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SpyDaniel
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If you do use xray, you should have done it more stealthy, as in mine as normal but make your way to the diamonds, but that's still cheating and just spoils the fun.
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Softscale
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Oh, I'm kind of new to this but I'll play too.

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Quote: "Try looking into "optifine", its a modification aimed at increasing visuals whilst at the same time increasing FPS. I don't use it myself but some of the players do that otherwise wouldn't be able to move for lag."


Right, right, optifine does help a bit. I actually used it when optifine was two mods back in the alpha days of Minecraft and it helped a bit more. Although now the best I can squeeze out of this toaster is about 20-25 fps on short-medium render distance, which is really less than ideal, but hey, it's all I have for now.

I guess a toaster can only toast so well no matter how much you fiddle with it.

I popped on the server and there really isn't much order to things. There should be an area with the co-ords of people's houses, or a portal at spawn with path's to other people's portals in the nether or somesort. Is there an area that everybody builds around, cause I had trouble finding anything besides the arena. :/ That stuff seems like good community projects. I'd hate to settle down somewhere to find out that I'm 3k blocks away from a society over the hill or something.

[edit] Yeah, there's totally a society over the hill or something.
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SpyDaniel
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Its a PvP server with griefing allowed, imagine if everyone had portals to their homes? Total destruction xD
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Libervurto
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Would it be possible to save the chunks a person's base is located in, in case they get griefed? This could even be a service you could charge a few bucks for as insurance.

I think you should change the server description because every time someone asks "is griefing allowed?", people say, "allowed... but not encouraged", so I don't think you should call it griefing. Griefing implies destroying structures for fun to cause others grief, that's not what anyone should be encouraging on their server. You want to allow bases to be destroyed, which is fine, but that is not the same thing as griefing.

People should only destroy structures if it benefits them or harms their enemies. This allows people to burn the crops of their enemies or steal their resources, and allows extortion, "give us 50 diamonds or we'll tear down your castle!", these actions are not "griefing" either, they have a purpose in the context of the game.



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Yeah, no point griefing a one man base, like I am. what's the point other than annoying and upsetting that player when they log in to find their tiny base trashed?

It should be team attacks allowed, single man griefing not allowed, because you get idiots who will be all nice and friendly when signing up, only to turn out to be a complete fiend and destroy every thing and make the world unplayable and ugly.
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Libervurto
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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:26
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The big house is coming along quite nicely. →



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 18:32
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I am offended by such animal cruelty; so little room for them to live.

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SpyDaniel
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Anyone wish to admit they found my base and took almost broken golden armour with thorns and blast protection on it? They also took my wheat and carrots from my farm, but replanted them oddly enough, also pistons went missing, so if it was you, let me know, you sneaky person, because I have no idea how you found it nonetheless got inside xD
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Libervurto
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Posted: 18th Aug 2013 00:09 Edited at: 18th Aug 2013 00:10
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Look what happens when you try to build something nice in Minecraft:

Wheaton's Rule? There's always some little turd who has to ruin it for everyone else.

I quit.



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The Zoq2
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Posted: 18th Aug 2013 00:44
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And that's why griefing should not allowed, breaking a wall to get in and steal something should, but not that

Say ONE stupid thing and it ends up as a forum signature forever. - Neuro Fuzzy
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thenerd
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Exactly what happened with my tower. It's never worth even playing on a big multiplayer server anymore.

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Someone broke into my home recently..oddly enough they only stole a single bar of iron.

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Aaron Miller
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Whoever made this... good job.

http://imgur.com/DAeLosa,ZMaYKEe,Nr4Odd9

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I suppose with such a big vanilla server, the only way to avoid greifing is to have a hidden base. Underground deep with the aesthetics primarily based on interior, heheh. Only show your friends how to find it. It's really the only way to live on a big server, I now realize, hehe. Anything large and public will be vandalized, especially if they remain anonymous, which it's rare without really proper moderation.

If only there were a vanilla server for the forumites exclusively. The number of people is smaller and we should all trust each other at least a smidgen. I suppose it didn't work very well with the old Alpha server either, considering it got griefed to heck one day.

The lesson here is that people are jerks.
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Aaron Miller
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Speaking of people, one more for the whitelist?

