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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 20:32
A cross between The Matrix & 1984... Very fine film...


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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 20:37
Damn straight, that movie was GOOD!


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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 20:43
Quote: "A cross between"


read : Rip-off

Still, pretty good nonetheless.

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The end battle was good. Its more optimistic than 1984 and probably more thought provoking than The Matrix.


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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 21:16
The fights were cool.
I liked the one in the carpark with that puppy.

Its a bit stupid though, i don't thik the world would ever get like that, I think seeking out good feelings are the only thing that drives us.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 21:28
But good feelings are also the source of bad feelings...

Quote: "i don't thik the world would ever get like that"

Hope not - unfortunately with technology its entirely possible (probably would end up more like 1984 though)


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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 21:29
I seen the movie! I was going to rent it again. I think the matrix
took some style from them on there new movie!
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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 21:32
Possibly. Shame there wont be a sequel...


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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 01:17
Thought I was going back 2 years on this forum then (Traci?).

Good film though. Most goodness.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 05:39
I heard it was a made-for-TV movie


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It's pretty good, nice concept and decent effects, but it was a little too 'cheesy' in places. Pretty good though.

Arrow: It wasn't a made for TV movie, it was produced by a hollywood studio (not sure which).

There won't be a sequel though, as I remember reading that it cost them 35 million be make, and only took 1.5 million world wide on it's release .

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 10:06
The film was not given a wide release because it had already run into profit as a result of overseas sales, and Miramax didn't want to risk turning a money maker into a loss.


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Its budget was $20000000, which isn't that much for a hollywood action film.

It only grossed about $5000000, but it did seal the lead role in the new Batman film for Christian Bale.

I grossed about the same in the UK as USA (probably because it came out just before Matrix Reloaded)

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You grossed did you ? What did you do ???


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Ahhhhhhh!!!!
I do that the whole time.
/\ That one was meant to be 'I' and not 'It'

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 13:15
Of course...
Shame you didn't come to the Convention - then we could have seen how gross you can be

Speaking of which, whatever happened to UK Convention:The Film ?


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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 19:11
As soon as I heard Christian Bale(American Psycho) was in it, I watched it with some ppl. Damn good movie. The fight scenes were better than I expected. Anyone know who did the coreography?
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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 21:18
Welsh boy done good (once again ). Plays a damn fine evil looking bugger too like.

See, welshboys can do evilesque roles as good as english pigs anyday of the week

And for my 2p worth, it was better than Matrix 2. But not as good as The Matrix.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 22:50
I think it was slightly inferior to The Matrix series (only slightly mind) - the special effects were a bit dodgy at times and a bit more action would have been nice


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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 22:57 Edited at: 15th Dec 2003 23:03
I think it way a long way short of the Matrix

The Matrix was a completely original and startling idea, masterfully executed.

Equilibrium was a 1984 rip off with a whole lot of style but not much else.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 23:01
Certainly nothing wrong with having an alternative take on 1984.


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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 23:05
Suppose so...
but surely that deserves less praise than an original idea that is also better.

I'm sure the idea of the Matrix will be ripped off loads.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 23:07
As I haven't seen the original yet, I cant comment.
Haven't seen the Matrix being ripped off yet...


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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 00:14 Edited at: 16th Dec 2003 00:15
A little bit interesting...
http://www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/interrogationfaq.htm


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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 00:45
I think it was excellent. Obviously somewhat inspired by 1984; I don't think the Matrix had much to do with it though. Personally I liked the presentation far better than that of 1984 or Matrix. And the acting was pretty much flawless in all the lead roles.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 22:28
Yep an excellent film, I bought the dvd.
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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 23:42
I'm waiting for 1984 to be released next year. Read the first chapter of the book, and hopefully when I have time, I'll print out the rest to read...


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I thought you meant the game...
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A game called 1984 ?


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Am I the only person who thought it was very average? The vast quantity of bullet hole effects was cool, but I found the whole emotion thing quite laughable. The idea was good, but seeing as everyone who was supposed to be emotionless were shouting and grimacing and clearly getting pissed off, it made me feel like it was flawed.

