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Geek Culture / Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal'

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Nickydude
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Posted: 21st Oct 2013 23:43
Quote: "A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers. College student Josh Goldberg created the Full Screen Mario site in HTML 5 so people could play the game in a web browser rather than on a games console. But Nintendo has asked him to remove the content saying it infringes its "intellectual property rights".

The game is still operational."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069

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Posted: 21st Oct 2013 23:55
Quote: ""Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube, so this behaviour sounds entirely consistent.""

wut

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Wow, that's really sad. How do nintendo think this will hurt their sales in any way but positivley? Im guessing this guy does not make any money of the project and did it for the fun aswell as love for the franchise and this is how nintendo treat him?

Quote: "people could play the game in a web browser rather than on a games console"


Are they trying to make some money off sales for the NES now, I don't really see the logic behind this at all.

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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 00:53
Nintendo can claim full rights to any video on youtube which has Nintendo content in it, even if it is a millisecond of footage. They don't like people making money from their work.
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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 07:01


TotalBiscuit mentions Nintendo stopping people from posting footage of their games in this video. He has a lot to say about the subject in general too.

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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 12:30
Then nintendo should put AVGN into jail. Then they should put every PC magazine down for sreens and footage. Then they should die.

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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 16:49
seems nintendo might be the first company I actually boycott...



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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 19:11 Edited at: 22nd Oct 2013 19:13
Hmmm, this isn't good. I was planning on making an html5 version of my zelda game. Now I'm having second thoughts.

But the mario game is still online.

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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 19:32
Quote: "seems nintendo might be the first company I actually boycott..."

You can add SEGA to that list, they do the same thing.


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Posted: 22nd Oct 2013 21:09
How dare they protect their intellectual property!

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 02:46
Quote: " Nintendo can claim full rights to any video on youtube which has Nintendo content in it, even if it is a millisecond of footage. They don't like people making money from their work. "


Quote: "How dare they protect their intellectual property!"


You guys ever hear of fair use? (regarding youtube, obviously fullscreen mario is not fair use)

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 03:05
Does anyone recall if Nintendo were PIPA/SOPA supporters? It would seem they were, with these behaviors.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 04:24 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2013 05:49
Quote: "Mario, Super Mario Brothers, and all associated games and media are property of Nintendo and/or Nintendo of America Inc., and are protected by United States and international copyright, trademark and other intellectual property laws."


Quote: "admitted he did not get permission from Nintendo to re-create the game"


It's not rocket science...


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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 09:25
Quote: "You can add SEGA to that list, they do the same thing."


And Sony or Microsoft would do the same if someone would copy Uncharted or Halo and made them freely available. I don't quite get what's so uncommon about this case. I would be pissed too, if someone would clone a game of mine... otherwise would you argument that every game (or every piece of media really) out there should be released as open source? That would be some kind of Utopia thing.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 12:53
Quote: "And Sony or Microsoft would do the same if someone would copy Uncharted or Halo and made them freely available."

I'm sure they would, given that Halo and Uncharted are both modern games that they still sell and earn money off. Mario was released in '85... They're not still earning anything from that first game.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 13:19
Quote: "And Sony or Microsoft would do the same if someone would copy Uncharted or Halo and made them freely available. I don't quite get what's so uncommon about this case."


I'm more leaning towards the whole removing videos from youtube thing.

It's quite clear that this is somewhat logical - although silly.



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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 13:35
Well, I guess their reason for acting like this (shutting down clones and removing videos) is that they want to have 100% control over what happens with their intellectual properties. The problem is just that most of Nintendos franchises are based on such iconic characters and themes, that they are getting used for many things that the company doesn't want to be related with. Characters like Mario (including their looks and sounds) have grown into cultural phenomenons and Nintendo may be afraid of losing connection to them.
I think in the case of YouTube what they could do is to even use this for their own benefits, e.g. making contests like "Who can make the best Mario Bros. Speed Run" etc.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 13:56
Quote: "I think in the case of YouTube what they could do is to even use this for their own benefits, e.g. making contests like "Who can make the best Mario Bros. Speed Run" etc."


Idd, I mean - i kinnda get why they removed the videos including "Cutscenes from SSBB", but why remove tournament footage or just gameplay? It doesnt make any sense, why remove publicity? :/



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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 14:29
You can't fault Nintendo for trying to protect their IP, they're not doing anything wrong per say. However, if I were them I'd be happy that people clone my 20+ year old games. It'd be a sign of fan flattery to me. Now, if someone were cloning something more current that's still on the market that would be a different story.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 14:40 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2013 14:41
I agree that it's a bit silly that they are taking down videos that contain footage from their games; surely such videos help the popularity of said games.

Quote: "Mario was released in '85... They're not still earning anything from that first game."