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I have too many villagers! [i][/i]

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Happy Cheesecake
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Posted: 19th Aug 2013 05:15
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Where did you come across all of that iron?

@Toffeemouse
What would you say if I asked you to share the server's seed with me? I imagine you would say certainly not because you don't trust me with it. I'd like to make a community slime farm somewhere near spawn but finding a slime chunk without the seed is rather tedious. A bunch of people consider slime balls a rarity on the server from what I could tell.

If you don't want to share it or give me the co-ords of a slime chunk on your own then it's perfectly fine.
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Quote: "Where did you come across all of that iron?"


Iron golem farm.

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Quote: "What would you say if I asked you to share the server's seed with me?"


Not sure how trust factors into that; you can't hurt someone else's game by using the same seed as them.

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Quote: "Whilst Invisible I followed Hinciul123 for 20 minutes watching him run down a 1x2 tunnel stopping to mine branches directly to diamond as he went along."


Thats how I used to catch out players on my factions server a while back.

Its a shame there isn't a way to prevent x-raying, as it was the downfall of my server! People don't actually realise that cheating like that can ruin a server. Its just selfish.

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Posted: 19th Aug 2013 12:29
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Quote: "Its a shame there isn't a way to prevent x-raying"


A combination of the following plugins makes it nearly impossible for xrayers and hackers:
Ore To Client Obfuscation: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/ore-client-obfuscation/ (NOTE: This is pretty slow, your server needs to be pretty powerful for this).

NoCheat: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/nocheat/

mxAntiPvPCheat: https://forums.bukkit.org/threads/admin-sec-mxantipvpcheat-1-11-an-approach-against-newest-pvp-cheats-1000.27734/

What annoys me though is hacking to find chests. I can hide my chests all I want, it does't make a difference if people use this:



If there's a way to obfuscate chests too, please do it!

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Toffeemouse
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Posted: 19th Aug 2013 14:09 Edited at: 19th Aug 2013 14:11
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I used orebscufator (SP!) in the past but it caused some serious issues, it was very hard on the CPU and a lot of chunks were corrupted.

Ideally Mojang would do something on their end, but they do nothing at all to stop people "cracking" minecraft so I highly doubt they are interested in this.

That being said, the new client has rendered a lot of the cheating mods useless, there used to be a popular one called 'Nodus' that has been discontinued due to it - much to the relief of many server hosts.

@ Cheesecake -
It's always been our rule to keep the server seed secret so that players cant go on single player creative and fly around finding dungeons, desert temples etc.



Edit: In regards to chest protection I have seen players put a layer of lava over their base (usually underground) - xrayers cant see through this as most transparent texture packs keep lava opaque.

I know of one guy who has turned to using 'droppers' instead of chests to store his items, too.



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Libervurto
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Cheating is a problem with the players, not the game. People who do not enter into the spirit of the game are detrimental to it, no matter what you try to do to prevent cheating.

I've never understood cheating. People seem to think that whatever they can do is still part of the game, well it's not; undermining/bypassing the systems of the game is not part of the game. In monopoly, stealing money when no one is looking is not part of the game; you may as well set fire to the board, urinate on your opponents and declare victory that way!

So how do you get people to enter into the spirit of the game?

1. Make a clear statement about what is expected from the players, and what happens to those who break the rules. I played on a server where in the spawn area there was a room filled with all the confiscated diamonds, gold and iron people had obtained through cheating. That sent a clear message that if you cheat you will get caught, and also it shows the entire server how much ore they have been robbed of, this creates a hatred towards cheaters because the players can see how it has affected their game directly. I think one of the major hurdles to preventing cheating/griefing is to remove anonymity. When people are made aware of what is happening on the server, and who the perpetrators are, this will create a united community that is less likely to cheat/grief.

2. Give them something to lose. Twitch (live video streaming service) has a system where in order to post in the chat you must pay a nominal one-time subscription fee (I think it's $5). This means they hardly ever get spammers or abusive comments, and if they do, that person can be banned and has just paid you $5 for the privilege of being a douche. This could be done in a similar fashion where, for example, players could not use diamond equipment or enchantments until they pay a membership fee.
It does not have to be a financial investment though, players can earn rights/privileges in other ways. They could have to apply to senior members or mods for promotion to higher ranks that give them greater privileges. I think it would be an interesting idea to require a certain number of votes from full members to become a full member yourself, then new players would have to travel the lands to seek out senior players and do "quests" for them in order to earn favour. Maybe different players could hold titles that grant specific privileges, for example, there might be a grand wizard who you must impress in order for him to grant you use of enchanting tables. Players could then compete and/or wage wars over who gets these titles.



