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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 06:26 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 06:33
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Quote: "My bad, I apologise."
It's alright, bro. I also apologize for the aggressively forceful use the shift key while typing that word. Hey, now you have a justifiable reason not to vote for me, so you should be happy.

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Quote: "Votes should be counted on counting day regardless of their edit status - if they were edited after closing time then they are discarded."
Excellent input!!!! Does anyone else have something to say about this? If so, the rule can certainly be changed.

Here are my thoughts on that. Say we have a seven day voting period (which is most likely), and on the first day some votes are cast. People who are not receiving as many votes as they had hoped for could get disappointed, caught up in the moment, etc, and intense politics could arise. That would in itself not be ideal, and that would also allow for voters to be falsely biased into changing their votes by upset parties that are able to sweet-talk the voters into doing so.

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swissolo
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Perhaps we should have an unbiased party receive votes through PM so other's votes do not impact each other. Maybe our current president?

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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 07:24 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 07:25
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That's an awesome idea, in fact! In short time, if the current forum president doesn't see these posts first, I'll shoot him with a PM to see what he thinks of the idea. Oh wait, I mean shoot him a PM, not shoot him with a PM. Assassinating the forum president with a PM would be bad. :/

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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 09:49 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 10:01
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First off, Indicium, you've a good point about our party running the thread and the voting system. I have made a suggestion further down regarding both.

Secondly, about PM voting:
Yeah, could work, but I think votes need to be open to public scrutiny. I mean if, say, a party who was just messing around won, people may accuse Sepp of miscounting votes, or anything untoward. I think it also may be unfair to expect him to sift through all those votes, especially with everyone changing.

Sadly I think, for the sake of indemnity, we have to hold the vote public in a thread. As Indicium suggested, we should allow changes to the bitter end. Then have a mod lock the thread when the voting window expires. How does that sound?

Thirdly, about the elections:
Also, maybe we aren't ready to open the polls yet. Maybe we need a thread to discuss how we'll run this first. How's that sound?

I move to postpone voting until we can settle this. We didn't give ourselves enough time to get organised to begin with.

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Quote: "I mean if, say, a party who was just messing around won, people may accuse Sepp of miscounting votes, or anything untoward. I think it also may be unfair to expect him to sift through all those votes, especially with everyone changing."

The chances of people winning who were joking around are probably lower when the votes are hidden. Having sepp do it was just a suggestion. Perhaps for vote validity we could have 2 volunteers receive the votes. Can mods see PMs? If so, we could alternatively find a mod generous enough to confirm the votes.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 19:22
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I think the voting should be public as it has been in the past.
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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 20:24
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nASA officially agrees with both swissolo and Idicium since we are comitted to equality for all. When two opposing views exist, we support them both, existing in two simultaneous states. Vote for Schrodinger's nASA.

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 20:40
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Quote: "nASA officially agrees with both swissolo and Idicium since we are comitted to equality for all."


Time for some policy bashing... This is not how you want your forum run - you don't want a president with no opinion. I promise to always have a strong opinion and stick to it! Stubborn, almost.
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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 21:18
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Quote: " Time for some policy bashing... This is not how you want your forum run - you don't want a president with no opinion. I promise to always have a strong opinion and stick to it! Stubborn, almost."

Do you really want a president who could be a tyrant? A possible dictator? Rather a fool who will keep things stable than someone with a strong opinion that they shove down everyone's throat.

"[Having an opinion is like have a certain organ: it's great to have so long as you don't go shoving it down everyone's throats]" -- Albert Einstein*

Vote for nASA and protect LIBERTY!!!

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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 22:06 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 22:13
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Quote: "nASA officially agrees with both swissolo and Idicium since we are comitted to equality for all. When two opposing views exist, we support them both, existing in two simultaneous states. Vote for Schrodinger's nASA."
Oh nonZero, let me tell you, I love you.

nASA does have an opinion, and that is that all folks need to be supported equally. We provide support to all folks via a democratic system, as to allow for things to run smoothly. Right, nZ?

Well how about this: we STRIVE to support both sides, but we democratically choose which side is better to support, eh nZ? Let us be honest to the public, communication between us has been a little lacking. See folks, we are transparent about internal issues with nASA. We shall strive to fix this!

I personally see it that the voting shall be held publicly. What are the thoughts of others on this?

