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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 00:48
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Quote: "They had a lot of the world's oil so they could up its price.

They could also drown people in it/freeze it into really hard little balls and throw them at people."


Since there was an embargo and a "food for oil" program, the latter seems to be more likely.

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Quote: "They could also drown people in it/freeze it into really hard little balls and throw them at people"


lmao, that is one of the funniest things i have read at this forum!

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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 02:52 Edited at: 18th Dec 2003 02:54
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Quote: "Quote: "Well, where is the oil going (a serious question)? The Iraqis arnt getting a whole lot..."

they are SELLING it. so people (like you and me) can drive, heat our homes, etc. they dont need hardly any of it."


hmmm...that sounds about right...
Oh yeah, Did you know that George W Bush used to Own a major Oil company and He Currentlly has a lot of shares tied up with oil companies? It would make sence to take over a country, replace the evil leaders with "friendly" ones so that your favorite oil company has the right to drill...oh yeah, and the Iraqi people need oil just as much as you and I, but thier not getting a whole lot.


Quote: "Quote: "In conclusion, Yeah, we helped Iraq (and the world) get rid of a visuous tyrant, but they don't seem to appreciate it much...it could be just them, or it could be us..."

that explains the parties they are having in the streets..."


Just because they hate Saddam dosent mean that they Love us. In fact, it is rather shameful to be in the Iraqi police or military because they are considered to be tools of the U.S.. However, since the iraqis economy is sh*t right now, some have no choice but to join the service. Infact, I remember seeing on video an Iraqi officer saying that he would rather be shooting americans than helping them, but then they won't get paid.

Quote: "@TheAbomb12: where exactly are you from? do you mind telling me?"


I live in the US

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'i love you mouse!'

Why thank you .

Fallout: Good job.

'Infact, I remember seeing on video an Iraqi officer saying that he would rather be shooting americans than helping them, but then they won't get paid.'

Proving nothing. You get oddballs, conspiracy theorists, suicidal maniacs, etc in every community. The general opinion isn't terribly supportive of the USA, but if you ask your average Iraqi man or woman whether he or she is glad that the US stepped in and toppled Saddam, I have very little doubt they will answer with a yes.

And before someone says we should step out now-- frankly Iraq would fall apart without our support at this point. We could withdraw, leaving Iraq completely unaided, and the current fledgling government would probaly fall apart. Both our soldiers and Iraqi police and army are being killed day after day in Iraq by armed, suicidal supporters of the fallen regime-- and the terrorist organization Al Queda.

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i just want to say something before i go on:
I dont exactly support the war...but i do believe that it was important. And lastly, i want everyone to know, since im 'debating' against you, it doesnt mean i hate you...we're all family just wanted to make that clear, we're all entitled to our rights

now...
Quote: "Did you know that George W Bush used to Own a major Oil company and He Currentlly has a lot of shares tied up with oil companies"

no, i didnt know that.

Quote: "since the iraqis economy is **** right now"

so would ANY country, if they just lost a war and are reconstructing a whole new country.

Quote: "sh*t"

if you are going to cuss, just do it, we all know what you are trying to say, we all read it as a cuss word, so you might as well cuss (which i do not suggest).

Quote: "and the Iraqi people need oil just as much as you and I, but thier not getting a whole lot."


can i please see where you are getting all this information from?

oh yeah, one last thing. i take it you dont like bush much. so wouldve you rather had Al Gore the "Inverter of the Internet" be president? if so, i cant seem to understand why you would want a power thirsty, lier for president.

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'if you are going to cuss, just do it, we all know what you are trying to say, we all read it as a cuss word, so you might as well cuss (which i do not suggest).'

Uncensored version isn't allowed by the post filter-- er, I think.

I agree, Gore is awful... though not as nightmarishly bad as that brainless zombie Clinton. One of the points I have against Dean is that Gore supports him

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Quote: "Uncensored version isn't allowed by the post filter-- er, I think."


ah i see, i was just saying, if you still read a word the same way, it might you might as well swear.

Clinton...i hear a really easy way of telling if he is lieing...his mouth is moving. yeah im sure you all heard that before, but it is so true...lol, we used to have a screensaver that had a picture of bill's head, and everytime his mouth opens, his nose starts growing...kinda funny.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 03:42
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Quote: "Well, where is the oil going (a serious question)? The Iraqis arnt getting a whole lot."


During the start of the war the Iraqi's started lighting oil wells on fire.