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Quote: "Twitch (live video streaming service) has a system where in order to post in the chat you must pay a nominal one-time subscription fee (I think it's $5). This means they hardly ever get spammers or abusive comments, and if they do, that person can be banned and has just paid you $5 for the privilege of being a douche."

I haven't encountered this before, but I've only commented on one video so maybe that was just the case for that video.

Even with something to lose, though, the player might be willing to do it just because they enjoy it. At which point the player will just sink more into the game to do what they enjoy, or become more secretive about what they're doing. Griefing could still exist in the game, but it would appear differently so as to get around such restrictions. This can create problems for legitimate players who end up having to do more, but then they would already know what they have to do upon entering the game (as a rule board might describe this). I think overall it's a pretty neat idea but probably wouldn't stop much griefing.

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Libervurto, I found your old base and took some of the stuff back to our current base. We're now teamed with Jimmio92 (a friend of mine) as well. You'll probably notice a difference in our base since last you saw...

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I ran a server preventing people from using things like water buckets until they donated - it was very unpopular.

Im trying to grow this server to the player limit, its a total up hill struggle and things like that wouldn't help



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Posted: 20th Aug 2013 00:56
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Quote: "players could not use diamond equipment or enchantments until they pay a membership fee."


That's a REAL downturn for most people, and it's game breaking. In my mind, it paints the server in an image of "give me money or I'll make your life miserable".

Quote: "In regards to chest protection I have seen players put a layer of lava over their base (usually underground)"


That doesn't work anymore, the chest highlighter renders on top of everything else, making any kind of cover ups such as lava useless.

I know you can come from a moral perspective, but that's just not how hackers think.

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Libervurto
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Quote: "That's a REAL downturn for most people, and it's game breaking. In my mind, it paints the server in an image of "give me money or I'll make your life miserable"."

I think you're right about that.

The only legitimate way to encourage fair play is through the community itself. I think bringing them together and encouraging cooperation is important. Sadly, Minecraft doesn't naturally require any kind of cooperation.



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Quote: "The only legitimate way to encourage fair play is through the community itself. I think bringing them together and encouraging cooperation is important. Sadly, Minecraft doesn't naturally require any kind of cooperation."


This is why I have instated 'community managers'



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Oi Randomness, I believe that Aglow fellow and Shad0w_Snip3r poured some lava in your golem farm somewhere. Might want to check that out.

@Tofeemouse

You think you can look into banning or taking action against Shad0w_Snip3r? He's been harassing the younger members of the server in chat all day it seems, which as far as I can tell is against the rules. He's behind most of the griefing on the server, and while I know griefing is allowed, it's discouraging players to continue playing once their bases are found (most likely by illegitimate means) and destroyed. You'll have a hard time reaching that player limit on the server if all of the current legit players get griefed and leave.

And although I can't say for sure, it seems pretty evident that Shad0w_Snip3r is using some form of cheating to find bases. He calls it out on chat every time he finds one, always sure to say that he found it under a mound of dirt or hidden somewhere. Happens pretty frequently as well.

I mean, I know once my base gets griefed I won't play again. I don't know why anybody WOULD want to play again, especially if no action was taken against the jerk who did it.

My two cents.


And if anybody was wondering who "The Hunter" is on the server, that'd be Aglow. I know he's found and done something to most of the TGC fellows already, so you can go ahead and take it up with him.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2013 03:53 Edited at: 20th Aug 2013 04:13
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Quote: "And if anybody was wondering who "The Hunter" is on the server, that'd be Aglow. I know he's found and done something to most of the TGC fellows already, so you can go ahead and take it up with him. "

I thought the whole "hunter" scenario was interesting, until he just started griefing things. And he kept changing all the signs I put up which was really irritating.

