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Killswitch
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IMHO I don't see how anyone can favour creationism (or christianity/any other religion) over science. What is there about religion other than what has been written down by men? How can you belive in something you can't ever prove? And how can there be 'eternal life' when your dead you've died, you rot and are eventually forgotten. Again IMO every single religion on the planet is just a way of controlling people to make sure society works, i.e. the ten commandments don't steal, don't kill - don't do anything that could harm socitey. And all the rules about God are just there to enforce the fact that these rules have to be obeyed therefore God must be obeyed.

If there was indeed a God everyone would be Jewish, from the dawn of time, but instead there is Paganism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddisim, Hinduism, etc etc etc!

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The Real 87
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There are other religions (including Athiesm) because of free will, evil is allowed to happen because of the devil.

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Err, atheism isn't a religion.
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Quote: "Are stars mathimatically posible?"

you need to go out sometime.


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Killswitch
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Posted: 13th Aug 2004 21:53
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As Jebus says (with a very approprite name I think) aethism isn't a religion! And rouge, what you just said makes no sense. If we have free will then how can the devil make us do evil things?

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correct me if im rong but isnt atheism (spelling?) the lack of religion, as in someone that follows no religion (or may have some ideas but isnt certain)

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Urgh...

Quote: " IMHO I don't see how anyone can favour creationism (or christianity/any other religion) over science."


It's not favoring creationism over science, and it's ignorance like that that makes evolution so popular. Creationism does not defy science. I believe macroevolution to be a fundamentaly flawed scientific thoery with virtually no evidence for its case. On the other hand, there is a lot of scientific evidence that suggests the human race and the ecosystem itself were created. It's not a matter of 'science or idiocy'.

Furthermore, your comment about "if there was a god" is both insulting and ignorant. It's insulting because you're automatically assuming that "if there was a god" it'd be the ones the jews worship, and you're assuming all the other religions would be wrong. It's ignorant because you're assuming you would completely understand how a supreme being's mind works. It's like saying "if there was a hidden country called Atlantis, they'd have nuked all of us by now"-- however ridiculous or unlikely the premise may be, that's beside the point; your conclusion has no supporting argument.

Sheesh...


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DrakeX
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Quote: " This is acctualy kinda sad.

I just wanted to see how many people would insult (or attack) me personally if I made a debate that was so stupid it couldn't even be real.

Thanks, and I will record that as everyone but the moderators (and QuothTheRaven) as they were nice and always debated and never simply said 'You don't understand so STFU'."


i feel so .. USED!

lol.

really, what did you expect, rogue? everyone to say "man i really doubt they ARE possible! there must be a god! thanks for showing me the light!"? come on. especially when people started saying "creationism is crap" and you sank to their level and said "science is crap". if you're LOOKING for a mature discussion, be prepared to MAKE IT a mature discussion.

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Ian T
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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 01:40
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For once I agree 100%...


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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 03:29 Edited at: 14th Aug 2004 03:31
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@rogue the camper
You are out there man. LOL

Now after all that, I know I am really going to get you going with this one:
Earth has no moon!
..a simplistic view, but accurate enough to make you think.
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*puts on sunglasses and looks out the window*

Oh my god, I can't see the moon!
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Damokles
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But please disprove the theory of evolution .... I know three ways of doing it.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 04:14
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Quote: " But please disprove the theory of evolution .... I know three ways of doing it"


That is something I'd certainly like to see you try to do

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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 04:45 Edited at: 14th Aug 2004 04:45
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But gravity isn't caused by quantum fluxutations out of our spheres of influence, whereas higher levels of energy that were to supposedly metamorph into, for lack of a better term to describe negative atoms, 'shards' of meta-plasma would enter a completely different level of reality. Ever heard of identical planes theory? If the portals aren't identical, the planes aren't identical. It's kosher.


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"Bleh, I have alot of dreams like that lol"

i wish i had more dreams like that. most of the time i dream really stupid crap. like walking around on the counters in the kitchen because there's something on the floor i don't want to get near. WTF??!

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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 07:07 Edited at: 14th Aug 2004 07:17
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@zircher

Do you really see the moon? Is our moon really a moon? If you say yes immediatly, then this could get interesting.

Unlike "rogue the camper" this is a real subject.
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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 07:18
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Going back a bit (I always turn up too late in these convos)...

Quote: "Technicaly nothing is possible and I would argue that matter it self is not possible (matter can not be created nor destroyed)."