Don't get me wrong - it wasnt crap. I was entertained. I just saw it as a bit of a farce because of the way the script went against the whole "non-emotion" thing. Good for the action, photography and general idea/feel, but badly executed.

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The reason some were shouting etc is because they were probably weren't taking their drugs - a case of take your drugs, but I wont 'cos I'm the boss.


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Must admit, my memory is a little hazy, cos it was about 6 months a go I watched it, but I distrinctly remember the new partner of the main star happily taking his drugs, then over reacting in an emotional way when he started getting suspicious of the main geeza.

Arrghh. Doesnt matter. Hard to pull off a film like that and make it interesting anyway. They probably had to take some liberties with the emotion thing else it wouldn't have worked.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 00:07 Edited at: 18th Dec 2003 00:09
The chap said he might have his dose adjusted - we never actually saw him take any.
We did see Partridge take his though.

Very fine film.


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No, its not really very good.

It doesn't do anything badly, really, it just doesn't have any amazing direction or cinematography to make it a "very fine film". Then again, it doesn't try to.

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The new parter of the MC-- the bad guy-- I forget his name, but anyways; he seemed to act in an emotional way, but it's important to remember that if he's suspecting, he'll want to act in a way that will catch the MC off guard. Whether or not you're feeling high emotions, you'll always want to play for the audience.

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Of course, when you think about it, "want" is an emotion as well.

We all want things we don't need. Surely wanting is an emotion if you don't really need it.

Not contesting your argument mouse. Just raising another point.

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'want" is an emotion as well. '

No, it's not... simple AI can discover what it needs and move to acquire it. No emotion involved. A very complex system like that can be generated without even moving to SNN.

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A desire to want something, if controlled could lead to emotion.


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It could be seen that way, but wanting something comes from beliving you need it, and in essense, your body makes you want to need that thing when it realizes it needs to need it, in other words making you feel emotional about wanting it. Right?

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Only if the desire cant be replaced with the knowledge that the wanted item is not an absolute necessity or where it exactly matches everything else. Ie if all food looked and tastest exactly the same, whilst you would need to eat, you would have no desire to seek preference of one item over another.


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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 20:01
Possibly, but it all trails down to your brain's internal processing of what's good and what isn't so good... we can't really scientifically define 'emotion'

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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 23:55 Edited at: 18th Dec 2003 23:56
True, but you can control aspects of it...


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i just watched the movie yesterday. great movie

i feel it has a little bit of gameplay if converted into a game

like you become one of the cleric's and go out to hunt "free" people

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Would be good


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Rubarb mouse!

I have a remote control for me TV. I don't need this http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ProductDetails.aspx?language=en-GB&product=KAMREM&category=elec but I still want it. There is no necessity involved.

I'm currently learning the TopRock (easiest breakdancing move in the whole world). You can't tell me there is any necessity there! That's about the most illogical thing in the world. Can't imagine any AI processing it's pathfinding algorithms and coming to the conclusion it's going to learn how to toprock.

I think want = desire. Desire is an emotion. You can break down every emotion into components that aren't emotions. For example, you could say "happiness" is not an emotion - it's simply a state of well-being - knowing that everything is satisfactory in your life and there are no problems to solve. But on an abstract level, happiness is an emotion, as is sadness, as is jealousy, as is desire and want is exactly the same as desire.

Need and want, however, are totally different. If simple AI will go and do something because it needs to do it, then fair enough. Simple AI wont go and do something on a whim because it kinda seems like a good idea, but there's no logic behind it. That's want.

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'I don't need this http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ProductDetails.aspx?language=en-GB&product=KAMREM&category=elec but I still want it. There is no necessity involved.'

Nopers. Your body needs happiness to have a will to survive. You know that, so you try to bring yourself happiness. In other words, indulging yourself. It all traces back to survival instincts and basic functions ...

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Just Bought Equilibrium! Haven't watched it yet!

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Shame on you...


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