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DarkBASIC Discussion / Education-Threatening (Possibly hardware related) DBC Issue

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Someone
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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 06:06
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Hey guys, I think my school's Software Dev teacher's have begun digging our education's a nice big hole, and I wanna check we don't get too deep.

Not long ago we finished our courses in HTML Dev and Javascript Dev, the Software Dev teacher suggested we go onto Dark Basic (Which was real new to him) So those of us (me and about 3 friends) Who'd actually finished the last stuff started DBC.

Only now have I gotten to the stage wherein I'm putting objects in a 3D Space, (me leading the class, second furthest guys still doing text games).

Now, heres the problem. 3D Doesn't work. Not at all. Not in the slightest.

I can
MAKE OBJECT SPHERE 1,1,
and I'll get a nice looking sphere in the middle of the screen, but if I
COLOR OBJECT 1,RGB(255,0,0)
Nothing happens. Still just one big grey sphere...
if I
POSITION OBJECT 1,1,0,0
Nothing happens.. still one big grey sphere

If I have

MAKE OBJECT SPHERE 1,0
COLOR OBJECT 1,RGB(255,0,0)
POSITION OBJECT 1,-1,0,0
POSITION CAMERA 0,10,-10
POINT CAMERA 0,0,0

guess what comes up on the screen... One big grey sphere, in the middle of the screen, no different than if I just had the first line.


Now, although when I started DBC up the first time it warned us it might't be able to display high-end 3D graphics, I was a little confused. and right now, I'm very confused. These computers were purchased earlier this year, their all Windows XP with 512 meg RAM, and P4 Processors... And the older computers ran 3D DBC apps (I believe, gonna check this when I can find one of the old ones that still works and I'm allowed on.)

I'll do a belarc check to see just what the 3D Cards are capable of, but I should think they'd at least allow us 3D Graphics, which makes me think either perhaps the Videocard drivers arent installed, or that 3D Gaming has been disabled through the network (somehow).

The teacher's (top end - pretty new) Laptop couldn't run DBC's 3D Games either.

Now, we might soon have a class of very upset students who are learning a new code for absolutely nothing, if we can't get this fixed, and the Computer Studies teacher's, and even the Network Admin, asked my opinion on what it might be, and asked me to see if I can find a way around it. well I tried and failed, now I'm asking you guys.

I really, really hope someone out there can help.

Cheers.

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Magellan
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Hi,
Could you post the exact code you are trying to run, and maybe we could figure something out? Could be something silly like just not syncing or something. Also, did you try running any of the examples?

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Van B
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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 11:03
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We'd really need to see how your using SYNC etc to notice any problems, there's nothing wrong with the code you've shown at least.


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AlecM
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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 11:05 Edited at: 5th Mar 2004 11:07
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Got directX installed? I guess if the programs even run it must be. Try runnning the DXDiag tests.

Edit: What am i saying, xp comes with DX8

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 13:22
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You must have hardware capable of 3D, not software driven. This will at least be the cause of the laptop problem, I imagine.

Try running the checking commands, to see what the cards are capable of.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 17:04
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Magellan,
the exact code I was trying to run is back at the school - it was pretty much what I had in that post tho. A 3d game I programmed at home Diddn't work there, and neither did any of the built in games or 3D lessons/tuts.

as for Syncing, I just used

SYNC ON : SYNC RATE 60
DO

Whatever

SYNC
LOOP



Froggermon, you'r probebly right about DX8, but I'm gonna run Belarc (basic system specs program thingy) and DXDiag when I go back on monday. As well as trying to find all the Hardware info I can. The specs I gave earlier were just off memory, pretty sure on those ones tho.

BatVink, What's these 'Checking Commands' and how do I run them?

Thanks.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 17:09
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Ooh, and I just remembered one very important point I forgot to mention earlier. Towards the beginning of the lessons, when DBC was first shown to us, 3D Games worked on one of the computers. All the computers are EXACTLY the same, and we havent knowingly changed that computer since, but after a couple days it stopped working just like the others.