Quote: "Im trying to grow this server to the player limit, its a total up hill struggle and things like that wouldn't help"

Try not to think like that. You will end up letting in people who grief others and harm the server. I mean grief as in purposefully annoy people for kicks, not necessarily destroying buildings.

I still think you should change the server rules text from "griefing allowed" to something like "no region protection". You don't want sound like you are endorsing negative behaviour. Try to put it in the light that you want the community to be free to establish their own rules, as that's the impression I get from how you treat the server.

It's difficult though because there's not much the community can do without some special tools.

Imagine, for example, if the established players could hire bounty-hunters, who would track down griefers and capture them. Once captured, the bounty-hunters could prevent the griefer from editing the regions controlled by their employers for a random number of days — randomized so the bounty-hunters never know exactly when the griefers will become a threat once more.



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Right, I don't have too big of a problem with Aglow, aside from it's kind of annoying what he does. At least it's not devastating. Unfortunately Aglow and Shad0w_Snip3r tend to hang around each other, so if Aglow knows where a base is, you can bet it's going to be destroyed.

Basically, Aglow's griefing is acceptable while Shad0w's is not. Aglow gets close to his victim, hides his intentions and plays a prank, more or less. In bad taste, but it's fine. Shad0w is open with his destructiveness and actively seeks out players for the sole intention of destroying people's hard work and time investments. Something makes him really good at finding bases, and more than likely it's some form of cheating.

Obviously I'm not a voice of authority or anything, this is all just my opinion based on what I've observed, take it with a grain of salt.


Also they were talking about your base Libervurto, a couple hours ago. Shad0w was there, so you can expect it to be in ruins. It could be your new base or your old one, all I know is that it was yours.
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The hunter hasn't gotten "us" yet. Our base has not been damaged. (Only three people know where our base is.)

I accomplished my goal for the server already though: full diamond armor + pickaxe + sword, enderchest. I've got a melon and pumpkin farm, a wheat farm, potatoes, carrots, etc. There's little left to do now. Anyone got any suggestions?

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...And that's why I gave up and went back to my single-player world.
Sorry I never got around to finishing the stable Libervurto, but from the sound of things it might be burned down by now anyway.
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@Softscale - Hey, you wouldn't want to see the base now. I didn't even get to finish the house. I saved two of the horses and took them off to Aaron (who I don't think is Aaron Miller), I think I'll leave it at that. I've got no real interest in playing any more since nothing nice can survive with griefers going around. I took the opportunity to tear down shadow's pyramid since it was an ugly piece of crap, so I guess I'm a griefer too?



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No, that was me. The base is still functioning; you should check it out before you stop playing on the server.

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Quote: "You think you can look into banning or taking action against Shad0w_Snip3r? He's been harassing the younger members of the server in chat all day it seems, which as far as I can tell is against the rules. He's behind most of the griefing on the server, and while I know griefing is allowed, it's discouraging players to continue playing once their bases are found (most likely by illegitimate means) and destroyed. You'll have a hard time reaching that player limit on the server if all of the current legit players get griefed and leave.
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I have been keeping up to date with shadows antics and have caught him harassing other players - we had a player like this in the past who was... it's hard to label but... anti social. The fact was the administrators wanted this guy gone but I wouldn't allow it as he hadn't broken any rules. In the end we did catch him breaking a rule or two and thats how we outed him.

Edited to add: Nether portals are often how griefers find bases, if you build one close to an overworld portal it will take you there rather than generating a new portal on the main world. This may seem like a lucky grief streak for a player when actually its a strategy. I do warn players to disable their portals when not in use.

As this is the second player and no doubt the last my stance has now changed and I will be amending the rules to make it clear that we don't want unsavory players. What Aglow is doing is fine, its just a play style, what shadow is doing is not - I think its good these two are playing at the same time as it really highlights the difference.

Changing griefing allowed to no region protection is a good idea, i'll get round to it when I have time to make new graphics for the forum advert.

Shadow is actually from the TGC community, i think.



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Posted: 20th Aug 2013 17:34 Edited at: 20th Aug 2013 17:47
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Quote: "Shadow is actually from the TGC community, i think."

Yes he is, which is why I let him join me in the first place. I didn't realise I was unleashing the destroyer of worlds!