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I think there should be only one vote and it should be me who must cast it. I will vote privately via a pm to myself, I will then inform everyone of the result of the election when I decide the time is right.

This is the fairest way that this election could be handled, I will get started right away. Good luck to everyone who is running, may the odds forever be in your favour!

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Equality != everybody_is_right;


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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 03:25
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Quote: "Equality != everybody_is_right;"
Which I support when I say that things shall be democratically chosen.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 05:11 Edited at: 10th Jun 2014 05:18
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You are just saying that because your warped perception of truth forces you to concede my point despite whether you concur or dissent.

btw what if I say you are wrong? Am I still right? Or is it a case of "You are correct as long as you agree with me"


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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 05:42 Edited at: 10th Jun 2014 05:44
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you've confused me

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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 11:39
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Quote: "Let us be honest to the public, communication between us has been a little lacking."

Lacking?! This is the first I've heard of this. Why didn't you communicate this to me?

Also, vote for nASA if you like tea and cake.

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 11:47
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Quote: " You are just saying that because your warped perception of truth forces you to concede my point despite whether you concur or dissent.btw what if I say you are wrong? Am I still right? Or is it a case of "You are correct as long as you agree with me""

No, he's confusing democracy and equality. And no, he needn't concede because I agree:
We believe in sandboxing people so they may exist within their own perceptions of reality while we act as an abstraction layer between them, the so-called true reality and one another.

Vote for nASA simply because we must be wearing you all down!

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Quote: "We believe in sandboxing people"

Literally.



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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 20:55
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Yes, now look at that smile.

Vote for nASA or continue to be annoyed by these spam taglines

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Quote: "Do not edit your posts; any edited post will NOT count for a vote. Whoever you vote for in your first post is who you are voting for."


So much for democracy.
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Like I said, I merely copied the rules from the previous election. That was the most logical choice!

How does America work? You can't edit your votes once you cast them. And yes, America is a democracy.

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May you vote for yourself?


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Posted: 11th Jun 2014 05:54
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You indeed can; I have just modified the rules to reflect this.

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Edit: Wrong thread...

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Posted: 11th Jun 2014 15:26 Edited at: 11th Jun 2014 22:48
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I'm still with Indicium about changing votes because we haven't had any pre-elections or given people much chance ro think about things. Also I nominate Phaelax for forum president if it ain't too late. This is nothing peraonal against any of us, just that he posts on most of the boards, has been around a long time and is very helpful generally. He's actually more deserving than all of us put together (if you want, DJD, you're welcome to quit nASA and run for VP under him).

Edit: Excuse that post to those who saw it, my spellos and typings were awful! I really may never get the hang of touch screens.

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I hope you all die.
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Well, fine, I guess I agree with you folks on the vote changing. But I said that only under the direction of a mod could the rules be changed!!! So if I changed them myself, it would appear arrogant.

Should I change that rule anyway?

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Posted: 11th Jun 2014 23:01 Edited at: 11th Jun 2014 23:06
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DJD, you stayed with nASA anyway! Your loyalty is inspirational! Also, I understand your feelings about the vote-changing, but people on a forum almost always post without thinking. About the rule-changing, I think it probably is too late maybe. I mean you set the contract and breaking it would open a paradox that could only be fixed by making you a moderator. Hey, that means maybe if you edit the rules, you'll get a mod badge. Or the world will end? Hmmm... tough call but myself and the rest of nASA stand by you, what ever decision you make.

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We all will... eventually
Pssssst: If you vote nASA though, we can try and speed it up. No promises though. We will do what we can.

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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I suppose then, I will leave it for the time being. Unless a public outcry resulting in a violent mob with diamond dust coated pitchforks occurs, I will leave it as is.

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I shall be nonZero's Vice President nominee

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I already am that position...... Have been for the whole time...

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Since I shouldn't be saying it in the voting thread, I'd just like to point out that since votes are public the first couple people to receive votes are the only ones who have a chance. It's a bit unfair Additionally, we should have had a list of candidates nominated AND running. To best honest I'm not entirely sure who's running TheComet was nominated but seems to have blended with nASA and there are a few others I think I have forgotten entirely.

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Well, nothing to do about public votes; that's the way it's always been done, as far as I know.

As for creating a list of folks running, yes, I should have done that. I should work on that pretty soon then, you suppose?

