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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 00:57
I'm wondering about what sort of etiquette mods hold themselves up to, and what etiquette others expect mods to follow? There's of course the enforcing of the AUP directly. What about how mods conduct themselves within the forums?

This is just idle curiosity.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 02:09
The mods behave like regular forum members within the AUP. They do also enforce it. Thats really it.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:28
Mods are jerks who like to screw with people because it gives them some perverted pleasure.
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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:45
I hear they have secret tea parties wearing frilly hats.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:48
Yes Fluffy I banned you for the above post. Not because it was an open attack in a very poor attempt to troll but because I'm a jerk who likes to screw with people for my own perverted pleasure.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:50
Quote: "Yes Fluffy I banned you for the above post. Not because it was an open attack in a very poor attempt to troll but because I'm a jerk who likes to screw with people for my own perverted pleasure."


Made my day.
Libervurto
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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:51
Banned? For life?

Thraxas
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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 07:54
No, just a week.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 09:31
Thraxas, I actually am a jerk who likes to screw with people. That's why I got the badge.

Some people are deluded into thinking we are chosen because we like to spend our spare time keeping the forum free from rude pictures, trolls, piracy and so forth for free. The truth as you know is that we are a highly paid and nasty organisation with the sole intent of making perfectly innocent people miserable.

I think you should cut Fluffy a break, he's actually perfect Mod material...

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 10:24
Quote: "The truth as you know is that we are a highly paid and nasty organisation with the sole intent of making perfectly innocent people miserable."

Good, good. Tell us more, please.



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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 13:17
Quote: "I hear they have secret tea parties wearing frilly hats."


I heard they wear frilly underwear as well!

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 13:20
Only at the AGM

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 16:19
Quote: "I actually am a jerk who likes to screw with people. That's why I got the badge."

That's not how I pictured you at all, bax!
I thought you where a decent, friendly, regular human being who respects other humans, and keeps these forums a nice and peacefull place to hangout.
Well, I don't care what other people think about you (or other Mods)! To me, you're still a nice guy!
Guess I won't be good material for becoming a Mod having just said that?

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Posted: 11th Aug 2013 20:07
Quote: "I thought you where a decent, friendly, regular human being who respects other humans"

I am not a human! That must be the reason...

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 03:04 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 03:05
Could we have a new rule where no more than one person per thread is allowed to have an animated signature? My eyes are beginning to hurt.

Edit Dammit! Mine's animated as well!



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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 04:01
TGC should create a new badge system for Level 60 trolls, some guys around here are really talented in troll craft I can tell ya. Some kind of award for being an offical forum "Dispised Member", or perhaps golden entries for the forums most notoriously re-banned trouble maker or perhaps a pre-ban button for the up and coming offense.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 04:08
I support everything Chris Tate says.

Then again, rewarding trolls for being trolls totally isn't counter productive...

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 04:18
Mods are needed, If it was not for them,We would live in a world full of spam,advertisements,no real media and rude people.

my signature keeps being erased by a mod So this is my new signature.
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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 06:58
So basically the MineCraft server?

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 07:08
I think we should have an unmoderated day once a year, just to see what happens.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 07:17
Now THAT would be fun!
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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 11:28
I'd like to include everyone etiquette in this discussion. Whether or not you agreed with my decision to ban Fluffy Rabbit for his above post it's the decision I made.

It wasn't based simply on that one comment but on his whole attitude on the forums recently.

He has since sent me 3 emails:

1.
Quote: "You must be looking for trouble, fatty."


2.
Quote: "**** you. You have no power."


3.
Quote: "Eat ****, fatty."



My response was simply "Ban extended", which again some of you may or may not agree with. Should he send anything else it will go straight to my spam folder so he's free to rant and rave to his heart's content about whatever he desires.

Now, I have always said if someone doesn't like that I've banned them or feels that they've been misunderstood that they are free to email me and discuss. I'm not an unreasonable person, I can even admit when I have made a mistake, but I don't feel like the responses above are things I should have to deal with from people.

I have said before and much to some people's disgust that I will respond in kind to your tone and posts. If you are rude to me then I feel you have set the tone for the conversation, and I will respond in kind.

So where is everyone's etiquette?

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 11:44
Quote: "I think we should have an unmoderated day once a year, just to see what happens."

We also can have a "Ban Day" once a month, when several random persons (including mods, jff) get banned for a short period

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 11:49 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 11:50
Bagsy first! Ban me please, I spend far too much time here...

Edit: Was that a permanent ban for FR Thraxas? I'd be shocked if it wasn't for that kind of disrespect. Only asking because it wasn't explicitly clear (to me anyway)

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 11:52 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 11:53
I know I was teasing Fluffy a few days ago by calling him 'the Child' but I'd say his recent actions certainly earn him a very childish title indeed!

