will take the responsibility.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 09:36
You're not trying to say they'll be innocent, are you? Because they certainly won't be. This was not the government's doing.

In fact, with all of the photographic evidence they have so far, it'd honestly be stupid to say it was the government.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 10:05
I've been listening to a live police feed all night. Major gunfight started at MIT, one officer dead. One suspect in custody, injured, reportedly died in hospital. Currently the other suspect is fleeing on foot. There were pipe bombs and other explosives as well, suspect reportedly has an assault rifle and others.
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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 11:25
Quote: "Quote: "Augh, I wish it could be like in CSI, when they can zoom in dang near infinitely and somehow recreate the detail, so that we could make out those faces better. Surely they could do a better job than that? "

no it quite simply does not work like that ^^"



There is some technology that offers image enhancement, but it's not anything like CSI, but it is sometimes used because it can help make some details clearer, usually lettering, particularly on things like number plates. Of course, with things like CSI, they're revealing data that simply does not exist.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 12:02
Quote: "that simply does not exist"

No, I saw it in the Bladerunner movie!!

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 15:18 Edited at: 19th Apr 2013 15:25


I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are just missing.
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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 15:41 Edited at: 19th Apr 2013 16:00


On topic:

According to msn.com, the two suspects are brothers, age 19 & 26. One is dead after a shoot out, the other is on the run.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 17:42 Edited at: 19th Apr 2013 17:48
yeah, back on topic,(I never meant any lightening of the topic, i just couldn't resist enhancing this thread)

It was a shocking and despicable act and I personally refuse to allow their act to influence any aspect of this discussion through me and my opinions. My deepest condolences to the families of the dead, deepest condolences to the injured and traumatized. condolences to the public psyche which has been scarred by this event. I stand for peace and understanding. This crime can only be described as hate and prejudice. shame on them. We all need put a little extra effort into being good now. Every extra good deed and action counts as a counter weight against evil and sickness.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 20:45
@Josh, I love that movie.

Well I am glad they've manage to find suspects at least. Given their reaction, it's not looking good for them when trying to plead their innocents. I hope they catch the other guy before he does something else stupid.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2013 21:21
You can enhance to a certain degree but you just can't add detail that doesn't exist. So if you're pulling the reflection out from someone's eye I'd say that was a seriously high res image to begin with. Still, funny videos

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:26 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 00:48
Quote: "I've been listening to a live police feed all night. Major gunfight started at MIT, one officer dead. One suspect in custody, injured, reportedly died in hospital. Currently the other suspect is fleeing on foot. There were pipe bombs and other explosives as well, suspect reportedly has an assault rifle and others. "


is it me or did all these shootings and gunfights become a lot more common in the past 2 years? or was it always that way and it was just reported on less in the news?

Also concerning the bombing of Boston marathon, i listened to what alex jones has to say (i know he is a crazy conspiracy nut but he is fun to listen to and makes genuinely good points) Anyway lately he was talking a lot about the members of some private military force spotted in the crowd. For those who listen to Alex Jones know what i mean. My first reaction was that this is ridiculous. Lots of people like wearing military stuff including me and if i bought a black military backpack (for work) this weekend i would look just like these guys. but then again, it is suspicions that there are like 3-4 of them (at least in the pictures) and all of them look almost identical- black jackets, black military looking backpacks, military pants and boots. (there is a pic of 2 standing together both dressed this way) Then i thought, sure that would look pretty sketchy but if there was some military guys there who apprentice were trying to blend in with the crowd, wouldn't it be better for them to wear more civilian-like clothes? Its like some part of me declines any stupid conspiracy stuff, and the other part accepts the possibility of a staged terror attack considering that staged terror attacks are nothing new and have been used by governments and powers for decades to push their agenda, and considering whats going on in America these days with firearms controversy and the troubled economy, a bit of domestic terrorism would give enough reason for certain people in/close to the government to take action and have something to gain from it. So while Alex Jone's arguments are ridiculous, the overall point his arguments round up to, is, its not too far-fetched. And then the third part of me is getting extremely confused when i think about this and come to realization that if it is an operation directed by someone or some people in power, why are they being so sloppy at what they do. Like i watched a bunch of documentaries on this stuff and all the evidence that proved the conspiracy could have easily been hidden or avoided and judging by the amount of convincing evidence, these apparently covert operations were done incredibly sloppy which bring me to my next question. Were they done so on purpose?