The reason the Iraqi people don't like the US so much is because Saddam fed them propaganda much like Hitler did to his people. Saddam told the Iraqi's that the US weren't coming to help them and that they were trying to invade and take over. I don't know about you, but that's enough to make me want to hate another country.


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Yup... it's insane to say everybody involved in Hitler's forces and movement were evil, although he is probaly the best example of evil personified in history. He just had a lot of charisma and a disturbingly effective propaganda team...

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plus, they are not the richest country in the world, and (from what i've seen, i could be wrong) not everyone know exactly whats going on outside of the middle east even Iraq, due to lack of TV, Internet, etc.
and with the US all over the country, trying to build it back up, people there, probibly dont understand, that after a few years, we will give it up

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Quote: "oh yeah, one last thing. i take it you dont like bush much. so wouldve you rather had Al Gore the "Inverter of the Internet" be president? if so, i cant seem to understand why you would want a power thirsty, lier for president."


A power thirsty liar? hmm that sounds like bush
...and yes, I don't like bush very much. Mostly because he is a retard; he has the IQ of a cheeseburger. But you just got to love his "famous" quotes...

Quote: "America is going to have the best educated American's in the
world"


Quote: ""I don't want to just sit here blaming Congress. I mean, we're all in this together."
--President Bush, 11/20/91 to news anchor Bill Stuart of KCNC-TV, Denver.
"I think the Congress should be blamed."
--several minutes later, to Warner Saunders of WMAQ-TV, Chicago. "


Quote: "We won't be proven wrong. I believe that we will find the truth.
-- Apparently the truth has been lost and will be found again"


Quote: "The benefits of helping somebody is beneficial."


Quote: " I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well. "


Quote: "You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test. "


Quote: "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right."


Quote: "Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."


Quote: "I understand small business growth. I was one."


Man, these sure are funny. You know they created an Adjective for stupid statments, "bushism"

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Quote: "Man, these sure are funny"


i agree! lol, those are so feakin funny.

trust me, i dont think bush is the most brilliant man in the world. i actually dont like him that much. i actually decided i will not vote for him unless it comes down to it.

but none of those compare to Gore claiming he invented the internet. Hillery Clinton had a good one, she claims she was named after Sir Edmund Hillery, but consitering she wouldve been somewhere around the age of 8ish when he climbed Mt Everest...

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well, what difference does it make that gore says he invented the internet or that Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillery.

I hope your not basing your decisions on just that...

I would compare thier polices and see who holds viewspoints to follow closely to your own views.

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im not saying what they say changes my views on them. i dont like Gores ideas. i dont like Clintons (either of em) ideas. maybe it has to do with the fact that my parents are both strict republican.

holy crap, check out the topic change...
from Sadam was captured to My president is better than... type of thing.
hrm...

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Well the guy running for Prime Minister over here called our current PM an ass licker. Beat that.


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now that is great. i dont think i can beat that...

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you couldn't beat that with a deep-fat fried stick...

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...unless the deep-fat fried stick was running for president!


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A while back in a Govenror race in Montana a politian played an old 70's barber commerical that showed his rival shampoing some dude's head, it looked really, well, gay. The guy resigned from the race the next day saying that he could never make up the number of voters lost due to that old commerical.

Does publicly making sexual induendos about your rival with visual aid top the word "ass licker"?


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...I'd have to say we have a new champion...


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agreed

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'I don't want to just sit here blaming Congress. I mean, we're all in this together."
"I think the Congress should be blamed."

Nothing stupid about that. He didn't want to, but he did.

"We won't be proven wrong. I believe that we will find the truth.

Duh? Of course the truth is sometimes hidden.


Furthermore the majority of dumb Bush quotes are completely fabricated. People don't even bother to look for confirmation when it comes to politicans saying stupid things, so the more famous the politician, the more fake dumb quotes you get. On top of that, Bush has had a far, far greater number of public speakings and meetings in his term than most presidents, for obvious reasons; all presidents have at least a couple dumb quotes in their resume, and it's only to be expected you'll get more from someone who speaks more.

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true true...hey, i got the first post in the 4th page!

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Quote: "Furthermore the majority of dumb Bush quotes are completely fabricated. People don't even bother to look for confirmation"


thats not hispanically correct (I know that dosent make sense, but I wanted to use the word that Bush made up)


anyways, I listen to Bush and his rambles...I mean speeches and he still sounds like a retard. Im pretty sure you cant fabricate a video conference.

