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The Stryker Force
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Hey guys, I've recently been stressing out a little over the quality of my Battlefield 3 Uploads, so I did a test run with some brand new software to see how it went, and I want to ask you guys to see what you think of it?

By quality, I'm mainly talking about the screen quality (pixelation, graphics, resolution, etc..)

is it good enough? or do I need to do further editing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BswHOkiEzcU

Gosh, I'm so OCD about this for some reason.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 11:25 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 11:47
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For some reason your video at 720p don't want to download. I suspect that youtube prefer to stream video with much more views. On those frames I had, your video seems to have not enough quality, as it was taken from pixel perfect full hd. 720p is enough, but you need to change your codec or settings, picture is soapy.

p.s. on your channel because of your avatar top banner looks like "HE STRYKER FORCE"

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Quote: "For some reason your video at 720p don't want to download. I suspect that youtube prefer to stream video with much more views. On those frames I had, your video seems to have not enough quality, as it was taken from pixel perfect full hd. 720p is enough, but you need to change your codec or settings, picture is soapy.

p.s. on your channel because of your avatar top banner looks like "HE STRYKER FORCE""


How do you reckon I can prevent the grainy, soapy effect?
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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 13:39
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I dont mind 720p, but i know there's a lot of people who whine as soon as it isnt 1080p :/



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Quote: "I dont mind 720p, but i know there's a lot of people who whine as soon as it isnt 1080p :/
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I'm trying to avoid uploading in 1080p, simply because there's no point, considering the fact that most people can't view 1080p without experiencing intense lag or buffering from time to time.

However, I'm worried about the quality altogether. Handy said that the picture quality appears to be quite choppy and soapy, and I'm wondering if I made the right choice editing these sorts of videos in this way.

FYI, I use an Elgato HD Game Capture to record my videos, and since PS3 has write protection, the max I can go to is 720p (or 1080i) in recording. I use Final Cut Pro X to edit, but my older videos used Final Cut Express.

What is the best course of action from here guys?
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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 16:46 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 16:50
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Quote: "I'm trying to avoid uploading in 1080p, simply because there's no point"

Very true for many reasons.

Quote: "How do you reckon I can prevent the grainy, soapy effect?"

I hope this link will help you
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1722171&rd=1
As encoding software I'd recommend to use Free Studio (it supports mp4 and have youtube tools)

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 16:58
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well, every person in sweden can view them in 1080p without any problems



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Quote: "well, every person in sweden can view them in 1080p without any problems"


I think that comes down to sheer number of users.


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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 17:53 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 17:53
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But why then all videos with 100K+ views never have problems, and some with <1K views (or small channel) have?

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I'm specifically talking about Sweden, on my internet connection I can 't stream a 1080p video smoothly regardless of number of views.


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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 18:31 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 20:32
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I never have problems with 1080p. It still looks terrible though... the compression Of course 1440p looks the best on my monitor, as that fits its native resolution (on youtube it's usually labeled 'original'), but as for the scaling I use virtual dub to edit videos. It does a nice job

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Most of the time I have problems with 720p.

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So I tried testing out another upload, this time using Final Cut Express. Here's the link.

Do you guys think it's better? or does it need changing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1g7FMbSK8
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 11:16
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I suspect that your gameplay source file wasn't good quality.

I suspect you have not read that help article.

Make Constant Frame rate : 23.976 fps

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Quote: "I suspect that your gameplay source file wasn't good quality."


Actually, it was very good in quality. Crystal clear as a matter of fact, which is why I'm baffled at this instance when it is occurring. Otherwise, I would have known straight away and not requested for help.

Quote: "I suspect you have not read that help article."

I did, but I didn't really understand what you were trying to get at... sorry.

Quote: "Make Constant Frame rate : 23.976 fps"

Alright, I'll try that out. I'm going to ask a n00b question here, but does the framerate affect the quality of your video?
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 13:40 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 13:41
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Framerate does not affect the 'quality' in the sense of blurriness etc, just the smoothness of motion. I wouldn't change the framerate of the original file, I assume it's at 30fps when it comes from the capture card, so leave it as that. You need to change your encode settings in Final cut.

The image I've attached shows Final cut X. Go to 'Share', 'Movie' and then this will appear. Use the H.264 codec on the drop down box and check under the next tab that the settings correspond to 720/30p or whatever resolution and framerate the original was at (the resolution should be 1280x720 rather than what mine were). Exporting under these settings should produce a clear image suitable for YouTube. Have you done all of that already?

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 15:40 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 15:46
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Quote: "but does the framerate affect the quality of your video?"

For youtube only it does.

