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Geek Culture / PS2 vs. XBOX

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Powersoft
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Posted: 13th May 2004 23:00
now this is one of my most argueed points with my friend.
in your opinion which one is better?
which would you buy>>>>

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Posted: 13th May 2004 23:02
A GameCube.

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not for me, PS2

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Between PS2 & Xbox? XBox. The only real reason I could have thought of for PS2 would have been ViceCity but the Xbox version blows it out the water. There are so many exclusive XBox games that may not be perfect, but are pushing creative boundaries with new ideas. Plus Xbox live is great, and multiformat games are usually best on XBox.

If you'd have asked Xbox or Gamecube that would have been a lot more difficult to call, there are a whole bunch of exclsuive GC titles which are groundbreaking and stunning at the moment. Plus it has my favourite joypad of the three, and some cool GBA linkup things.

So, to sum up, the best current generation console? Dreamcast

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Xbox is faster and with a better video chip. It has Halo and Halo 2 is coming out for it; those are the best console FPS games ever made. End o' story really

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oh dear...

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Quote: "A GameCube."


*starts to koff* Gamecube totally sucks, I have one, sold it like the day after I got it, SAD little games, like Mario hahaha sad

Anyway, I liked the PS2 more than the XBOX, but now I like the XBOX better, XBOX have many more great games, and it's part of Microsoft which makes it stand out!

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Posted: 13th May 2004 23:23
i hate it when ppl argue about consoles, i like xbox better but does it matter?


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Gamecube rulez0rz

My xbox rulez more.. it has Linux on it

So go with modded xbox.

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Posted: 14th May 2004 00:40 Edited at: 14th May 2004 00:44
In terms of power the X-Box and GameCube are in leagues of thier own, however it is painfully obvious which machine is actually faster.

X-Box:
Intel Pentium III 733MHz FSB133 - Drystone 1083
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nVIDIA XGPU nv21 350MHz - 3DMark01 4760 (Geforce 3)
Pixel / Vertex Shaders - 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 / 1.0,1.1
Ram System / Main / Audio - 32 / 32 / Uses System
Ram Speed - 8ns 400MHz 1.6GB/Sec

GameCube:
IBM PowerPC 603 'Gekko' 485MHz FSB162 - Drystone 1125
Cache L1 / L2 - 32k + 32k / 256k
ATi 'Flipper' R300 385MHz - 3DMark01 6304 (Radeon 9700 Pro)
Pixel / Vertex Shaders - 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.4,2.0 / 1.0,1.1,2.0
Ram System / Main / Audio - 40 / 24 / 16
Ram Speed - 10ns 485MHz 2.4GB/Sec

I'm not sure about you, but I would say that the GameCube doesn't just level in performance but actually outperforms the X-Box.

What makes me laugh is Microsoft put

Quote: "An Intel 733MHz processor, the most powerful CPU of any console"


I was actually being generous with the MIPS Drystone above and 3DMark01 as the results were taken from the P3-800MHz FSB133.
The Gekko processor + Radeon 3DMark was generated using PCMark04 so the results might be out by around 200 either way; however even if you took off 200 points, the X-Box still doesn't come close.
The only think it actually outperforms the GC on is the memory transfering as it is slightly quicker (ever so slightly)... however as the GC has 2 extra 2MB buffers each at 6.2ns one for the video and one for the system, this really squashes this speed difference considering it has almost double the bandwidth.

Sorry X-Box lovers who seem to think the GC is crap and that it's technology is superior but what the XB has is old hat hehee


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Quote: "Jimmy:My xbox rulez more.. it has Linux on it
So go with modded xbox."


The GC can access Mini-DVD Media, and use MacOSX without modding.
Unix based MacOSX ... or some modded and foriegn Linux build.
Hehee ^_^ GC 2 - XB Nuttin'


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why i would get a XBOX over a PS2...

pratical reasons...
A)it costs less
B)you don't have to buy memory sticks(built in hard drive)

Fun\Personal preferences
A)it looks like it's out of Darth-Vader's living room
B)i like the controlers better
C)more exclusive games
D)i think the graphics are better


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i dont want to start a flame war!

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METROID PRIME!

Gamecube is my favourite


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X Box ruleeeez.... Even though GC is good too, I actually like pretty much anything that can entertain me... But i gotta go with X Box... Gotta love Halo, and Halo 2 which is comming out November 9th!!!! (yes 2004 )

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Yeah raven, I bought the GC before xbox and instead of PS2 for a reason and I still love it, but as it STANDS MY xbox is better because it's modded and the GC is not
For shizzle

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Quote: "For shizzle"

Did you mean Fo' Shizzle?