Quote: "On top of that, Bush has had a far, far greater number of public speakings and meetings in his term than most presidents"


Don't you think he would be good at it by now?

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'Don't you think he would be good at it by now?'

Some people aren't as good at public speaking as others. On top of that, I don't think his scriptwriter, whoever he is, is doing a brilliant job (but he still gets the point across well enough). No, he dosen't sound like a genius, but frankly with the slurred speech, native drawls and awful pronunciation that run rampant in the USA, that's no surprise...

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Quote: "No, he dosen't sound like a genius, but frankly with the slurred speech, native drawls and awful pronunciation that run rampant in the USA, that's no surprise..."


no, but you would expect better out of a politician, and esp. the president. If rhetoric is a politicians tool, he should be better at it than most people...

Im only glad that the United States dosent have a major rival like it did during the Cold War. Bush would be eaten alive...

I remember some time ago Saddam challenged Bush to a Debate (of course he declined), but im pretty sure that Bush couldn't win a debate against a middle or high school student...

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Quote: "Yeah. Right. We go in, dispose of a tyranical dictator who the entire country despises, help them set up a new government, and take the brunt of the casualties from extremist suicide attacks, and that's 'blowing up the country'. We haven't even taken a drop of oil, buddy. I don't know where you people get this crap from..."


I never said we did that there chief. But believe it or not, it will end up happening. I suppose I shouldn't have said take, it's rather we're going to make sure we get it for dirt cheap from them because we're occupying them.

And you think WE'VE taken most of the casualities? HA! You don't have a clue, I'm beginning to see why Europeans think Americans are so stupid: we automatically buy into all of the media's information even if not all of it is entirely true. Sure, there's been many suicide attacks, but how many people do you think WE'VE killed? Of those, how many INNOCENT people do you think we've killed - inadvertently or not?

Face it Mouse, the media isn't going to say "Hey guess what, we accidentally bombed an entire city block and killed a hundred civilians. Oh well", NO, they're going to make it look like absolutely everything we do is just. EVEN IF IT ISN'T. And if you don't think we've killed that many innocent people coming I suggest you look again.

In conclusion, stop making me look like an idiot when, although you're educated, you seem a little misled by this statistic.

*okay, calm down h*


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Oh and by the way I didn't take that quote of him telling Iraqis not to burn oil weels from anywhere except memory. I heard him say it on TV the night he announced that we were going to war.

BTW it isn't a war, it was a slaughtering. I know I'm going to get some great remarks to that, but I think I already know what they will be and am prepared to respond if necessary.


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go HZence

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lol @ TAB12 thanks


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'And you think WE'VE taken most of the casualities? HA! You don't have a clue, I'm beginning to see why Europeans think Americans are so stupid: we automatically buy into all of the media's information even if not all of it is entirely true. Sure, there's been many suicide attacks, but how many people do you think WE'VE killed? Of those, how many INNOCENT people do you think we've killed - inadvertently or not?'

Innocent people? As in people wielding guns, firing at our troops, in the enemy army? Yes, most of them were forced into it. A lot of our troops didn't want to have to fight either. People die in war. They killed a lot of us and we killed a lot of them. It's not nice. It never is. I fail to see how this makes Iraq a maligned, oppresed country, and the US the tyrants.

'Face it Mouse, the media isn't going to say "Hey guess what, we accidentally bombed an entire city block and killed a hundred civilians. Oh well"'

Uh, yeah, they DO say that. There are a vast quantity of online news sources that oppose the Bush administration and the war and dig up the tiniest scrap to shoot flak at it. I read from both sides.

'NO, they're going to make it look like absolutely everything we do is just. EVEN IF IT ISN'T.'

That's an incredibly foolish thing to say, because no major (nor sane) news source is doing that.

'And if you don't think we've killed that many innocent people coming I suggest you look again.'

That many being what? You aren't making any point except 'we've killed people'. Yup. So have they. Welcome to the world, and no, it's not pretty.

'In conclusion, stop making me look like an idiot when, although you're educated, you seem a little misled by this statistic.'

Amusing when you haven't cited a single source.

I rest my case...

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Yeah quoting people pisses people off. I know cuz you pissed me off so I won't do it. But you know, you haven't cited a single source either so I wouldn't talk.

And you're reference to innocent people being people that fire at us is ignorant. I'm talking about REAL innocent people, people that did nothing to us and don't bother us. They die to. And I had a feeling that would be a defense of someone.

