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Phaelax
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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 19:26 Edited at: 12th Dec 2013 19:27
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Do not update Chrome, all my extensions have been removed, including one very important one that I use daily, session manager. All my sessions are gone!

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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 19:52
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Thanks for the heads up.

I hate Google because it's slowly turning YouTube into Google+.
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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 20:00 Edited at: 12th Dec 2013 20:02
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don't like it = don't use it

Here is a picture of Phaelax and Chrome


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Phaelax
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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 20:04
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Quote: "don't like it = don't use it"

Doesn't really apply to something you've already been using just fine then an update has unwanted results. They could at least put a disclaimer like "hey this update will kill all your extensions", or tell me which extensions aren't compatible (which I thought it used to do).

I think I found the raw data file(sqlite file) for my previous sessions, however, the new session manager appears to store the info in a different table structure than before. I had a few dozen sessions saved and several of them probably had a hundred tabs. It might be tedious, but I think I can recover my stuff.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 20:10
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Quote: "and several of them probably had a hundred tabs."


Quote: "probably had a hundred tabs."


Quote: "a hundred tabs."




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Posted: 12th Dec 2013 20:59
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In fairness, this may be a bug. My Chrome is up-to-date, and I still have all my extensions.

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My laptop is up to date and no extensions were lost at all and I have a lot.

My desktop is on the beta release and that is also fine.

My guess is you were unlucky and hit a bug.

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I was running version 29, but had to update so I could use the Amiga 500 emulator.

I managed to write a php script which took the data I found and put it in a format that allowed me to import into session manager. Despite losing the names of the sessions, I think I have them all back.

After googling for extensions removed on update, I couldn't really find anything. So you guys may be right and this is an isolated case.

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Mozilla +1


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Uh, anybody else think Handy's image is a bit... well, prickly for the subject at hand?

Anyway, I stopped using Chrome a while ago. I loved it for the longest time, but it started getting bloated a while back and I was tired of the constant updates. I'm now using Safari and Firefox (Firefox for all the extensions, Safari because of the new features it has for reading certain sites).


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Posted: 13th Dec 2013 08:43 Edited at: 13th Dec 2013 08:43
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I stopped using chrome because of it was the most hard disk space inefficient software I have ever had installed. Annoyingly, there is usually a matter of at least 6 or 7 chrome.exe processes running in the background on my laptop without me running it.

I have not found a good reason to stop using Firefox for 8 years now, so I am not that experienced with Chrome.

Good luck making it work again.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2013 10:20
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I don't use Chrome, I use Evil Chrome Bastard. Me happy as an elephant

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What's so different about Yandex? Looks like it's just yet another chrome port.

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Im mainly using chrome right now and have been for many years, but it has quite a lot of bugs and firefox is waaaay better for developing in. The only reason I have stayed with chrome is because of the google account history/bookmark sync

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Posted: 13th Dec 2013 21:26 Edited at: 13th Dec 2013 21:30
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Quote: "What's so different about Yandex? Looks like it's just yet another chrome port."

1. No Google inside
2. Way better GUI design (my taste)
3. Built-in Opera Turbo
4. Synchronization with mobile versions (no google)
5. All chrome extensions compatible
6. A dozen of neat tricks like page text search engine and more

Firefox has awful GUI design, awful old plugins support.

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I just switched from firefox to this "Yandex"

SO MUCH BETTER. It is way faster. It looks nicer. More extensions that actually work like they are supposed to. This is my new favorite browser.
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Quote: "1. No Google inside"

Meaning what exactly? Maybe they just replaced it with their own russian company tracking. I'll have to do research before I go downloading a russian browser I've never heard of.

Quote: "2. Way better GUI design (my taste)"

The screenshots look the same as chrome's GUI.

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The GUI is similar but not exactly the same. And it does have some google and opera mixed into it. That is why you can use chrome extensions. Overall its a nice simple browser that beats chrome.
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I use whatever the establishment tells me too.

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As long as you dont use IE < the lastest verison im happy

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Posted: 14th Dec 2013 13:04 Edited at: 14th Dec 2013 13:05
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@Phaelax
No google means no google tracking or whatever.
Yandex have same 6+1 checkboxes related to personal data in settings.
You can disable everything and nothing will be sent except when you use translation, spellckeck, or, obviously, sync.

Here design comparison:


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Posted: 14th Dec 2013 13:29 Edited at: 14th Dec 2013 13:30
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I don't advertise it It's just an alternate Chrome, and for sure there are lot of more alternate Chromes.

Quote: "6. A dozen of neat tricks like page text search engine and more"

Here


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Umm, Chrome does dynamic searching in address bar. And text search (just as every browser does). And that "feature" of adding a root button in the address bar I would not want. If you like all those features then fine use yandex. But I have no need for any of them. The tracking would be my only concern.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2013 20:11 Edited at: 14th Dec 2013 20:32
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Quote: "Umm, Chrome does dynamic searching in address bar."

It does not. As you see, I had installed Chrome specially for you to make those screenshots, to show what I was talking about. Dynamic search means that you can edit search text. And in Chrome you must retype search site, press TAB and text again just to fix typo.

Quote: "I would not want."

Can be disabled. Also so-called 'smart' address bar shows real URL when you click it. But it shows full page title clearly instead of stupid stub (weak spot for many browsers).