[EDIT] ok i just got back from work and apperentley things on this story have been developing quite rapidly... so whats going on so far? I read about some Russian-Chechneyan Obama supporter dude having a shootout with the police at MIT after he tries to bomb MIT and somehow escapes again and they now have him surrounded in his house?

someone fill me in!

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:36 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 00:52
I willI think 11 09 is not related to this thread so i replace my post: all this terrorist stuff has "conspiracy theories" not just because.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:43 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 00:55
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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:48
Well, you may not agree but you can't disproof either. It's a theory.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:56
Ah. I shouldn't get into this here, but there are so many reasons to believe it was the planes, not bombs.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 00:59
Sensible people should now stop responding to Handy.

As a UKer I can't help but feel distant from this tragedy because of it happening so far away, but it's the London Marathon on Sunday and I am afraid that there may be a copycat, or a co-terrorist, or whatever. Either way it's completely crazy.

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Quote: "is it me or did all these shootings and gunfights become a lot more common in the past 2 years? or was it always that way and it was just reported on less in the news?"


The following is my opinion -
I think the unfortunate trend is that the media is increasingly putting a huge amount of attention on tragedies like this, particularly the details of the people that are involved. It can actually be dangerous, in that exposure like this can motivate potentially unstable people to do something harmful. I think of it this way. If someone crazy already has the mindset to kill themselves or other people, and they see all the attention the media is placing shooters or other criminals, won't this just motivate them further? I think it's a delicate situation because the media is responsible for informing everyone what's going on - but at the same time they need to portray these tragedies in a way that won't inspire future conspirators. I forget who said this, but I read a quote somewhere that was relevant. The guy said something to the lines of, assassinations, shootings, terrorist attacks - we always remember the names of the people who committed these crimes. That's a problem because all that does is provided positive attention to those people. We shouldn't be remembering the names and stories of the people who do these things, because that motivates others to follow that path. The media is somewhat responsible for this. As much as people want to know the stories of the killers, we shouldn't be doing that on national TV. That's only providing more attention and recognition, and that's a problem. that's likely a huge motivating factor for potential mass killers, especially in America.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 01:45 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 01:46
@ the nerd You have a good point there BTW. I am reading up stuff on what happened today so far and other than realizing that the media is manipulating the story trowing out false rumors and the whole story from the start makes less and less sense to me. But the media is doing a fine job of making this sound like a plot of some awesome action film! a 19 year old suspect who has been avoiding the police all day and surviving a shootout causing the entire town to go under complete lock-down. Dosent this sound like a plot of some movie?

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@thenerd - The UK press is exactly the same, the TV news is the worst, they make it seem like an action movie and the serial killer is the star.

@INH - I think copycats are much more likely these days, with the speed that information travels around the world. The media runs through trends and right now every news outlet in America and Europe will be looking for more "terrorism" stories to feed the public, they'll pick anything that is remotely connected and blow it out of proportion. The media storm this creates will no doubt inspire other terrorists, they will feel like it's the perfect time to act. Look at what happened with the London Riots, within a few days anarchy had spread all over the country. (Same effect with the Arab spring.)
We need the police and FBI to catch those responsible quickly before people start to think they can get away with this stuff.


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So, what does everyone think the motive was? I'm personally going with religious ideology.

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The kid is only 19 years old, yikes. What were you thinking? How could you think this was a good idea? What drove this kid to do this? It's really sad that he is so young. What the hell happens to people to make them do these kind of things? I really don't like the way that society calls people monsters and dusts their hands of them without ever questioning why, without wondering what caused this to happen. The average person just wants to distance themselves from it and pretend they live in a perfect world and that killers and criminals are just "crazy". Sometimes they are but the prisons are heaving and you can't claim that every single one of those inmates is a singularity.

Dzhokar is not a monster, he is a 19 year old kid. That does not diminish what he did (if it was indeed him) but we can't disown him because he did something atrocious. We have to take responsibility for people like that or our problems will never be resolved.

This is the exact kind of thing INH was talking about: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/19/who-boston-bombing-supsect-dzhokar-tsarnaev-19-profile they could just as well be talking about Justin Bieber. If he wanted attention he's got it, well played news networks you've done it again.