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Game Cube is the best Xbox is just a FPS console, that's it. Nintendo is the most creative of all of them.

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Posted: 14th May 2004 01:35
Thats your opinion
but noone can resist the power of Halo, and Halo 2

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well if you want MY opinion I'd say FPS's don't belong on ANY console, no mouse means no.. alive

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Couldn't agree with you any more Jimmy. Same goes for RTS games too. You just can't play them (even turn-based ones) on a console like a PC.



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Ill try not be biased but..

IMO, Nintendo is the best video company ever, and only buy nintendo products, usually, so I dont have a XBox, or PS2, but basically XBox is just a computer so IMO it would be better to get the Halo for PC, and PS2 is less powerful, but has "better" games (at least in the publics opinion) so my vote is GameCube. Personally I would rather play "Sad little games like mario" as sidekik put it (Comments like that really make me mad). Of course, then i would rather play an NES over any. So my vote is GC, but if i had to decide PS2 and XBox, i would pick PS2 because it has more games.

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Quote: "So, to sum up, the best current generation console? Dreamcast "

Exactly!! DC ROCKS!!! Espetially now that so many of the games are under $10. You can get 10 DC games for the price of one GC game. Can't beat that.

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not to offend anyone but game cube is deffinitly the worst system out of the 3(ps2,xbox,gamecube) i admit game cube has a few fun party games but their are only 5 or 6 online games TOPS. But between xbox and ps2, i prefer ps2 becuase i enjoy its games more eg final fantasys, socom, everquest ect. But I have to admit the xbox does have better graphics then ps2 and has many good sports games(most online).

Thats my opinion you dont like it go (censured) yourself

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The console war can burn in hell.

Up with PCs!!!


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Im with HZence!!!

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Quote: "
X-Box:
Intel Pentium III 733MHz FSB133 - Drystone 1083
Cache L1 / L2 - 16k + 16k / 256k
nVIDIA XGPU nv21 350MHz - 3DMark01 4760 (Geforce 3)
Pixel / Vertex Shaders - 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 / 1.0,1.1
Ram System / Main / Audio - 32 / 32 / Uses System
Ram Speed - 8ns 400MHz 1.6GB/Sec

GameCube:
IBM PowerPC 603 'Gekko' 485MHz FSB162 - Drystone 1125
Cache L1 / L2 - 32k + 32k / 256k
ATi 'Flipper' R300 385MHz - 3DMark01 6304 (Radeon 9700 Pro)
Pixel / Vertex Shaders - 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.4,2.0 / 1.0,1.1,2.0
Ram System / Main / Audio - 40 / 24 / 16
Ram Speed - 10ns 485MHz 2.4GB/Sec"


Darwins computer:
AMD Athlon 1.3ghz
nvidia geforce 2
blah
blah
blah

i honestly dont care about speed in consoles. consoles are built for GAMES not POWER. and i personally dont like hardly any games on the XBox, xbox live is a ripoff, nothing like paying a monthly fee to play my games... i hate PS/2 up and down, hate the controllers, have yet to see a good game on either ps.

i personally own a cube, i have 10 or so games, all of which i really like, excluding The Wind Waker. but it has that new zelda game coming out http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/b080225c-960e-4a52-a2c6-d7db10bdaef0.mov

Quote: "It has Halo and Halo 2 is coming out for it; those are the best console FPS games ever made. End o' story really"

i have yet to understand why people make xbox seem so superior because of HALO. its a freaking FPS for cring out loud! yeah its fun but it's not worth paying $150 for an xbox plus the $50 game just to play HALO.

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Quote: "Thats my opinion you dont like it go (censured) yourself
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I really think it would be hard to do that. But really GC games are most rated TEEN so, I'd rather play a game with violence, but not one with gore getting in the way of seeing stuff(Really happend).

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I would say the PS2 wins my vote.
Ive grown used to the controller.
It fits perfectly by my big tv.
It fits perfectly on my big tv.
I can play DVD's without my remotes batteries.
Its got a cool blueish colour ( or color for some ).
It has loads of games from loads of genres.
I can play all of my old games on it, enhanced.
And thats about it.

However, I do like the other two consoles, just not as much.
Halo is very cool!
So is Zelda.

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Posted: 14th May 2004 09:44 Edited at: 14th May 2004 09:50
Definitely PS2. I hate FPS titles for consoles because playing FPS with controllers suck, no matter what controller it is. I was never interested in any of the Nintendo titles, and XBox only has FPS titles going for it.