It seems he never lasts long here when off of moderation, so I'd consider a perma ban to be not such a bad idea.
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Tolerate & Love!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 12:24
Quote: "so I'd consider a perma ban to be not such a bad idea. "


Nah, that's over the top. Perma bans should only be used on people who we know can never better themselves (for example spam bots).

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 12:40
Quote: "Nah, that's over the top. Perma bans should only be used on people who we know can never better themselves (for example spam bots)."

I think that I agree to some extent. If a spambot could learn to be polite and post relevant and friendly messages I would certainly consider removing a ban. Unfortunately spambots are like people in respect to their ability to exceed their programming.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 12:51
Quote: "So where is everyone's etiquette?"

I have always found the mods to be respectful and upstanding forum members. In general I think this forum is exceptionally well moderated. You just have to go anywhere else on the internet to see this is true.

I try to be courteous, polite and helpful. that's about the sum of my online etiquette.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 14:18
I must admit that recently I'd like the mods to be a little more strict personally, there was a bit too much disrespect going on and a few too many spam posts.

I'll admit, it was in the geek culture board here, which is the offtopic place, but still.

I dont mind fluffy rabbit personally but he has crossed the line quite a few times around here without moderation.



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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 14:43
Quote: "I'd like the mods to be a little more strict"

Nah, it's just the random coincidence in a row


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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 14:49
Where did you get the official blueprint for the random judgment generator? I thought it was for mods only!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 16:07 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 16:13
Quote: "Nah, that's over the top. Perma bans should only be used on people who we know can never better themselves (for example spam bots)."


Well the last email he sent me earned him a perma-ban. H went so far as to use a different email address so it wouldn't hit my spam folder:

Quote: "Hi Thraxas, this is Fluffy.

First of all, I would like to say that you are a dumb fat ****. Secondly, I would like to put my game distribution threads in context, and only a dumb fat **** like you would understand my reasoning, motivation, and techniques behind those threads which Mr. Handy has called "black PR".

Initially, I was trying to promote my little website. That didn't go over well, and lots of people flamed my thread and bashed my games. One of the main criticisms was that I was unwilling to invest in a permenant website. My lack of motivation to do so is less financial in nature and more technical. You see, I am not very good at website design, and nextgen.netai.net is sort of a "test", as in testing the market. I have since learned that the market is dead. ****, I don't even know if people will buy games on Googe Play! I dont even know if te McDonald's down the street will be able to stay open! All markets are dead in this economy. It's like Mad Max where I am. That is why I was trying to get people to cooperate with me. Maybe if they stopped being so damn skeptical and were willing to associate with me and "team up", all of our games would get more legitimate. People would come to my website to buy, for example, MrValentine's ****ty game Volcanic Adventures, and then they'd see Alien Moon Journey and be like "I've gotta have that!" That was my hope. I get no respect on those forums, and that's just how I like it, but when I show off my latest and greatest game, I expect people to enjoy it somewhat and not act like it's a pile of ****. I've made more games than most people on TGC, and yet they think they're qualified to criticize the quality of my work. MrValentine said "I don't use BASIC any more" when I told him how I made some of those games. That offends me deeply. By the way, that ******* let me down for the final time just a couple days ago and told me that Deep Red is more of a "showcase" for his "games". Can you believe it? Here I am trying to do some good for the world when when half a dozen dumb ***** come along and ruin it.

Now I hope you understand."


So he shows me no respect at all, shows that he no respect for the forum goers or their opinions and acts like a complete fool.

When I receive rubbish like this for something I do in my free time, it annoys the heck out of me. I don't care if you're having a bad day/week/month/year/life I'm not your punching bag, don't email me rubbish like this and expect anything but a negative response.

I fully expect more emails from this loser, filled with even more hateful nonsense. So please be aware that for this user all my 'mod etiquette' has gone out the window.

EDIT
I also still find it hilarious that people think that my avatar is a photo of me when it's the cover from a book:



If you want to comment on what I look like then please comment on what I actually look like ( although I'm not denying his description of me is accurate... it clearly is)

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 16:24
Dang, Fluffy really likes to take a lot out on you, Thraxas.

It's sad that he had to get a perma-ban, but at the same time, I think everyone here was getting rather tired of his ridiculously negative posts.

Anyway, back on topic...

I've never had any issues with any mods, ever. I've always respected them and they do the same for me. As previously stated, they're pretty much regular users who enforce the AUP. They do a good job of it, too!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 16:37
Most people go about their business on this forum without us having to even bat an eyelid. It's like a moderator has to spend 99% of their moderating time, moderating 1% of the community

For every blowhard, negative, clueless troll, we have 99 good users. It's not a bad ratio, of course we'd rather have 100% good users, but genetics doesn't work that way unfortunately.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 17:16
Just for the record; that kind of abuse/behavior would have earned him/her a perma-ban from me as well. We are expected to take a certain amount of flak here (and through emails); but there is a line to be drawn, and at some point (as VanB eluded to) we are spending an inordinate amount of time on one user. Then it's time to pull the plug.