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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 02:52 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 02:56
Quote: "I think copycats are much more likely these days, with the speed that information travels around the world. The media runs through trends and right now every news outlet in America and Europe will be looking for more "terrorism" stories to feed the public, they'll pick anything that is remotely connected and blow it out of proportion. The media storm this creates will no doubt inspire other terrorists, they will feel like it's the perfect time to act. Look at what happened with the London Riots, within a few days anarchy had spread all over the country. (Same effect with the Arab spring.)
We need the police and FBI to catch those responsible quickly before people start to think they can get away with this stuff.
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Yeah, I get where you're coming from. Without wanting to ramble because I know it gets boring, this is exactly why I despise the 'old media' - TV, newspapers etc. Because they need money to function and they need to sell for money, of course they're going to fantasise any story they can in order to make it more interesting, as it will generate more sales. The twitters and facebooks about thinking of the victims rather than the culprits, and internet bloggers trying to find out the truth of the matter - they may seem amateurish or sickly sweet, but the gold in the rough makes it worth it, and the fact they are motivated by a sense of moral obligation to the truth as opposed to money makes them a million times better in my eyes.

tl;dr Newspapers should stick to celeb gossip.

Edit: I don't want to get too political, but anyone interested in the power of the new media should look up a young blogger called Malala Yousafzai writing from Pakistan about the Taliban activity in her hometown.

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Suspect #2 has been arrested and taken into custody, alive.
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I can't believe they caught him! What a week. I really don't want to live on this planet anymore.

In reference to my post about image enhancing...
Quote: "no it quite simply does not work like that ^^"


I know it's impossible, I was just saying I wish we COULD have that ridiculous technology, because then crime solving would be SO much easier. You can't create detail where detail doesn't exist.

"Resolution isn't very good..." "Oh, yes it is", are you freakin' KIDDING me Gary Sinise!?

Anyway, glad they caught the guy. Redditors and witnesses played a HUGE part in this - people on Reddit literally sifted through thousands of photos to hopefully obtain clearer pictures of the suspects and it worked. That right there helps me regain some faith in humanity.

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Quote: "I know it's impossible, I was just saying I wish we COULD have that ridiculous technology, because then crime solving would be SO much easier. You can't create detail where detail doesn't exist. "


Might as well as for Psychic Police who know who's committing the crime before they even do it.

Quote: "The kid is only 19 years old, yikes. What were you thinking? How could you think this was a good idea? What drove this kid to do this? It's really sad that he is so young."


Same thing that has child soldiers in Somalia who can handle AKs as well as most of their elders. Some kids are brought up in bubbles created by some pretty sick parents, and their moralities and goals suffer as a result.

Ever noticed how law enforcement is always entirely reactionary? It sucks, because they can't ever do anything until the suspect makes a move.
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As far as the military style clothing worn in the crowd.....you do know that there was a mix of a few units (National Guard/Reserve) there, actually competing. They wore their packs on their backs the whole way, and there were probably support teams throughout the circuit, dressed similarly. Some people want to read too much into things.

Quote: "Dzhokar is not a monster, he is a 19 year old kid."


We don't honestly know to the full extent his involvement; but if he had any hand in it, then yes....he is a monster. Age is irrelevant. He and his brother weren't our problem or "responsibility" until they moved to the U.S. from a war-torn country. I also think Benjamin is right (for once )....I think it does have roots in religious ideology.

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I have to admit that this was the most interesting event i have followed in a while. Probably because of all the speculation that turned out to be false, But its not over yet, Now we know that the FBI has been following the older brother for years and he was questioned in 2011 at a request of intelligence services of a foreign government. And the story still dosent make any sense.

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Quote: "We don't honestly know to the full extent his involvement; but if he had any hand in it, then yes....he is a monster. Age is irrelevant."


I think age becomes especially irrelevant when you're well into adulthood. Surely a person should know right from wrong by the time they turn 19, and should be held fully accountable for their own decisions and actions.
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Quote: "Might as well as for Psychic Police who know who's committing the crime before they even do it."

They already have this in the US apparently.

Quote: "Ever noticed how law enforcement is always entirely reactionary? It sucks, because they can't ever do anything until the suspect makes a move."

Not strictly true. You could obtain a warrant to search someone's house if you had a recording of them talking about making bombs or making drugs. You don't always have to catch them in the act.


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Quote: "It won't make any sense until more of it is put together down the road."


And I agree with KeithC (for once ).
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info was just released that Tamerlan was interviewed by FBI in 2011 at the request of Russian intelligence for the suspition of connections with Chechneyan terrorist networks. Its been stated before that Tamerlan was a supporter of Chechnyan separatist movement. Still makes no sense as to why he would organize terrorist attacks in America- a country which government supported his idea of free Chechneya and funded the separatists in the 90s.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2013 21:45 Edited at: 20th Apr 2013 21:54
Quote: "We don't honestly know to the full extent his involvement; but if he had any hand in it, then yes....he is a monster. Age is irrelevant. He and his brother weren't our problem or "responsibility" until they moved to the U.S. from a war-torn country. I also think Benjamin is right (for once )."

