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DarkBASIC Discussion / Version 1.13 has the enhancment pack?

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Major Payn
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I was looking into buying the enhancment pack and saw that it said "this enhancment pack will update darkbasic to version 1.13". I upgraded to version 1.13 via the free patch so does that mean I have all those features? If so dark basic should remove the enhancement pack from their site because they have it free!

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If you update DarkBasic to the latest version, you get a 30-day trail of the enhancement pack, after 30 days the commands will not work anymore


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That sucks! I dont think I have had dark basic for 30 days yet.

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Lol! Why does everyone want everything for free! Thats not how economics work!


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Quote: "Why does everyone want everything for free!"

because we are all jobless losers who think that $5 is a lot of money.

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Because not all of us have the funds to buy alot of stuff and if I buy a piece of software I dont want to have to pay every time for an add on. I mean come on! this is a proggraming language dark basic sells you a program then a month later they come out and say they just added some cool code but the catch is that you gotta pay for it! Look I am ok with paying for stuff but not when I think it is overpriced I shouldnt have to pay $20 for a patch.

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@Major Payn;
Mate, Shut Up.

Over the past couple of days, all you've done is complain on this board. Now, give it a rest.

I, personally, am sick of hearing d*ck heads like you complain about things that are either, 1. Not relevant to anything at all, or 2. quite easy to fix ( when referring to codeing ). And you, my friend, have just about worn out my patience...

Stop complaining about things.
Accept that you have to pay $20 for the enhancement pack.
If you have a problem with code, ask for some help. DO NOT post and say "This damn thing doesn't work, show me how to do it!" ( or anything along thos lines )
Be polite ( I know, that's a bit hypocritical of me atm but, I'm trying to get a point across ).

Sorry to anyone offended by this post.
Apologies to those that this post may reflect, but this is how I feel, and I'm getting it off of my chest.

Thanks.


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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 09:02 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 09:04
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@jessticular: good onya mate!

@darwin: and if we aren't jobless losers who think 5 bucks is alot of money then we are teenage kids who have to wait until Xmas or our Bdays for some moolah because we are to lazy to do chores to get some pocket money,like me.

p.s i do agree with major payn that things are a bit over priced here, but i am just an 11 year old kid who thinks 5$ is alot of money!
thanks for listening to my pointless rant

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Quote: "because we are to lazy to do chores to get some pocket money"

and i thought i was lazy....i do chores CONSTANTLY how much money do i get? NADA, zip, zilch, ZERO
*mumbles something about lazy good for nothings*

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Quote: "if I buy a piece of software I dont want to have to pay every time for an add on."


Then code without it. Given your recent selection of posts I'd say that not much of the Enhancement Pack is any use to your current level of coding ability anyway.

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Quote: "if I buy a piece of software I dont want to have to pay every time for an add on."

have you ever bought a game, then they releace a Explansion? think of it the same way

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@jessticular

I find that very offensive And up until now I actually thought you were cool. But after that I think you are the d*ck head! And after you come on flaming and stuff I think you are the complainer!

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Well all of you who don't want to shell out the $20 and think $99 is alot for DBP then I suggest you look at some other coding software thats out there and see if you can find some thats this easy and powerful for ONLY $99. Good luck with that.

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I dont think it is alot I just dont have that cash. Jessticular obviously does not understand that.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 20:03 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 20:04
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I know this is gonna really sound stupid after all that...

Enhancement pack? I assume you mean the thingy! in darkmatter.

I've recently downloaded a patch to upgrade my version to 1.13 as the patch on the darkmatter CD I got didn't seem to work properly does this mean 30 days after I installed it, it will stop working?

Does this mean there is a further enhancement on Dmatter 2?

Could anyone explain this to me..I'm totaly confused now.

>>EDITED<<

Oh yeah I reccently last couple of months bought DB with Darkmatter in a bundle pack should this be a problem?

I've just checked my DarkMatter only enhances to V1.1 so how am I supposed to get to a working 1.13 without downloading the 30 day patch?

Maybe my Darkmatter did install properly?

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you can find the enhancement pack on the dark basic page under the products. The pach to v1.13 is free but suposidly it works for 30 days then you have to buy the enhancement pack.

also
Do yall think I am a d*ck head? I think I have been very nice on this forum sayin thank you and answering what I can, how can jessticular call me a d*ck head?

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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:15 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 22:18
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Srry not getting into that one..

As far as I'm concerned any name calling that 'anyone' needs to do should be taken to the other forum the one for any other business.

I think that any further expletives.. partly hashed or not will probably end up at some point on getting this forum closed or restricted as I doubt whoever hosts it will want to continually keep check.

I myself don't want to see this forum closed and therefor would like everyone to just quit this bickering now.. I don't even want to see sorrys from anyone just let it drop.

and now back to the post..

<<edited>>
If anyone else would like to make a complaint about the costs please also post it in the any other forum. (mainly so I can ignore it, I know how it is I was there a couple years back!)