If there were something we could do about it in the game then it would actually be interesting. That's the most interesting solution to griefing, to make it part of the game and give players in-game ways to prevent it, not meta region protection.

[edit] I just logged on to check out my old base and aaronm (guy who I joined) has been griefed. His base was totally underground, off in a random spot in the woods (and the trees are untouched so you wouldn't know anyone had been there).



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Quote: "I just logged on to check out my old base and aaronm (guy who I joined) has been griefed. His base was totally underground, off in a random spot in the woods (and the trees are untouched so you wouldn't know anyone had been there)."

I just logged back in. Our base hasn't been griefed. There's a secret to how you get in, but it requires another player online.

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Well I'm done with this server...just spent an entire week building a mountain house and floating farm...logged in and the entire thing was completely destroyed, nothing left. I was pretty far from spawn too...sigh.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2013 23:59
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Wow that sucks; all that time for nothing. What kind of a nut would destroy such a thing?

This is one of the reasons I have no time for these kind of games; it is not just in Minecraft that gives too much freedom and power to childish, ignorant, simple-minded, trouble seeking waste-men (or women). They are an absolute waste of the earths resources, it's their game to ruin it; because 'it is funny' or it gives them a high.

What would be cool, is to have a camera set up to catch them doing it; then put them in a special YouTube channel of Jerk-Offs to watch out for. Just a throught from a person who knows as much about Minecraft as a 3 year old.

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Inflictive
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2013 02:54 Edited at: 22nd Aug 2013 09:06
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Shad0w_Snip3r here. I have been checking this thread but didn\'t notice until now that there were two pages....

Quote: "And although I can\'t say for sure, it seems pretty evident that Shad0w_Snip3r is using some form of cheating to find bases."


Pretty much every base I find is either aboveground or has an obvious aboveground enterance, or I got the coorinates from AglowFanatic, or I saw a player\'s name below the surface, or I followed them home.

Quote: "He calls it out on chat every time he finds one, always sure to say that he found it under a mound of dirt or hidden somewhere. Happens pretty frequently as well."


This is not true at all...

Quote: " He\'s been harassing the younger members of the server in chat all day it seems"


I am not \"harassing\" people in the chat, that implies a one-way scenario (me insulting them and them not insulting me back). I have gotten into a lot of arguments with players however, and those are usually a result me killing/raiding them.

Quote: "Also they were talking about your base Libervurto, a couple hours ago. Shad0w was there, so you can expect it to be in ruins."


That wasn\'t me; nor was it AglowFanatic. It was an unknown third griefer! I was teamed up with Libvurerto, why would I grief him? Unlike AglowFanatic, I am not a traitor.

Quote: "Shad0w is open with his destructiveness and actively seeks out players for the sole intention of destroying people\'s hard work and time investments."


If you don\'t want griefing then.... don\'t allow it? Right now according to the rules this is an anarchy server, and I play it as such. Saying \"oh, well griefing is allowed, we just don\'t really like it\" won\'t cut it.

Conversely, if you don\'t want your stuff griefed, don\'t build on a server which allows griefing! There are plenty of servers just like this, except with no griefing and world protection.

Quote: "we did catch him breaking a rule or two"


The only rule I\'ve broken is pvping within spawn. The first time we both agreed to it so that should be okay. The second time this guy was harrasing me (I won\'t go into detail) and I gave him fair warning before slaying him. If you don\'t want pvp in spawn then get a plugin to prevent it.

Quote: " I took the opportunity to tear down shadow's pyramid since it was an ugly piece of crap, so I guess I'm a griefer too? "


So you destroyed it because you didn't like it? That's what I do, destroy things because I personally don't like them. Don't lower yourself to my level.

Quote: "This is why I have instated \'community managers\'"


Speaking of community managers, take a look at the attachment. Not sure why you want this guy representing your server.

[mod edit] Don't post images that contain bad language, even if it's to make a point. - Josh

That was [cm]Shadi_P saying very rude things, totally inappropriate for someone whose job is to "manage the community" (whatever that means). I can send it to you if you want.
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Chris Tate
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2013 03:00
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Oh the horror, the horror

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Posted: 22nd Aug 2013 11:39
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Please send shadi_p picture to [email protected]



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Posted: 23rd Aug 2013 00:03 Edited at: 23rd Aug 2013 00:53
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@Inflictive Studios

Well, it looks like you've denied or came up with an excuse for everything you've been accused of.