No he is not a monster, that is sweeping the issue under the carpet suggesting that he is somehow innately different to avoid confronting the fact that ANY human being is capable of such atrocities. Age is highly relevant, particularly if this attack was inspired by ideology; 19 is around the age most people start to form their political views, this is a dangerous time to be exposed to radical ideologies because they don't have the experience to analyse a cleverly worded position and see the flaws in it, they are easily swept up in passionate language.

We must accept some responsibility for the actions of members of our society, we cannot pretend that there are no societal influences that are responsible for, or at least contribute to, undesirable behaviour.
I also mean "responsible" in an emotional sense too. When you hear about a horrid crime like this is there not a part of you that feels somewhat guilty or ashamed? If we try to disassociate ourselves from terrorists and criminals then we actually excuse their behaviour, we create bigoted stereotypes where every Muslim is presumed a terrorist and every dark-skinned person a thief, and those traits are accepted as "in their nature". We are all equal human beings and that is what makes this attack so shocking, it was not the act of a monster that was acting on instinct, it was the act of a 19-year-old boy, no different to your neighbour or brother. That's what makes it sickening.

Quote: "...I think it does have roots in religious ideology."

Just think about what made you say that. The suspects have different religious beliefs than you, so immediately you presume religion to be the cause? If they had the same religion as you would you jump to the same conclusion?


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Quote: " If we try to disassociate ourselves from terrorists and criminals then we actually excuse their behaviour"


Totally lost me on that one.
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Quote: "Quote: " If we try to disassociate ourselves from terrorists and criminals then we actually excuse their behaviour"

Totally lost me on that one."

It is natural to dehumanize murderers, people don't want to believe that a normal human being could be capable of such a crime. In this mindset, for someone to commit murder they must either be possessed by a demon or inherently evil/insane. In doing so the murderer is now viewed more like an animal, without morality, and so they are no longer responsible for their actions. They have been excused of their crimes because people do not want to accept that they themselves are capable of such things.

I wish I had the vocabulary to explain that better.


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I think I see what you mean. If we try to dehumanize (is that a word?) terrorists and criminals then we actually excuse their behaviour.

I absolutely disassociate myself with criminals (not so much with prostitutes) but absolutely with terrorists.
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Quote: " that is sweeping the issue under the carpet suggesting that he is somehow innately different to avoid confronting the fact that ANY human being is capable of such atrocities."

very true.

I know this guy who possesses pretty much all necessary skills and knowledge as well as personal world view to successfully commit a terrorist acts with. He even told me how. yet he would never cross that line.
Except for maybe if he had an opportunity to drive a truck of explosives into a crowd of politicians without hurting any innocent lives.

but its always the person you LEAST expect isnt it?

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Quote: "It is natural to dehumanize murderers, people don't want to believe that a normal human being could be capable of such a crime. In this mindset, for someone to commit murder they must either be possessed by a demon or inherently evil/insane. In doing so the murderer is now viewed more like an animal, without morality, and so they are no longer responsible for their actions. They have been excused of their crimes because people do not want to accept that they themselves are capable of such things."



I do not agree to be honest - I do not see a murderer as a lesser individual necessarily - I do not think he is a worse human being than me - but he has no respect from me.. Now - just like you I am finding difficulty to word myself here - but let's just say that I find every human life EQUALLY as valuable, no matter what you do in life.

Life is - to me, holy, no matter the actions.



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I understand Obese's point and agree with it. It's like if you were to use a laptop, and it broke down and wipes your hard drive full of work documents.

You could accept that there are many factors that may have contribute, knocks and bumps that damaged the normal operation. There may have been signs you ignored that showed it was distressed, or maybe waved them away thinking, "it'll be fine."

You could accept that, or you could throw it out and opt never to buy that brand again because all of them must just be made that way.

I personally find one of those views to be ignorant. Sure, we'll never cure crime or reach such a perfect utopia, but we can at least try to understand where murderers go off the rails, if only to hem in those who might follow them.
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Just to add a bit, no one look up what Glenn Beck is saying...

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@CoffeeGrunt
Probably one of the best analogies for this type of stuff I've ever heard. Nice job, good sir.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2013 00:11 Edited at: 21st Apr 2013 03:20
Quote: "It is natural to dehumanize murderers, people don't want to believe that a normal human being could be capable of such a crime. In this mindset, for someone to commit murder they must either be possessed by a demon or inherently evil/insane. In doing so the murderer is now viewed more like an animal, without morality, and so they are no longer responsible for their actions. They have been excused of their crimes because people do not want to accept that they themselves are capable of such things."