I'd just like to know about the enhancement pack (darkmatter) and the updates and time spans and so forth. Please lets just keep this post to the one topic.

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Quote: "I find that very offensive And up until now I actually thought you were cool. But after that I think you are the d*ck head! And after you come on flaming and stuff I think you are the complainer"


Quote: "Jessticular obviously does not understand that."


obviously you dont understand that he doesnt only mean YOU, he's talking about all the newbies who are posting crap and complaining

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although it WAS mainly directed at him and I agree with Jessticular

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so much for staying on the post topic.

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Why does everybody hate me! jeez I come here looking for help because I am new to this stuff and now yall are agreeing with jessticular when his comment was obviously uncalled for.

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Point 1)
You do not have to have the enhancement pack to program in DarkBasic (Classic). If it were required to program then you would have a valid argument about the cost. You have a choice if you want to buy it or not and I am going through that right now. I intend to buy DB Pro (from Compusa) but I want the ability to use DLL's. That is a quandry but not a killer problem.

Point 2)
Twenty dollars is a lot of money even if you work a full time job. That is why my point one issue bothers me so. But as a programmer who does this for income. Should they just give it away. That is thier decision to make. I think it is worth it and I only want to move up to Pro because I want to work towards a simple racing game. So I guess it would be for speed.

Point 3)
JessTicular is among the most helpful persons on this forum for new users concerning DarkBasic. I was suprised to see his reply phrased that way. It is easy to get frustrated so lets try to ease the tension and try to be civil.

This post is out of control and is not doing anyone any good. The facts are simple. Buy it or don't buy it. It is not required to make games with Dark Basic Classic but it does make it easier. The Enhancement pack is expensive but at least they provided a way to get it without buying Dark Matter 1 which would have been really expensive. Only you can decide if it is worth the price.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2004 06:27 Edited at: 6th Jan 2004 06:31
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Quote: "Darwin:
have you ever bought a game, then they releace a Explansion? think of it the same way"


Yes, that is a good way of thinking about the enhancement pack.


Quote: "Naval Gunz:
...I suggest you look at some other coding software thats out there and see if you can find some thats this easy and powerful for ONLY $99"


Indeed. ALthough, there are alot of free compilers out there for languages such as C, etc. But that is alot more advanced stuff ( I know cos I use C too ).


Quote: "Major Payn:
I dont think it is alot I just dont have that cash. Jessticular obviously does not understand that"


I undertand that fully. I, myself, am not very limited on cash atm as I work ALOT, but, there was a time when i couldn't spare a dime, and I also couldn't afford the cost of software packages such as DarkBasic etc.


@Penfold, I believe that your problem in relation to the Enhancement pack is due to not updating first.
You say that you got Darkmatter with DBC as a bundle, then that means you also got the Enhancement pack with DarkMatter.
Try downloadding the 1.13 patch from this site, upgrade DBC to 1.13 , then apply the patch that comes with DarkMatter.
That should give you the enhancement pack.


Quote: "Penfold:
...just let it drop"


After this post, done.


Quote: "Darwin:
he doesnt only mean YOU, he's talking about all the newbies who are posting crap and complaining

Mattman:
it WAS mainly directed at him"


You are both right.


Quote: "Major Payn:
Why does everybody hate me! jeez I come here looking for help because I am new to this stuff"


Mate, noone hate's you. I only got annoyed because you weren't being very polite or friendly when you asked your questions and made your posts ( I know that I also was impolite in this post, and for that, I am sorry ).

I am very willing to help people out on this forum, That is how i spend most of my nights, giveing pointers, suggestions, and code to those that require them.
But, I do not want to be greeted with a post that is demanding me for code.
Sure, if you need it badly, say so, but don't try to rush us to get you the code, and don't expect wonders from us either. None of us know everything, and none of us can give you all the answers, we are all still learning in some way or another.

Be polite in your posts, set them out to make it easier for us to read, and take your time, and if you're in a rush to post, say so, it makes us able to understand your situation a bit better.

All-in-all I am willing to share my knowledge with any and all that ask for it, I don't hold bias, or grudges, so, in the future, if you ask for help, I will give it, but I won't give you any if you keep posting the way you are now.

And i am not only directing all this at you, Major Payne, When Axelman first came to these boards, he was much like you, and I told him off too, and since then, everythign has been fine, no grudges, no more frustration for anyone.

This is just how I feel about all this. This is a community, and in communities, people have to work together without bias. But, for a community to work together, we all must do our part.


Quote: "DBoy780:
JessTicular is among the most helpful persons on this forum for new users concerning DarkBasic."


Thanks Mate.


@Everyone: Sorry about the long post, I just had to explain myself a bit better.


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You know, this topic could have been handled better....

DB113 is not the enhancement pack from DM1.

DB113 adds multiplayer commands to DBC and fixes many bugs.