Yes they are, as part of compilations and the Wii's virtual console thing. In any case, who's to say they don't want to make money from it in the future?

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 17:44 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2013 17:45
Quote: "They're not still earning anything from that first game."


I've bought SMB 1, 2 and 3 on Wii's virtual console. So yeah, they are still making money on it.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 20:07
Whilst I don't like it, it is their right to do it. It's their intellectual property and the guy did it without permission. Aye he's not making money from it, but it's not as if he's being sued or taken to jail, he's being asked to take the game down. But Nintendo are still making money from the game, so it makes sense that they'd expect people to desist when offering a free version, when somebody might otherwise pay 'x' amount for a version on the Wii. It puts Nintendo less in control of their own product if people are freely distributing them via one means or another. Personally I'd argue, it's old, people love it and people could discover a love for Mario and in turn buy other Mario games and let this slide as a gesture of good will to fans. But a businness may prefer to protect their intellectual property, which is a valid thing to do.

There's a number of old games out there being resold by the owners to the rights of those games, including the majority of Final Fantasy, Sonic, Zelda, Mario, Grand Theft Auto and other classic titles. Yes it doesn't really hurt if these games were released freely as they've made their money, but it's their intellectual property and it's up to them to decide how they want it used, not us the consumer. Of course, if we believe a company should act differently, there are feedback processes - enough feedback can have an effect (at least it has done to a degree where I work) or alternatively - to steal a phrase from Jeku, speak with your wallet. If enough people speak strongly enough, it can push change, for instance, Square Enix, their worth has gone down, sales have gone down and have been looking to make a change in their approach.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2013 21:15
Quote: "Yes they are, as part of compilations and the Wii's virtual console thing."
I did not know that, fair enough xD I still think it's a part of Nintendo's unhealthy attitude towards their IP though. I could understand them trying to prosecute people who were distributing free versions of their newest games, but this seems a little too far.

Especially when you take into account all the videos they've been taking off youtube, it doesn't paint a particularly nice picture of their PR department

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Posted: 24th Oct 2013 01:38
I hope he just reskins it and re-releases it as "Duper Dario" or something. I don't like IP but I don't him using Mario either, that's just riding on Nintendo's popularity, make your own game and release it how you like.


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Posted: 24th Oct 2013 08:27
Quote: "make your own game and release it how you like."


but copying other games are a great way to learn ^^... granted you can do that, without releasing it to the public



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Lol; that Gianna Sisters game looks so original, how did they think that up?

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Posted: 24th Oct 2013 11:44
Why just silly Nintendo don't put dozens of Nintendo advertising on that Mario site? They will make a huge profit instead of nothing.

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Posted: 31st Oct 2013 21:25
I think the copyrights on software should be only like 25 years. Honestly, if you still need to make money after all that time then it's sad. Retro-gamers are a niche market anyways and I just doubt that much of Nintendo's profits come from old titles. Maybe I've been living under a rock, but last time I checked the "upcoming generation" have no respect for old low-res 2D games anyway. I mean even old PS1 games are given no interest. There are so many "remakes" that it actually insults the original after a while (like with Final Fantasy 1 - 4). Overly commercialising something just hurts to artistic value of the original.
I agree with mr Handy; they should reach a compromise that the site give them advertising or something and they let things be.

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25 years feels almost a bit little tbh, it's great for us - but horrendously bad for companies. Heck, most companies that's been around since the early 1900 would loose all their copyrights to their products by then, so tbh - that's ridiculous.

Copyright falls into much much more categories than games, nonZero. Like car designs.



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Posted: 1st Nov 2013 01:41
I suspect video games are or are soon going to go the way of classic movies. Yeah it's niche but it's a big niche.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2013 16:14
Quote: "early 1900"


Ahhhhh the early 1900s, fondly remembered as the golden age of gaming.

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Quote: "Ahhhhh the early 1900s, fondly remembered as the golden age of gaming."


Did you, read, my post?



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Nobody cares of my opinion but whatever; now I think that Nin's behaviour is correct. Yes. When Nin's taking down user videos is not exactly right (as user have it's own copyright involvement in creaton of the gameplay record), they must take money from views, that will be fair and correct. And Mario free clone is out of fair usage, indeed.

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2013 00:17 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2013 00:17
Quote: "they must take money from views, that will be fair and correct"


Why? I don't pay huffy for my sweet bike reviews or videos of my awesome bike jumps.

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2013 21:17
Quote: "Quote: "Ahhhhh the early 1900s, fondly remembered as the golden age of gaming."

Did you, read, my post?"


Did you read mine, :
Quote: " think the copyrights on software should be only like 25 years."