I am not convincing you to change cactus browser. For example, TheComet changed to Torch (after someone here posted about it) and now happy with it! NIlooc223 have tried Yandex and like it. If you like Chromium as me, you can try all the alternate browsers! Who knows what you may like!

P.S. for your interest, Yandex send all your PC data straight to KGB's basement, where bears drink vodka and looking your private photos.

edit: this edit is final

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Posted: 14th Dec 2013 20:40 Edited at: 14th Dec 2013 20:45
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Quote: "I'll have to do research before I go downloading a russian browser I've never heard of."

What does it being Russian have to do with anything?

I cannot try it because there is no GNU/Linux version.


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Quote: "I cannot try it because there is no GNU/Linux version."

Did you mean 'open source' or 'Linux version'? Or both?

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Quote: "What does it being Russian have to do with anything?"

Because many russian companies are responsible for spyware and I think one should be cautious just as the same as I would be towards software coming out of china. I never heard of yandex, so I'm simply being cautious. It's not the country itself, it's just where a lot cyber crime originates.


Quote: "And in Chrome you must retype search site, press TAB and text again just to fix typo."

Uhh no I don't. It dynamically highlights anything on the page as I type it or correct it. What are you talking about retype the search site?

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Quote: "Because many russian companies are responsible for spyware"

Names please. I am interested.

Quote: "Uhh no I don't. It dynamically highlights anything on the page as I type it or correct it. What are you talking about retype the search site?"

I have to installed chrome for second time for you
Go to youtube.
Click search box on page, type anything.
Now youtube search is added to the list (can be viewed in settings).
Click address bar, type youtube, press tab (when it is asked).
Now you can search directly on youtube from address bar.
You can do same for almost every other site that has search box.
But in Chrome you can't alter your search text in address bar, you have to re-do all again.

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I have heard of Yandex, I think it was from a Computer magazine. But I'll stick with Firefox, Mozilla seems to be the most trustworthy internet company out there. By FAR!


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Of course open source is always trustworthy

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Quote: "Did you mean 'open source' or 'Linux version'?"


GNU/Linux is what is commonly referred to as just 'Linux'.

Safari on OSX has dynamic searching - nothing special.


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Quote: "Of course open source is always trustworthy "


Not always. If you really believe that, I won't be surprised if you've encountered a ton of viruses.


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Yodaman Jer.
Hey, that is unexpected for me! Tell me more.

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Quote: "Names please. I am interested."

I'll rephrase, many cyber crimes originate from russia and china.


Quote: "Go to youtube.
Click search box on page, type anything.
Now youtube search is added to the list (can be viewed in settings).
Click address bar, type youtube, press tab (when it is asked).
Now you can search directly on youtube from address bar.
You can do same for almost every other site that has search box.
But in Chrome you can't alter your search text in address bar, you have to re-do all again."

Your original screen shot showed page searching, as in ctrl+F. What you're talking about is different. You're still not being very clear though. Why would I want to search from the address bar in the first place? What do you mean by redo all again? The only thing my address bar will ever search is a google query unless I explicitly change it in settings. And I have no desire to do that. Frankly, I wish my address was strictly that, an address bar. If I want to search youtube, I go to youtube.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2013 08:28 Edited at: 17th Dec 2013 08:35
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Original screenshot.
Your reply:
Quote: "Umm, Chrome does dynamic searching in address bar."

then
Quote: "Your original screen shot showed page searching, as in ctrl+F."

then
Quote: "Why would I want to search from the address bar in the first place?"

then
Quote: "The only thing my address bar will ever search is a google query"


You are so random!

P.S. I have re-read the thread. It appears that I want you to change browser, but I am not. I just pointing the flaws in Chrome. They are not important to you, I understand.

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I'm just following your posts. Apparently, I require much less from a browser than you do.

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Um... what?

I really don't know what you're saying in response to my previous post. What's unexpected, exactly?


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Quote: "Apparently, I require much less from a browser than you do."

That is okay. But 100 tabs is something beyond my imagination

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You told about malicious code in opensource software. So Sourceforge is not 100% trustworthy?

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Quote: "You told about malicious code in opensource software. So Sourceforge is not 100% trustworthy?"


There is no such thing as 100% trustworthy, any open source software has the potential to be corrupted with bad code. The reason you have not seen it is you are using open source software that is well managed and all builds are checked.

Do not make the mistake of associating open source with secure and trustworthy it isn't it is the management by repo administrators and the other users that keeps it that way.

Don't you think if a hacker had a chance of getting away with it they would insert malicious code into an open source browser.

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Quote: "The reason you have not seen it is you are using open source software that is well managed and all builds are checked."

What about antivirus? Does it help if so?

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Quote: "What about antivirus? Does it help if so?"


The way antivirus works is by scanning files for known lines of code (or file names etc) that match a virus database, if the hacker has made a brand new virus that does not match one of these known lines of code then no match will be made.

So anti virus works to some degree but not always especially if the hacker knows what they are doing.

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Quote: "But 100 tabs is something beyond my imagination"

You know how you're looking something up and one link leads you to another link then to another? I leave stuff open with the intent of going back to read it all.... something I rarely get to do before it crashes

Quote: "So Sourceforge is not 100% trustworthy?"

I think he's saying the people aren't. And lately, I've been reading about projects moving away from SourceForge. Gimp claims ad policies are to blame, others apparently now make use of a 3rd party sourceforge installer.

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