This is why I rekon it might be Driver or Network restrictions...

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004 22:05
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network or security restrictions for a guess, some mates of mine had problems with their home networks and DB, they had security at paranoid and it didn`t like new EXE`s appearing out of nowhere and killed them before they could run, your problem sounds somewhat similar, DB does work fine, on XP or 98, in both incarnations (Classic or Pro).

Run DX diag and see what version of DX you have, if you have classic then DX should be 8.1, if you are running Pro then DX should be 9.0b.

As an aside, from what I hear school networks are a source of endless trouble to innocent users, maybe they should just try SUPERVISING the students rather than relying on dumb@ss automated filters and security that allow people to swear by inserting non alphabetic characters and then censor your text when you are discussing the evolution of Homosapiens (duh!), or allow you to download broadband porn from sites that avoid using any "f" words so the filters don`t block em...(2 x duh!)

Mentor.

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Are you useing the trial version? If so that would explain it. If your not this shoul really go in the bug reports.

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Quote: "If your not this shoul really go in the bug reports."
cept its not a dbp bug, so theres not much point as dbc isn't being patched anymore.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2004 15:33
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Hey Someone...

Just curious, are you Dean? From Gorokan High? The teach being Mr Aulbury? you being in Yr 11?

If so ( and if not aswell, lol ) I am Jess, in Yr12, I am who showed the teach DarkBASIC ( He doesn't know how to use it... ) And I can help you at school.

Also, when you said "All the computers are EXACTLY the same" That's not true, as I personally have messed around with a few of them... Only ones in Rm17 though...

One thing you have to look at ( this goes for all those trying to run DBC/DBP on School computers ) is that they ussualy aren't what they apear to be ( both in software and hardware )...
For example, at our school, the computers look really fancy, nice and new, and even have a P4 sticker on 'em, but, they're big peices of cr**...
Built in Video cards hardly capable of running Unreal Tounament ( not the new one ) let-alone the weird system specs that seem to be needed by DarkBASIC...
The DX Version is only at 7 ( I think ) but I have installed 9 on a few ( by logging in as Admin on a few occasions ) and also installed new vid drviers on one of the machines, but this resulted in DBC & DBP not being able to run on that machine...

If you are Dean from Yr11 ( I'm hoping so, so that I don't look like a total fool, lol ) then come see me one day, or just post here, and I can help

Ever Helpfull,
Jess.

PS If you like DarkBASIC, I can show you DarkBASIC Professional ( Much nicer than DarkBASIC IMHO ) which I own


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Posted: 6th Mar 2004 17:13
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Jess, Dude! Aubrey's always going on about you. First thing he said after we finnished Javascript was "Ok, now, uhh, check out this cool program a kid in year 12 called Jess is doin"

(Yes, I'm Dean )

What are the odds of asking a question to the world and being answered by someone at the same school, jees

Anyways, what'd you do to computer 2 in room 17? Because it was workin on that one for a while.


& DBP Looks pretty cool, a demo was on one of the PCs in the SDD Room. But I script the stuff in notepad and just tab into DB to reload that one and preview, so the whole full screen issue is easily solved.


Anyways, Jess, if u wanna show me some cool DB Stuff some time at school I spend pretty much all my lunch's and recesses in the SDD Room. I'm not learning DB as fast as I could be because I've gotten into Wings 3D as well.



@ Kequor, their not trial ver's, Schools get DBC free.

Mentor, I rekon thats the prob. I really do.

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Ah, student reunions. One of the coolest things that can happen on the web. Besides Family Reunions.

Make sure:
Computers have DirectX
Computers have latest drivers

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What kind of computers is your school using?
In my highschool, my programming class used a cyrax 133 powerspec machine. They told me pascal programming doesn't require anything better.

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Ours are crap... lol...

( suposedly ) P4, 2.66Ghz
504MB RAM ( What the? )
Integrated Intel Graphics card
WinXP Pro...

Most have DX7 ( But, a few have DX9.0b so I can run DBP on them )

Jess.


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