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Killswitch
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Does anyone know any good paradox's apart from the egg/chicken one, as it's soo obivous that its the egg as dinosours laied them way before the chicken came about...Yes..Well..

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The Cretin who said: "All Cretin's are liars." - classic

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no comment on the dinosaur to chicken-egg thingy. I'm just gonna leave it alone for now.

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Killswitch
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Ah my name is getting closer to being spelled correctly! *cheers*

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Using an apostrophe to pluralise something and being grammatically correct is a paradox unless I'm mistaken.
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Lord Ozzum
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This statement is false.

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KillSwitch, I won't spell it correctly until you call 'paradox's' by their proper name, paradoxes

The all-time classic paradox is the man going back in time and inadvetantly killing his own father; thus he never existed, thus he didn't kill his father, thus he did exist and did kill his father... etc. One of the many impossibilities of standard doctrine time travel (and the reason new 'rules' are good).

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KillsWitch, i hate fuzzy things! Prepare to..........melt into...........chicken.......

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Posted: 16th Feb 2004 08:11 Edited at: 16th Feb 2004 22:25
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"I always lie"

"Begin at the beginning, and go on till you come to the end: then stop." - Lewis Carroll
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@Mr X

Wow just by making the W bigger I sound like a witch hunter.

@Everyone

I brought the name spelling thing upon myself, didn't I?

Sorry about spelling paradoxes wrong, spelling has never been my strong point.

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I know that I know nothing
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Posted: 16th Feb 2004 22:14 Edited at: 16th Feb 2004 22:14
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Quote: "I know that I know nothing "


May just be a lie

Quote: "I am dead"


May just be a lie

They aren't true paradoxes for those reasons. 'This statement is a lie' is a paradox because it keeps looping around whether it is a lie or it is truthful.

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it doesn't keep looping? if its the truth then its the truth and that statement can't be a lie... or am i confused?


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Paradoxes are not about loops, they're about logical impossibilities.
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Posted: 16th Feb 2004 23:05 Edited at: 16th Feb 2004 23:06
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I believe a paradox is a statement that appears to be true and to be false at same time.

"I know I know nothing" - this, I believe, is an example of a paradox. But then again, because I've already said that "I know nothing" perhaps my whole post is a paradox

I'm gonna go to Google now and search "Paradox Defination"
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http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=paradox&x=0&y=0

Quote: "One entry found for paradox.
Main Entry: par·a·dox
Pronunciation: 'par-&-"däks
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin paradoxum, from Greek paradoxon, from neuter of paradoxos contrary to expectation, from para- + dokein to think, seem -- more at DECENT
1 : a tenet contrary to received opinion
2 a : a statement that is seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is perhaps true b : a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true c : an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises
3 : one that possesses seemingly contradictory qualities or phases"



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I'm an atheist for God's sake.


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The following statement is true:
The previous statement is false.


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Douglass
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oh crap, now that sthe ultimate paradox!! where did you get that from?


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Star Trek


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im a fan which episode?


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The paradox about the man going back in time to kill his father is false- Because if you accept that the man went back in time you accept the fact there are parralel worlds spaced out 1unittime/sppacetime apart and the fact that the world he came from keeps moving(obviously) - his going back in time does not stop his original world and his arrival back in time has to be in a diffirent place. The fact that he kills his father will shape history in the world he visited ONLY and not the world he came from, because otherwise you would accept that time from the world he visited zapped foward faster than time (time going faster than time is impossible) and affected all the parralel worlds in front of it incuding his original world-it is not a paradox and is possible- sorry to bore you with the essay, if you need more clarification post an Ill spend 3 hours writing it out
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paradox- a dictionary with spelling mistakes
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AnDrEy: Did you take improbable math?

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Whats improbable math? (no seriously I don't even know what improbable math is we're doing sin/cos/tan graphs in school)
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Quote: "Because if you accept that the man went back in time you accept the fact there are parralel worlds spaced out 1unittime/sppacetime apart"


No.

Quote: ""I know I know nothing" - this, I believe, is an example of a paradox."


It's not, because if it is a lie, then he does not know that he knows nothing, just like everyone else in the world.

"This statement is a lie" is different. Because if it is a lie, then it is not a lie and thus is the truth, and if it is the truth then it is a lie. A loop and a logical impossiblity. Unlike almost all the other examples here

Edit-- I do admit that the time 'paradox' I mentioned does take for granted you buy into a certain theory of time travel. Nevertheless it's fun to think about.

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Hypercube, 4th dimension, tesseract, stuff like that

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By the way, there are no units of time or space/time. I know you were taught that in physics class, but I side with the young genius who has recently made several arguments that there are no units of time.

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hey, what about mine?! Mine works!

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4th dimension isn't improbable math. Buy 'flatterland' and read it. Geometricly there are infinite dimensions, even fractional dimensions and the like.

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Yes, yours was a variation of the one I mentioned .

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in improbable math class is where you find stuff like the 4th dimension of time and alternate dimensions. i woud recomend a movie to yuo, but it sucked ass

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If there were to be parallel worlds a unit of time would be the thingy you needed to travel between the two of them (the distance 4th dimension they are spaced out) But to actually travel you would need to acheive a speed of 1unittime/spacetime + any speed (not in the negative)
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Altogh the genuis is probably right but then it would be mighty hard for him to explain his theories to the not so genius people like us Now back to paradoxes- the reason of life is to find the meaning of life
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Wether it's a lie or not doesn't matter.
"I know I know nothing" - may well be a lie or a falsehood but the statement still remains a Paradox. The statement is self-contadictory so it is a Paradox.

Your story of a boy going back in time to kill his Father did not actualy happen, but the story is still a Paradox.
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So, What is the fourth dimention? lol.


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Time

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Prove it. lol


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IMPROBABLE MATH
It's not probable

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if its not probable how can you belive it? the title tells you its unlikely to be right, surely?


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i don't believe it Red Eye

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well i don't belive you then


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???

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first? chiken or egg? i tough the first was the Earth, and....
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no, Ge3ri, first came the camera, then came the photo. Y d0|\|'-|- U |_||\||>3r$-|-@|\||> p|@||\| 3|\|g||$h

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Time could be the 4th dimension or the 69th, there are many dimensions and assigning numbers to them is irrelevant (we use 4 coz its just easy)
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No, we use four because it was the next one on the list. Counting your fingers can tell you that (joking, they just chose it though BECAUSE it was the next on the list)

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There are no more after 4. the others are just made up.

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Yes, unless you read that Madeline Elinguel(?) book a Wrinkle in Time, and so far I only believe in 3 dimensions (because the 4th is stupid)

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Yeah the 4th shouldn't be in there either.

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There are more than 3 dimensions, there has to be! It's just that we can't perceive them as we live in a 3D world, we could run through a 2D beings world butt naked wearing a sign that says 'Look at me and you'll win a million quid' but they wouldn't see us. Just as a 5D being could do to our world or a 2D being could do to a 1D world.

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