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Quote: "Well, nothing to do about public votes; that's the way it's always been done, as far as I know."

To quote Dr. Horrible "but I'm talking about an overhaul of the system"

Quote: "As for creating a list of folks running, yes, I should have done that. I should work on that pretty soon then, you suppose?"

Probably.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2014 04:11
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I'm on it, my fellow forumite!!!!

If I have the audacity to just go and start an election voting thread, I might as well maintain it correctly.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2014 04:33 Edited at: 13th Jun 2014 04:35
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Alrighty, I think it's done.

If I missed or wrongfully included anyone, please let me know in this thread.

And my sweet goodness, that post is ugly. I am going to go on a long walk, and when I get back, I will work on formatting that thing to make it look palatable.

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Quote: "I'm on it, my fellow forumite!!!!"



Quote: "And my sweet goodness, that post is ugly."

Probably just doesn't need the double spacing

Also, how did I get on the list? Fine by me I guess. This would be the 3rd time I've been nominated for something without knowing. But hey, I won one of those two other times so mind as well leave me on for chuckles perhaps someone will misspell nASA in a drunken stupor with a few l-s, o-s and whatnot and I'll get a vote.

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Quote: "perhaps someone will misspell nASA in a drunken stupor with a few l-s, o-s and whatnot and I'll get a vote."
You know, I'm sure it could happen.

How did you get on the list??
Quote: "Instead of joining the race, I'd like to form a political party: The Party Party."
Remember saying that? I guess I'm not certain what you meant there. But hey, now you have been nominated be me!!!

Alllrighty, I think that looks muuuch better. The 'Voting Thread' text in that image I made evokes a competitive feeling; it's a little reminiscent of fire.

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Quote: "Remember saying that? I guess I'm not certain what you meant there"

I meant to have a 'party' that would back someone else. Perhaps so people could argue over my one vote (I am a whole party ). But the thread took a different course and it got buried.

Quote: " But hey, now you have been nominated be me!!"



So that being said if anyone isn't sure who to vote for, mind as well burn your vote and vote for swissolo. It gets me an underline and everything. So classy. You'd have to be a person of outstanding character to do a thing like that.

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Quote: "It gets me an underline and everything."
You so totally have my support now. Except I already voted...

Hang on, I will sponsor you in the voting thread with your signature for 24 hours.

Alright, there you go. Anyone else wanna be sponsored?

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Um, DJD, as humble as it may seem not to, listing VPs, yourself included, may be important to the voters so I really think you should. Besides, you need some exposure as a nASA member.

Be cool, vote nASA (nonZero's Awesomeness-Spreading Association), have more fun here. Be an uncool loser, vote someone else, have a boring forum.
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LOL -I never expected to ever see my name on an election ballot sheet.

To be clear and fair to all, The formal non-conformist party policy is to pass on its votes divided in such a way as to produce a tie for the lead. -Because here at the Formal non-conformist party, we are just dicks that way.

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Quote: "I never expected to ever see my name on an election ballot sheet."
I never expected that so many people would let me just create one and be in charge of it all.

nonZero, I shall list VPs tomorrow after I catch eh 10 or so hours shuteye.

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Quote: "Hang on, I will sponsor you in the voting thread with your signature for 24 hours.
"

such fame.

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Quote: "nASA officially agrees with both swissolo and Idicium since we are comitted to equality for all. When two opposing views exist, we support them both, existing in two simultaneous states. Vote for Schrodinger's nASA."


THIS is why I voted for you, nASA! Hahahahaha LOL

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You shall jolly well not! DJD64 = nZ's VP.


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I don't why, and I have nothing against Zach, but you saying that in support of my position made my day.
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Haha I just think you are nonZero would make the best rulers


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Rulers!!! I am honored indeed. I suppose I am looking to help lead the forum, not rule it.
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I am truly honoured, too.

[My sig is fixed, links work]
Copy-paste, "I vote for nonZero" into this thread to vote for me. If you don't then shame on you!
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Quote: "Rulers!!! I am honored indeed."

Quote: "I am truly honoured, too."


Haha I would happily have you as King and...err...not Queen, unless one of you is a girl...

Quote: "I suppose I am looking to help lead the forum, not rule it."


Ah yes, leaders is a better word. Fits better

@Easter Bunny:

For the record, the problem is P=NP, not N=NP.


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