Yeah, you're right, what was I thinking? Clearly you're innocent, a model member of the community. You make it seem like you're the victim.

Quote: "The only rule I\'ve broken is pvping within spawn."


And you did it twice. Oh, well, if it's the only rule (along with skirting the line on harassment in chat) that you've broken, then forgive me, I guess I shouldn't have said anything. I wonder how many rules every other member has broken? Hmmm...

You're really respectful when you're defending yourself on the forum here, it's quite the contrast to the things you've said to people in chat. You'd get slapped pretty quickly if you talked to people that way here. If I had thought in advance I would have copied down some of the things you've said, but it's not really much use since everyone here knows how you are anyway.

Put yourself in your victim's shoes for a minute. You have 'studios' in your name, so out of principle, I'm going to assume you do something related to game making. What if you left your laptop unattended for a minute to go check on something and some person deleted all of the progress you've made over the past couple weeks on your brand new game. You come back and see it only remnants of your files left despite the measures you had taken to prevent people finding these files. They just happened to stumble upon a hidden folder or some sort. Now what do you do? I mean, it was there unattended... Sure they shouldn't have done what they did, but they did anyway. It's gone now and you can't do a thing about it?

Okay, maybe this situation is unlikely to happen, but clearly you don't play Minecraft like other people, so I couldn't use that as an example.

Thing is, if nobody wants their base griefed but you do it anyway expecting a negative response... Well, you just shouldn't. It's human interaction 101.

I could drive down to my pals house right this second, he's not home, and destroy his television, he'd never be the wiser! All he'd lose is a possession right? Well, it cost money I suppose, but you earn money over time, right? What's losing a bunch of hours off a paycheck right?

It's about the time investment, and believe it or not, everything someone builds in Minecraft requires a time investment. Every time you grief you're just making that many hours of their life worthless. Almost equivalent to partially killing them, shortening their lifespan. You can't just say "u mad? just a game lololol" and expect it to justify your actions.



Sorry for typing so much, I just feel rather strongly about this type of thing. Hopefully Inflictive Studios learns at some point to respect another human being's time and effort.
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Posted: 23rd Aug 2013 02:37
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For information on our new stance



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Posted: 23rd Aug 2013 02:52 Edited at: 23rd Aug 2013 02:53
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Quote: "You have 'studios' in your name, so out of principle, I'm going to assume you do something related to game making. "


So much for his business profile

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Posted: 23rd Aug 2013 02:55 Edited at: 24th Aug 2013 08:29
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Well, every minecraft server is different, so rather than use minecraft as an example, let's take the game Battlefield 3. If you sit around at base for 10 minutes waiting for the helicopter to respawn, and then I shoot you down as soon as you take off, did I steal 10 minutes of your life? Not really, that's how the game is played. You may have invested 10 minutes into that life which I destroyed by killing you, but Battlefield 3 is a competitive game and that's just the way it is.

The fun of griefing someone is Minecraft parallels the fun of killing someone in Battlefield 3, or any other multiplayer fps.

This server Simply Minecraft allows griefing and pvp. If it were a community building server, griefing would not be allowed. But griefing is allowed, so it's really more of an anarchy server. Don't build nice things on an anarchy server.

In real life, property destruction (like in your examples) is illegal, and the consequences(paying for it, jail etc.) far outweigh the benefits(none?). On this minecraft server, the consequences of griefing(none?) are far below the benefits(the competitive fun, building a reputation).
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Quote: "The fun of griefing someone is Minecraft parallels the fun of killing someone in Battlefield 3, or any other multiplayer fps."

They are completely different. Griefing in Minecraft is more like bad-mouthing people in Battlefield. Neither are part of the core game and are anti-social behaviour just to give you kicks.

Quote: "the benefits(the competitive fun, building a reputation)"

How is griefing competitive? The people whose bases you destroy have no way of defending them from you. You think building a reputation as a griefer is a positive thing?

Griefing is cowardly, needlessly destructive behaviour. Why do you want to destroy everything nice that people have built?

I will not be rejoining the server as long as you are part of it, Inflictive. Nice name by the way, it suits you.



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