MGS2. Hands down. XBox games usually move over to PC anyway (Morrowind, Halo, and you get updates and patches for them), and the GC games are just... weak. I bought PS2 for Dark Cloud 2, and I wouldn't bother to take a second look at Zelda.

Oh yeah, there's Armored Core 3. Cool.


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VS Thread, why hasn't his been locked?


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I would buy neither - got 3 PC's and a laptop, so what would I want with either an XBox or a PS2 ?

My Dads got an XBox anyway.


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They all have 90% the same games anyway.

GTA, MGS2, Splinter Cell etc.

I don't think PS2 has any exclusive showcase games (like Halo or Metroid Prime)

XBOX is getting HL2 (it will probably be toned down though)

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You'd be nuts to compare a PS2 to an X-Box realistically, now comparing a PS2 to a Dreamcast is more likely. Incidently the Dreamcast actually beats the PS2 on a couple of points, like texture memory - the DC can produce better graphics than the PS2.

I must say though that 99% of X-Box games ignore the technology available and are pretty much identical to the PS2 versions. In fact I can only think of half a dozen X-Box titles with great graphics.


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Actually, PS2 does occasionally have exclusive games that are worth owning a system to play, ICO is awesome and Parappa2 is funky Plus Dancemat, Eyetoy & kareoke games aren't to be overlooked in their appeal to girls

Whilst the GC is severly limited in its online support so-far, actually it has my favourite Online game, which can also be played by the lowly 56kers too Phantasy Star Online 1&2. Nuff said

Unless of course you have a DC, which has plenty of exclusive and brilliant games, plus can play Phantasy Star Online on a 56k too. Oh, and QUAKEIII online with MOUSE & KEYBOARD! (Man it was ahead of its time )

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Many said that XBox got some good graphics and stuffs... but they got fewer games than PS2... I'd say, I'll vote to PS2... (I own a PS2)
For those who like japanese style games, go to PS2, for those who are american style, go to XBox. But to be sure, buy an Alienware PC!!! (heheh)


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Tbh, discussions like these are quite pointless, some people like one more than the other, full stop. You can't say oh this one is better, because they're all different. And to be honest, the claims that there are not good games on the GC is bullsh*t. If you've only ever played one or two games on it, you wont know what the other ones are like. And the last thing is that most people are very inclined to say that a console is crap when they never played it.
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Posted: 14th May 2004 16:36
yeah pretty valid point Ken...
the only way to really compare the consoles is thier technical abilities;

Alot of point for each console are quite stupid.
My vote goes to the GameCube, for the simple reason

Simply because I prefer Nintendo, full-stop.
Other reasons though include;

Easiest Controller to use, with proper analog. Although the PS2 boasts analog, very very few games use it ... it is only actually 2 state Min/Max Signal, plus it's damn hard to know if your actually doing Min/Max. The GC only has 2 Analog buttons, L/R however they are extremely easy to use and implimented in alot of games like Mario Kart, Waverunner & Soul Calibre 2.

Graphically it has some of the most impressive titles i've ever seen.
Resident Evil Zero / 4
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Pikmin
Zela : The Wind Waker

Combine this with the Automatic (and no slow-down) ability to use HDTVs, these games look fantastic no matter the screen you use.

The machine is portable. It is small and light enough to take anywhere, with the 5" TFT screen + Battery Pack or Car Adapter you can literally game anywhere you want with it.

The games are cheap!!! For the gamecube I pay around £35 for a brand new release, if i pre-order £30. Compare this to the £45-50 that I pay for X-Box or PS2 games, this often means that I end up waiting until a game is actually available second hand before i get it for the other consoles.

GameBoy Advance / DS Connectivity. This enhances alot of games by giving you extra controllers, screens or even downloadable games to play on your GameBoy.

Free Hardware if your game requires it. Often Nintendo will bundle a peice of hardware with a game if you will require it, suchas a Nintendo GBA Cable w.Final Fantasy ... or a free 4Mbit memory card with Pokémon Colosseum.

Better Quality games assured. Unlike the X-Box and PS2, the GameCube doesn't get any games not pre-approved by Nintendo.
Well there are exceptions like Spyro, but that appears to be the only one i've found. All other games i've had an oppertunity to play have been top notch quality.

Is the least prone to crashing. Most probably have crashed thier machines yet, however each machine has been tested for crashing extensively after there was a hoohar about the PS2 crashing.
Surprisingly the X-Box is not the most unstable, infact the PS2 is when playing PS1 games. (FFVII totally screws up if you play it for more then 2hrs and refuses to fix itself until you completely turn off the main machine power)

GameDiscs are designed to resist damage. As any gamer will know, the more you play a cd/dvd the more it'll get scratched until it becomes unplayable. Again the X-Box isn't the worst at this, the PS2 is due to some problem with the DvD lens, but this combined with the fact the game dvd's cannot take much damage and dvd movies if even slightly damaged just will *not* play at all.