Enhanced from DM1 adds memblocks and DLL functions. (and other fluff)
The enhancement is included as a demo with the 113 patch.

I don't have the enhancment pack .... yet. Got DBPro for when
I wish to use memblocks or .dll stuff. I switch between DB113
and DBPro depending on "needs".

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@ major payn: you really should listen to jess, i was a really big pain in arse and i'm sure i probably still am sometimes

@jessticular: thanks for using me as an example jess, especially an irritating one, if ya know what i mean,lol

@penfold: dm1 is a enhancement pack for darkbasic classic and dm2 is an enhancement pack for dark basic pro (i think). i'm just trying to tell you this if you don't understand waffles explanation.

@waffle: i agree that this post could have been handled better

p.s i wonder if there has been any tears over this post?

well, cya i Guess

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Quote: "thanks for using me as an example jess, especially an irritating one, if ya know what i mean"


lol, sorry mate, you're the only person i could think of at the time.

Quote: "dm1 is a enhancement pack for darkbasic classic and dm2 is an enhancement pack for dark basic pro (i think)"


Not quite.

DarkMatter1 contains a whole bunch of models and i think possibly textures and sounds too ( not sure on that one cos i have the downloadable enhancement pack ). As a bonus, TGC decided to put in DM1 an "upgrade" to DBC, and it was dubbed the Enhancement Pack.

DarkMatter2 simply contains models and textures etc. But, this time, no enhancements/upgrades at all.

And the DBPro upgrades are all free ( if you already own DBPro that is ), so if they charged people for an upgrade in DM2, then released it free aswell, not many people would buy DM2 ( unless all they wanted were the models etc ).

Hope That clears it up for everyone.


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okay thanks jess, you corrected me once again.

p.s how long have you been using darkbasic?
there are probably a whole lot of idiot newbies(who are probably masters know) that you've helped out over the years (if youve been using darkbasic for years)

anyways i'll Cya later mate.

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Quote: "how long have you been using darkbasic?"


Not as long as you might think in fact.

I first got a hold of the demo of DarkBasic Classic about 3, mabey 3 and a half years back.

I used it for about, i don't know, maybe 5 weeks, got bored, and left it.

Then, about 15 or 16 weeks ago ( 3 years later ), I dug it out of the depths of my back-ups and found the latest patch, and applied it, then got the enhancement pack, then, when the alienware comp started, i got DBPro, loved it and got it for Xmas.

So, to answer your question, about 4 months.

Not very long eh?

But, now i know almost all the commands in DBC, and a fair few of the ones in DBPro, and I am moving up to C soon to start trying to make my own games without the BASIC language.


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hey man you could probably get a job in some game company if you learnt c or c++. man, theres ALOT OF MONEY in that industry, then you wouldn't be a jobless loser who thinks 5$ is alot of money!

cya mate

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hey jess i was wondering if you entered in the alienware comp? i didn't because i only got darkbasic late this year and i got the beginners guide to darkbasic book for Xmas to try and help me understand it better and i think i'll be able to make a 2d game soon (my first game) anyways i was just wondering if you have made a game for the alienware competition because it would probably be a great game. iu was also wondering how long it took you to make your first Game?
i think we should stop posting on this thread also and go to general talk if you want to chat.
Cya

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Check the General forum.


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@ Jessticular will overlay the 1.1 from DMatter to the downloaded 1.13 version hopefully this won't backtrack me to V1.1 thx for your help. I don't think I would have ever tried overlaying the older version.

much appreciatted ta.

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I am sorry If I am annoying I never meen to be I just post quick questions because I am really bad at this Up until now I have never programed before and I am really lost so Sorry to everyone who has to put up with my constant posts. I just realized that about a quarter of the posts are mine

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There is nothing wrong with having alot of post. Especially if they are insightful questions. I enjoy reading all the post here and am suprised with some of the good questions that have been asked that I never thought of (yet).

I guess that asking in a pleasant manner means more than asking a great question. I just wish it was easier to search the forums. No one wants to answer the same question over and over, but if you are unsure of the terminology, it can be difficult to search for the answers. What we have is a catch-22.

Don't stop asking questions. There is almost always someone (like JT) that will help eventually if they can.

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Quote: "There is nothing wrong with having alot of post."


I agree totally.


Quote: "I guess that asking in a pleasant manner means more than asking a great question."


Alas, it is true.


Quote: "Don't stop asking questions."


If you stop asking questions, you'll never learn, will you? So, ask away, anything from "What does Screen FPS() mean?" to "How do I do vertex manipulation?". But the quality of the question is what counts. If it is easy to understand ( the question that is ), it is easier to answer, If you give a code example, we can either expand upon it, or modify it to what you need. We are here to help. Otherwise, we would be asking the questions rather than answering them.


Quote: "There is almost always someone (like JT) that will help eventually..."


Again, thanks man.


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