As far as their being a vast quantity of online news sources citing info against bush. Don't hold me to this but I believe the majority of people refer to the paper or TV for their news, not the internet. not only that, a lot of these sites your talking about are sites made by groups or people that despise bush. if you call this news, that's fine.

okay, i just gotta quote this.

Quote: "You aren't making any point except 'we've killed people'"


Well, if you look at it that way, that's fine. But actually the point I was trying to get across was that we haven't just killed people, we've killed INNOCENT people.

basically what it comes down to is we disagree. there's no way around it.


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Here's an interesting tidbit...

They say they identified Saddam through DNA analysis.

Where would they get a tissue sample of him from? We sort of blew his palace to smithereens...

UN regulation, perhaps? Or something shadier? Or am I missing something obvious .

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That's a good question, but they also said that he had 20 some identifiable marks all over his body and they confirmed every one.

they said.


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Quote: "Well, if you look at it that way, that's fine. But actually the point I was trying to get across was that we haven't just killed people, we've killed INNOCENT people."


yeah, and so has Iraq, but yet, if we kill 'innocent' people, it would be ancident, and they were NOT tortured. Sadam and his 'innocent' people have tortured a lot more people than we have. garenteed.

Quote: "BTW it isn't a war, it was a slaughtering"


thats the 2nd stupidest thing i've heard in this thread.

Quote: " Oh and by the way I didn't take that quote of him telling Iraqis not to burn oil weels from anywhere except memory"


yes, we know he said that. Iraq is one of the major countries of oil. The Iraqies war was, torture/rape/kill/burn oil/suicide bombing. thats all it is. they cant fight face to face like troops, they fight like the terrorists they are.

Quote: "In conclusion, stop making me look like an idiot when, although you're educated, you seem a little misled by this statistic."

Quote: "But you know, you haven't cited a single source either so I wouldn't talk."


but when was the last time we said anything about statistics? didnt think so. when you "quote" the "statistics", you have to tell us where you got them. remember, "over 50% of all statistics are made up", i just love that quote, just the way it contradics itself. but its true, i could easly say, "95% of the people in the world are homosexuals" but it would mean nothing to you unless it came from a RELIABLE SOURCE! thats what mouse was saying about you not posting sources. you say statisic, we say source.

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Quote: "They say they identified Saddam through DNA analysis.

Where would they get a tissue sample of him from?"


It's incredibly easy to get someone's DNA, Saddam was popular, they could've found a strand of hair or anything.


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'Quote: "BTW it isn't a war, it was a slaughtering"

thats the 2nd stupidest thing i've heard in this thread.'

Absolutely agreed. Possibly the most stupid thing. I'm not sure I even want to read your #1 .

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Quote: "thats the 2nd stupidest thing i've heard in this thread."


i feel special

Quote: "but when was the last time we said anything about statistics? didnt think so."


well, from my dear mouse:

Quote: "Amusing when you haven't cited a single source."


read the thread please.


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Quote: "Absolutely agreed. Possibly the most stupid thing. I'm not sure I even want to read your #1"


well you seem a little misled by this statistic. j/k, i dont think you do either

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@Mouse&Darwin: I'm not getting into a fight with you guys.


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Quite alright with me. I'm just spreading the truth .

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*sigh*

Like I said, basically what it comes down to is that we disagree. You're version of the truth and my version of the truth are totally different. I guess I'm just trying to be as open minded as possible, which really means my opinion could change at any time. In any case we both believe we know the truth, and we both continue to believe it. We really won't be able to convince each other otherwise.

Like I say...the only truth is that human beings cannot comprehend truth...


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'Like I say...the only truth is that human beings cannot comprehend truth...'

I disagree. The only truth is that truth is dished out in percentages among 6 billion people . That's my truth of the opinion of the truth-- and it is my opinion that I believe it to be truer than your truth of opinion. Whatever

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Quote: "Whatever"


i needn't say anything


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ok, if you guys are looking for the truth...lets seperate opinion from fact...

*Iraq has lots of Oil
*Civilians where killed (and are still being killed)
*Iraqi Troops where Killed
*Coalition Troops where killed
*We Havent found any Weapons of Mass destruction, biological weapons, or any other weapons that violate UN weapon agreements
*we are still looking for plausible connections between Saddam and Al-queda type groups...

tell me If you can agree with all those facts

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OK.
Let's just all calm down and post some of the stupid things Bush has said. Only post ones that he really said.

1 - "The trouble with the French is they have no word for entrepeneur"

2 - "America is the most scientfically advanced country in the world: we discovered DNA and the structure of the atom"

Actually, he's right there, but he meant to say "Britain".