There is also the fact of the price to get the machines in the first place.
GameCube £80
X-Box £130
PS2 £140

... X-Box's most famous game Halo, well Nintendo's answer is Metroid Prime which i dunno anyone who hasn't played it and loved it. PS2's most famous game MGS2, well Nintendo have Twin Snakes which is the first remade around the MGS2 engine... only with better graphics than the PS2.

We combine this with a Subpixel Anti-Alaising Processor which allows the console to produce ATi's superior quality 4x MultiSampling ... it isn't hard to see which console is built for gaming.


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Agreed

Although I'll say it again. ICO is good enough reason to buy a PS2, albeit AFTE you've bought a GC and XBox MGS2 is an old and fault ridden game now, but those who love it can find a much better version on XBox, and an even better MGS game in the forum of TwinSnakes on GC

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But FPS is the biggest genre, and the Gamecube has very little to offer anyone who likes FPS games. Nintendo should really get a mouse and keyboard and a good stack of more adult games - if they could bundle a GC with mouse and keyboard with a nice shiny 007 FPS they'd surely give Mr.Gates a freight. Right now it's girls and hardcore gamers that are buying GC's for the cutesy games or for the sheer playability Nintendo can offer - it'll never have mass market appeal.

I liked the N64, I still like the graphics quality and fluidity for such an old machine, it blows the PSX out of the water (except for the controller that is) - but Nintendo's marketing attitude killed any volume sale potential. Deja-vu.


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You mean like the Phantasy Star Online Keyboard Controller...


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EXACTLY!

A little mouse that clipped onto the side of that keyboard would be awesome. That's the kind of thing that would sell Gamecubes. It's killer titles like Halo and 007 and games that make you swear when you see the screenies on the flipside of the box that sell consoles, not monkeys in balls. No disrespect to monkeys.

I think everyone knows that marketing is the real deciding factor - because us lot are not general games buyers, we can see the seams in anything and we take a lot more convincing that the average punter. I've always looked at the PS2 with mild distaste - probably because it got Half Life and the DC did'nt . The graphics on the PS2 are undeniably the worst on a supposed next gen console - IMHO take the next gen sticker off the PS2 because 4mb of texture memory can't keep up with the GC or X-Box (or a freakin DC!).


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Quote: "probably because it got Half Life and the DC did'nt "

I have half-life for the DC. Don't you mean GC?

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You can't have silly wabbit it never got released. Soldier of Fortune got released for the Dreamcast though, which uses the same engine. Apparantly the DC version of HL would have rocked.


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Posted: 14th May 2004 18:56
well, I do. And it's a perfectly legal one too. Pitty I can't find a mouse for it anywhere.

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Ahh, you see there was a beta version, but it was never released commercially, your incredibly fortunate to have the beta because I've certainly never seen one!. Can you remember where you got it from?


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I bought it used, at a store selling 3 DC games for $10. I bought their last games. Except for ecco the dolphin, which seemed silly. I also got Quake3, and MSR from that place.

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Posted: 14th May 2004 19:42 Edited at: 14th May 2004 19:44
Sorry Van my friend has Half-life for DC too, full instructions, properly boxed, works on PAL Its not Online though, and it never got an official release, but quite a few copies were made as it was cancelled right at the last minute, 100% complete. It appears on Ebay every now and then. I once saw a copy as "second hand" in GameStation, full polywrapped, never been openned, going for £49.99. Unforunately I had no money at the time, but thats where my m8 got it from. Its much sharper than the PC version, much improved polycounts on characters. Presumably the same as the PS2 game, don't know tho never played that. The higher poly models and new levels were used in PC Blue-Shift I believe.

I think Copies were only ever released / sent to shops in Europe, perhaps including selected UK establishments.

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Posted: 14th May 2004 20:45
Quote: "I think Copies were only ever released / sent to shops in Europe, perhaps including selected UK establishments."

That would explain why mine is in english, not spanish, despite the fact I bought it in El Salvador. Someone must of bought it there, brought it over, then decided to sell it for some reason. Since I purchased it used, it came in pretty bad shape. The CD was mildly scratched, all the papers where missing. It just came in a CD box with nothing but the CD. They made me sign a paper saying I knew the product was "defective" (probably refering to the lack of manuals, etc. Played well though.), bla bla bla...

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Posted: 15th May 2004 01:19
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