Quote: "I did, but I didn't really understand"

Set all encoder settings to those in article as recommended there, like bitrate and framerate. File format should be mp4. As example, you may look Psy's Gentleman video, it's 720p version looks very much good.

P.S. I've downloaded Gentleman, it's settings just as yours except framerate. Some people advice to set 30 fps. Bitrate should be 8000 IMO.

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I hope this is useful.

When I upload to www.youtube.com/dcforemanuk I encode my videos using the following options.

Apple MOV container
Quality: Best
Frame Rate: 30
Bitrate: 5000 kbits/sec
Encoding mode: multi-pass

Audio: MPEG 4 Low Complexity ACC
Sample rate: 44.1 kHz
Sample Size: 16
Channels: 2

Prepare for Internet Streaming: Fast start

Over the least 5 years I've tried different formats, but this is the best one I've found so far.
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 16:59
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I was able to play the video at 720.

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Quote: "Apple MOV container"

I suppose it's the Mac software? If true, what's Win alternative?

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Quote: "I suppose it's the Mac software? If true, what's Win alternative?"


MOV isn't exclusive Mac software, it's a format available on most platforms, it's the same on Windows. If that's what you meant.

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Quote: "Framerate does not affect the 'quality' in the sense of blurriness etc, just the smoothness of motion. I wouldn't change the framerate of the original file, I assume it's at 30fps when it comes from the capture card, so leave it as that. You need to change your encode settings in Final cut. "


Actually no, the framerate is 59.97 frames per second, and in my previous videos, I left the framerate as it is.

Quote: "P.S. I've downloaded Gentleman, it's settings just as yours except framerate. Some people advice to set 30 fps. Bitrate should be 8000 IMO."


I need to try that out actually. But I also have a much higher bitrate as well (around 15,000) for my videos.
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Quote: "I left the framerate as it is."

That's may be the problem. Should be 30 or, as in Gentleman, 23.976 fps.

Quote: "a much higher bitrate as well (around 15,000)"

That's may be the problem too. Should be 5000 to 8000, variable.

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OK guys, can you check this out and see if the quality has improved?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_D-mChpPTU
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Posted: 8th Jun 2013 09:25 Edited at: 8th Jun 2013 09:33
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This is definetly not good quality.



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What?
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Alright, I think I have solved the problem.

It turns out the issue wasn't the framerate, but the excessive bitrate that I was recording the video in. Although the quality isn't in AMAZING 1080p melt your eyes out orgasm, it still remains consistent and the soapy-effect doesn't screw up horribly.

All I had to do was leave everything on default settings. Turns out that the best solutions are always the simplest.

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Alright, I think I have solved the problem.

It turns out the issue wasn't the framerate, but the excessive bitrate that I was recording the video in. Although the quality isn't in AMAZING 1080p melt your eyes out orgasm, it still remains consistent and the soapy-effect is GONE.

All I had to do was leave everything on default settings. Turns out that the best solutions are always the simplest.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2013 09:47 Edited at: 8th Jun 2013 09:47
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Here is 720 with good quality. Fonts are always sharp no matter what.



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Do you know how the guy got it to be like that?
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Can you post two pictures:
1) source
2) output from editor

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Before I send the pictures over, can you just check one last link to see if the quality has improved or not?

In this instance, I turned up the bitrate and quality and everything to max, but I didn't preserve the source format (so it's recording in 29.97 Frames per second)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aze6_OQ5QOM

Hey Handy, by the way thanks for helping me out. I really appreciate it, and I can understand the time is takes out of your day to provide assistance. You're getting an honorable mention.
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That was a good one! Well done!

I had a great idea. I suppose you recored your gameplay at 60-75 fps? And youtube cuts it in half. So here you can do: you need to blend adjacent frames! I am sure that there is motion blur or other converters for that in your software. So you will get smooth animation with 29 fps!

Quote: "Hey Handy, by the way thanks for helping me out."

You're welcome.

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But look at it now. All of a sudden it changed, and the fuzzingness is back again.

I'll try out your recording idea though. Sounds like a good plan!
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Atm, I've realized that the problem may be youtube's compression.

I'm about to throw in the towel and give up. There's no use
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Ask this guy, his 720p video is pretty new so he may answer you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvdJxwc-6ac

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Hey Handy, how's this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-RyiPwE-kI
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Very odd compression - fonts are sharpened too much and have noise artifacts, while the game (in motion especially) looks like cell phone 3GP quality. It's way worse than before. Also you already did a good one once.

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In that test, I restricted the bitrate to 5000 kbps, but then it looked horrible on YouTube, so I attempted to compensate for the macroblocking by using sharpen filters (worst idea ever! )

If you look at my older videos, they have much clearer quality, but I don't know why it was so much better back then than now
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Have you asked that guy I mentioned earlier?

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