I meant specifically software. I believe different types of patents should have different expiry dates. I mean, I've never had a chance to flesh it out and work out all the kinks with this idea so I admit it's far from perfect and very broad-spectrum, but I believe if patents on software were 25 years, it'd be long enough. It would also mean that poorer people and poorer countries (like mine) would at least get a chance to enjoy what would otherwise be inaccessible to them (most of us here have insane bandwidth limits so we couldn't pirate even if we wanted to*)
As a creator myself -- albeit one who has yet to publish something meaningful under my own name -- I get more happiness out of people enjoying my content. The profits, IMO, would simply be there to sustain me so I could focus solely on my creative endeavors without having to work. But then again, that's why I'll never be successful in the business world

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Quote: "Did you read mine, :
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Well.. thats a bit embarrassing, sorry about that >_< Well, yes then, I somewhat agree with you, atleast with
Quote: "I believe different types of patents should have different expiry dates"




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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 09:36 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2013 09:45
Quote: "Why? I don't pay huffy for my sweet bike reviews or videos of my awesome bike jumps."

no game = no video

P.S. there are lot of original user content on youtube, like Annoying Orange or Simon's Cat. Your video is not 100% made by yourself.

Also I don't know if Nin's don't like only commercial user videos or not commercial too?

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 15:14
Quote: "no game = no video"


no video = no players

is also a potential argument. Free advertisement yo. Besides, it's completly legal to monetize videos of games. The only case in which I agree with you is walkthroughs.



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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 15:54
I believe that pulling the browser game was the correct thing to do. But banning fan videos of playthroughs or machinimas or whatever should not be allowed. As long as the video creator gives credit to the copyright holder for the video usage, it's free advertising for them.

Pulling videos offline only annoys people who want to spread the game around the net, and perhaps generate a few more sales for the publisher.

If, however the video author is getting money from their video from adverts or whatever, then again, the copyright holder is well within their rights to pull their content.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 15:57
Quote: "no game = no video"


Quote: "The only case in which I agree with you is walkthroughs."


That makes no sense. Would you rather not have these videos at all?

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 16:03
Quote: "it's free advertising for them."


not necessarily, I know quite a lot of people that decide to watch playthrough instead of playing it. So it's a double edged sword. Videos like total biscuit or reviews are okay IMO, as they are informational videos

but walkthroughs? or "Let's plays"?



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Quote: "not necessarily, I know quite a lot of people that decide to watch playthrough instead of playing it. So it's a double edged sword. Videos like total biscuit or reviews are okay IMO, as they are informational videos"


Those are not called gamers, those are viewers XD Why would you make a game not aimed at gamers XD

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Quote: "se are not called gamers, those are viewers XD Why would you make a game not aimed at gamers XD
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mind you these people do play games. And are considering to buy them - and then they see a walkthrough (on a story heavy game) and watch that instead.



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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 16:56
Quote: "and then they see a walkthrough (on a story heavy game) and watch that instead."


Stats please? That's like watching your friend eat a cheeseburger.

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Quote: "Stats please?"


stats... I said i'm talking about my friends lol - although one of them bought TWD when she realized there will be a second season pretty much

but the rest? no. x)

and she's considering to watch The last of us and possibly Beyond aswell.

oh wait.. it's a girl - girls cant be gamers.. right?



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Yeah, they're still not true gamers. Proper gamers won't be happy just watching a video of a game.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 22:20
Well, so far as youtube's videos, technically speaking, Nintendo can't do much. Aside from being some form of free speech in the US of A (I think?), it's internationally regarded as Fair Use or Something Like That - Region-dependent.

It's kinda funny though coz Hollywood companies get paid more than I make per year for Product Placement (One of the things I love about anime is that they parody Product Placement with things like "Mikon" cameras and "Goozle", etc, lol). So yeah, Developers/Publishers should be beating reviewers' doors down asking them to do a review on their latest titles. I suppose though, I should just accept that the world doesn't make sense and move on.

Quote: "oh wait.. it's a girl - girls cant be gamers.. right? "

My mom (58) is a gamer. She plays console, PC and even mobile games. And I mean like Final Fantasy I & II to Resident Evil 2 to Final Fantasy X. Granted she used to constantly nag for help at first, but she's played through RE2 and FF10 more times than me. Her Geek Level is nowhere near mine -- being prolly about 800 give or take while mine, like most people here, is over 9000 -- but she's more of a gamer than many guys I know of my age.

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was a joke, but i'm sure you got that..

my mom's 43 and was a "hardcore Counter strike" player, feels she doesnt have time now, but once in a while she'll pick some games up and play ^^
She loves to watch me play on the console though



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Posted: 3rd Nov 2013 22:49
Quote: "was a joke, but i'm sure you got that.."

Eeyup. My mom also used to like watching me play. Crazy world.

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