I thought matter is turned into energy in a fission/fusion reaction, I thought that was the idea behind E = mc^2. Fogive me if I'm wrong of course, I haven't done this stuff in school (secondary school physics is a pizza shiz ).

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No one knows what causes gravity. It is thought to be a particle but no one has ever found it.
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I think it's called a graviton and is smaller than a proton.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 07:32
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The Earth has two moons! And sory if I offeneded anyone, I didn't mean to (thats why I used IMHO and IMO).

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Posted: 14th Aug 2004 07:56 Edited at: 14th Aug 2004 07:57
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dude your right! the earth does have two moons! like dude the sun is just another moon! whoa...i'm getting too deep here...


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BTW rougue i don't think anybody told you to "stfu"...

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Pfft nuts to your sarcasm! The earth does have two moons - check it out for yourself.

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Actually, there might be three ...

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Acctually the Earth is a moon of the Sun, becuase we orbit the sun not the other way around.

I can not disprove evelution to you, however I have my reasons to not believe in it.

No the devil does not make us do evil, he just supplies the tools.

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" Acctually the Earth is a moon of the Sun, becuase we orbit the sun not the other way around."

they know. they're just being inane to match the tone of this topic.

"I can not disprove evelution to you"

i thought you were threatening us with that?

don't say you'll shoot if you don't have a gun!

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And don't threaten to use a gun if you have no arm..

Oh no! Chrissy had used her powers to turn herself into a hideous man-eating giant!
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Moon 2

http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/cruithne.html

Moon 3

http://infomesh.net/2002/J002E3/

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I just said I can't convince you, not that I can't do it.

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Quote: " I just said I can't convince you, not that I can't do it."


That's a contradiction.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your grammar is just really, really bad. If that's so and you were trying to say "I just I won't convince you, not that I can't do it", well, if it's any comfort we all really believe that .


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IanM I didn't know that at one point we had 3 moons. Thats pretty cool.

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But is our "primary moon" a moon? It may not be.
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i think you are all space aliens

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Oh and Pulto isn't a planet...

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you're right...

pluto is

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no, technically its not. Its not big enough. And its moon isn't technically a moon either.


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Believe it or not, scientists have proven we're technically not humans. Because the technical definition of humans has a slight difference in the DNA to us. So we're not human anymore.



(See what I'm getting at ?)


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No Mouse,
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Which would mean, mouse, that we've evolved!

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Quote: " Which would mean, mouse, that we've evolved!"


Into a new species

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We should evolve into cyborgs, and be able to write programs mentally, and be able to create textured 3D models with a single thought, and broadcast them to each other, and store them on flash memory in the skull. And we should fly. Definatly should be able to fly.


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I'll settle for a Frink chip in my head. + + + =
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Too subtle or blunt, I'm not sure ...


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I hope for the sake of humanity that you were too blunt.


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I think it would be a hoot if everyone could be a rocket scientist or linguist by simply inserting a little cyberwear. Of course, it would make you a crack shot at Scorched Earth.
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Cyberware, surely? I'd rather no insert a little cyberwear ...


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My bad, that's why I need a spell checker also installed. That one slipped by the chat filter.
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Quote: "" But please disprove the theory of evolution .... I know three ways of doing it""


Quote: ""That is something I'd certainly like to see you try to do""


Its pretty easy to disprove the theory of evolution considering all the flaws in it and considering that the majority of scientists disaprove of it anyway. And even if evolution did exist it would have been created by god anyway....you cant win.

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Can someone please explain to me how evolution can be disproved? Everyone here says it has/can but won't actually tell us about it. Besides creationism says the Earth is 4000 years old - not enough time for anything to evolve if the theory is correct.

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creationism doesn't say for sure that the earth is 4000 years old(i think it's more like 6000)

but even if it did, 4000 years is plenty of time for micro evolution to occur(which it has) and i believe in that...

macro evolution is just plain immpossible...

could somebody else please "prove" evolution wrong to him? i don't have the time...

gotta go!

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ok, so which is more logical here... we were all plopped magically on earth.. or we all came from a single life that mutated and evolved...

Think you people.. i doubt the earth has only been around for a few thousand years, we've got rocks older than that. Or did somebody magically make those as well?

I'm not saying god doesn't exist, but why would he go to all the trouble to fabricate things, when he'd be perfectly well and able to do it in a natural fasion?

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