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LMBAO!!

entrepeneur is a french word!!

LOL!
ROFL!
LMAO!
LMFAO!





yeah....

in layman's terms please....
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^---- I meant LMFAO!!

in layman's terms please....
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ABomb, you've been sadly misled by the media and public opinion...

'*Civilians where killed (and are still being killed)
*Iraqi Troops where Killed
*Coalition Troops where killed'


First of all, it's were, not where.

Second of all, no bloody crap. They were shooting at us under threat of death from Saddam. He forced them to fight us to protect himself. We had no choise but to kill the people who were shooting at us. It's called war-- grow up, it dosen't make everyone murderers. And want to know an interesting fact? This war has had the least casualties of any war its scale in recorded history.

We are not killing civialians for torture, to gain information, or just for fun-- all of which Saddam's regime regulary did. In a place where terrorist suicide attacks are common, civilians are caught in the crossfire. It's not nice, but it happens. Know something else? Far more civilians are dying from attacks by Al Queda's suicide bombers than they are from gunfire. Let alone US gunfire.

'*We Havent found any Weapons of Mass destruction, biological weapons, or any other weapons that violate UN weapon agreements'

Completely wrong. Saddam was in violation of the UN weapon agreements long before we moved in. The US brought this up as a problem after 9/11. The UN agreed that if he didn't do something about it, they would take action. He didn't, and they failed to take action. We did.

'*we are still looking for plausible connections between Saddam and Al-queda type groups...'

What do you think we might find, 'Friends Forever: Saddam & Osama' bracelets? Al Queda had training groups that have been found in Iraq, terrorist training organizations that brainwashed innocent Iraqis and turned them into killing machines. Saddam knew of these places and he did nothing about them. He didn't even try.

Now here are some interesting facts for you:

Coalition Forces are giving food, medical supplies, and further humanitarian aid to Iraqi citizens that they never could have dreamed of recieving under Saddam's regime.

Saddam's regime was probaly the most brutal government in modern times. It was a place where anyone who spoke against the government was killed, often their death made a public display; where women were forced to take the roles of inferiors and slaves and arrested (to be raped and later killed) if they didn't.

Want more information on this horrible subject? Look here:

http://www.state.gov/g/wi/rls/18877.htm

http://usresolve.org/saddam-husseins-atrocities.php

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/3291/index1.html

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Quote: "no bloody crap. They were shooting at us under threat of death from Saddam"


I would like for you to prove that statement. Unless you heard saddam say it himself there really is no evidence of that other then what the media perdicted Saddam was going to do... either way its opinion...please facts only...

Quote: "It's called war-- grow up, it dosen't make everyone murderers."


you know whats funny? I never said that they were murderers, you just automaticlly assumed that was the direction I was taking. I was providing facts not opinion.

Quote: "Saddam's regime was probaly the most brutal government in modern times. It was a place where anyone who spoke against the government was killed, often their death made a public display; where women were forced to take the roles of inferiors and slaves and arrested (to be raped and later killed) if they didn't."


that first part is opinion...the latter part might be true...

Quote: "Completely wrong. Saddam was in violation of the UN weapon agreements long before we moved in."


where are they? Lets just say saddam didnt remove all his WMD, can you give me a place where his WMD are? Im pretty sure Iraq had biological weapons, but they sure as hell arnt there now, which might mean that he got rid of them...which would then mean that he was complying with the UN...but lets not go there we are getting into opinion now, and opinion is completly subjective...

Quote: "ABomb, you've been sadly misled by the media and public opinion..."


Hmm...no, not really. What media would you be refering to? Cause the one I see praises the war...

and finally...I was trying to seperate fact from opinion, but you insist on putting statements that are rather biased...Ill try this again....

*iraq has oil
*saddam killed people
*coalition didnt have full UN backing of war
*civilians were killed
*iraqi troops were killed
*coalition troops were killed
*after taking control of iraq for quite awhile, the coalition has yet to find any WMD.
*there were a low number of causalties for the coalition troops
*there are pro-saddam or anti-american/western enthusiasts attacking targets in iraq
*coalition troops are trying to provide aid to civilians

do you agree with these? Im trying to remove all the opinion. Please don't respond saying "Saddam was a Bad guy" or "Bush is the best", cause thats opinion. Id rather you say "Saddam had people tortured".

In conclusion, please facts only. Opinion is only going to make us argue things, but you can't debate over facts...

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