Not surprisingly, I take issue with The Comet's assertion of when it's OK to perm someone. Having skirted the line himself numerous times, I don't really take it seriously though.

We are not here to take abuse from anyone. You treat people with respect, you will get treated with respect. It also works inversely. It is the same in real life (face to face); so it should be no different here. Each Moderator here is a bit different in their approach to situations (for example, I can be a bit more hot-headed than Thraxas at times; as some of you have noticed over the years); but that is how it is in the real world as well.

One thing we have in common, is our admiration for the bulk of the Community here. The majority of you have contributed MUCH to TGC and each other, over the years. That is the reason why we created the Badge/Award System. We wanted to recognize that (we go through names all the time, to see who warrants what), and TGC agreed. Of course there's always going to be personality or values clashes between members and moderators. We all have different views on things; sometimes those differences are like night and day. And sometimes members and moderators fall short on how we present ourselves and our points of view. But for the most part, we come around to a peaceful conclusion (or at least agree to disagree).

This is about as close as any Community can come to being perfect; in my opinion. It is due to both the hard work of the Moderators, as well as the Community at large. I'd like to thank the vast majority of the Membership here, for making our job a lot easier than it could be.

-Keith

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 17:40 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 17:46
Wolf, thanks for the reply.

Thraxas, I think you dealt with that properly. You're a teacher right? So you're used to dealing with children.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 17:43 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 17:44
Quote: "Here I am trying to do some good for the world..."

Now there's my new forum signature, right there. Lest we forget...

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 17:49
Quote: "Not surprisingly, I take issue with The Comet's assertion"


Hey!

I know we have our differences, but I'd never be disrespectful towards any members of this forum. In the past I may have claimed to be in disagreement with the moderation on this forum (I made a thread about it), but you must understand that I was angry and insulted at the time, much as our dear Fluffy currently is. In my thread, and during my ban periods, you set me straight again. In retrospect I am happy we have such good moderation on this forum, really.

With that said - and in my honest opinion - I still wouldn't have perma-banned fluffy. A very long ban would have been sufficient, because I believe one can learn from their mistakes if they really want to, fluffy being no exception.

That, and it's amusing.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 18:03
Actually if Fluffy is still alive in around 7000 years his ban will be lifted, so it isn't permanent

I believe it runs out on 12/08/9999.

I can't imagine he will be apologising to Thraxas or anyone else, or that his attitude on the forum will change either. That's the main reason I advocate a permanent ban in this case.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 18:58 Edited at: 12th Aug 2013 19:11
Quote: "Now, I have always said if someone doesn't like that I've banned them or feels that they've been misunderstood that they are free to email me and discuss. I'm not an unreasonable person, I can even admit when I have made a mistake, but I don't feel like the responses above are things I should have to deal with from people.

I have said before and much to some people's disgust that I will respond in kind to your tone and posts. If you are rude to me then I feel you have set the tone for the conversation, and I will respond in kind."

Well said, fatty.

I tried to defend Fluffy for a while because I think he has some kind of anti-social personality disorder, at least that's the impression I got. He seems to have no control over his temper, and is also very paranoid. He helped me make a sound generator for my space game, but he got really angry if I didn't implement things the way he wanted. It's just not worth the hassle when someone flies off the handle at the tiniest thing and then takes days to cool down.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 19:12
Quote: "Where did you get the official blueprint for the random judgment generator?"


obviously, he looted it during a raid on the box fort as described in this thread

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=182706&b=2

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 19:25
That psychopathic email is sort of funny to read if you imagine all the censored words are the n word. Then it gives off a Mel Gibson sort of vibe. At any rate, I think this forum could do with a few more permabans. I would have hit the big red button on that guy and few other choice members of the community a lot sooner than that email, but that's just me.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 20:41
Good to see the Mods having fun again:

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It's a shame that thread is locked, or I could remark at how praying is a way to feel like you're helping without actually doing anything.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 21:21
I think we should start our own version of that thread, except the mods are not allowed to post in it.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 22:41
Yeah.. good luck with that..

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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 23:10
Well, judging by the number of posts made by non-moderators compared to those by moderators, I'd say we've already won hands down - and your very existence depends on us.



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Posted: 12th Aug 2013 23:34
Quote: "I think we should start our own version of that thread, except the mods are not allowed to post in it."


How would we enforce such a restriction?

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Posted: 13th Aug 2013 00:04
We would simply ban the mods who tried to post in it! It's easy, you just do a little bit of this and then a little bit of that. Once you see a big blue button, click it. Then after doing a little more of this and that, you can then tell it what moderator to ban and for how long.

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