TBH you still lost me here, in what way should we regard the acts committed by others? I don't think your correct in believing that condemning such people in any way allows them to excuse themselves, you will never hear a terrorist saying he was insane when he did it, quite the opposite.
Murder can be a heat of the moment thing but in this case its obviously premeditated. I dont think dehumanising such a person is in any way excusing them for what they did or even giving them a way out of it.
I dont in any way accept I am capable of such acts and fail to see how else I could express my opinion of those that do.
Quote: "In doing so the murderer is now viewed more like an animal"

As we all know this is an unfair comparison on animals, but we have to call them something, monster whatever, and its not because we need to distance ourselves from our own shortcomings or morals, its because we find it hard to believe, as you say yourself, that normal human beings could commit these acts, so why think its deeper than that?

Perhaps, you are actually vocalising the public guilt that follows these kind of events. In that we feel deep down responsibility for our leaders acts, which we may or may not agree with but which we feel may have created this situation where innocent men,women and children are killed and injured, maybe they did but they didn't create the monsters. They are always among us and always will be wherever your from and maybe thats also what your trying to express. Once this kind of terrorism starts its very difficult to stop.
In the UK they are more used to this kind of event in recent history 30+ years of it. Look a little closer at that and you might find some things that will disturb your 'psyche' even more, given whats just happened.

At some level we feel 'responsibility' for a society which we believe created these monsters, but calling them names really isn't the problem here and I don't think it will create more of them. We shouldn't blame ourselves for these actions. Those who deliberately target innocents, even in war, are not real soldiers as they would portray themselves, they are cowards. Some people, simply put, commit murder on a scale like this and kill innocent people because they are cold heartless cretins with too low an intelligence, or at the very least a warped mentality, to understand what they do.

Deliberately killing and injuring innocents, whatever the circumstances, is the most immoral act you could possibly commit as a human being.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2013 04:34
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Thanks for your response. I'd like to give a better reply than I have time for right now so I'll be back later.


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Posted: 22nd Apr 2013 04:22
I hope the bombers aren't gamers. Because as usual of what the news would do if the terrorists are gamers.

"Violent video games are the cause of this madness!"

I hope that that the Americans who see this are sensible for not putting the blame on the government, video games, guns, and Arabs. They need to put the blame on the mind these terrorists have. To look closer at their causes.

To me it is offensive for not looking at the perpetrator but instead the involuntary unlikely causes.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2013 04:59 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2013 05:02
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Quote: "I dont in any way accept I am capable of such acts and fail to see how else I could express my opinion of those that do."

How can we know what we are capable of? We are the product of our experience. It could be that a terrorist would have been completely passive if it weren't for one influence in their lives, maybe it was a very rare event that turned an otherwise respectable person into a killer. What's to say that if you led this person's life you too would plant that bomb? Maybe there is something innate in you that would refuse. Maybe in this other life you would not have been exposed to morality in the same way and would not have formed the same principles that you have in this life. I don't know, it is impossible to tell what causes these things.

That's part of why I try not to judge people even if they've done something as bad as this. Since I don't know any better I have to assume that it was their experiences that shaped them and not something that was inevitable from birth -- we certainly see a majority of terrorists and criminals coming from troubled backgrounds. Maybe this is why I feel a touch of guilt and empathy for these people, I believe that their actions are the result of circumstance, and it's quite possible that I had some minor role in creating those circumstances or that I might benefit from them whereas they were harmed by them.

The other reason I try not to judge is because I don't think it helps anyone. As I said before, labelling someone as an outsider (terrorist, criminal, crazy, etc.) excuses societies failings and possible contributions to criminal behaviour. It also makes it extremely difficult for the labelled person to reform, shed their label and return to society; labels reinforce behaviour, both of the labelled and attitudes towards the labelled. That's not to say that society is to blame for everything and we should release everyone from prison today, but I get the impression that a lot of people are more concerned with seeing someone get punished, and "justice be served" rather than take action that will actually benefit society. Of course we need to lock up murderers but this doesn't actually achieve anything.

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Quote: "I hope the bombers aren't gamers. Because as usual of what the news would do if the terrorists are gamers."

Apparently he was a gamer (who the hell isn't these days?), he played horrendous games like FIFA! EA Sports are supporting terrorism!


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