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Ali
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Posted: 5th May 2005 01:37 Edited at: 14th May 2005 09:48
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Hello,

I'm interested in buying the rights to some games and screen savers. Preferably made with DarkBASIC Pro.

The rights that I want to buy are non-exclusive unlimited distribution rights. This means that the game is still yours and you can still do whatever you like with it, even sell it. What I intend to do is give it away for FREE on my site, from which I make money from advertising. The game will still be your game and have your name in the credits. (I don't use spyware or any immoral forms of advertising.)

Now you need to understand that I'm not a serious publisher and I can't offer that kind of money that a serious publisher would. But as I don't want any kind of exclusivity and the game/screen saver is already made, you'll be getting paid for something you've already done and so it's money for nothing.

To give you some idea I'll be offering between $100-$200, depending on the quality of the game. But really I expect the reason for you to do this is to get your game seen and played by thousands of people, and the money is more so you can't change your mind at a later time and leave me in an awkward position.

All the resources used in the game/screen saver will have to be made by yourself or 100% royalty-free. I do have a good collection of sound effects in any may need to be replaced, and Ogg Vorbis will need to be used instead of MP3 or WAV for copyright issues and to cut down the file size.

I may require some changes, which I could do myself if you trust me with the source code, but if not I'll have to ask you to make the changes. If you don't have the full version of DarkBASIC Pro with the extension for Ogg Vorbis then you may need to give me the source so I can compile it with my version.

If you're interested please reply with description, screenshot and link to your game/screen saver. Or email me at [email protected].

EDIT: If you're already selling your game I may accept a light version with a few less levels and include a link to your shareware version in it. That would make you even more money. But the game would have to be very good.

Kind regards,
Alasdair Forsythe
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Posted: 5th May 2005 02:11
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This sounds perfectly fair - am posting this message to confirm that I will allow this thread to exist and for mods to not lock it.

Just one comment Alasdair - be extra careful about checking that the games you accept are actually written by the people who send them! There are some, well.. shall we say "less trustworthy" people on this forum.

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Quote: "Just one comment Alasdair - be extra careful about checking that the games you accept are actually written by the people who send them! There are some, well.. shall we say "less trustworthy" people on this forum."


Very Good point there.

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Posted: 5th May 2005 02:22 Edited at: 5th May 2005 02:24
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Yep...

I might make a game for you...if i find time amongst my busy days...

I highly doubt you'll want it but if you think it's high quality enough you can use my game Here it's sound would have to be converted to ogg...but i don't at all mind letting you have the source (i don't have the expansion)

Don't even think of paying me for that one...not only is it open source and free...but i really hated it...

Don't worry though...if i make a game for you it will be higher quality then that (i've learned alot these past 5 months...)

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Posted: 5th May 2005 03:13
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Time Ship - www.drewsgames.com

You may include that for free.

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Posted: 5th May 2005 04:00
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One question - What is Ogg Vorbis?

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Would you be interested in games made in C++ With OpenGL?

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Ali
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Quote: "Time Ship - www.drewsgames.com"

Thank you, but that's not the type of game I'm looking for. To be honest I've been looking at lots of the games from the showcase, and very few of them I'd be interested in. It needs to be professional above all else, which means no bugs, nice menus and it's obvious what to do.

Quote: "One question - What is Ogg Vorbis?"

Ogg Vorbis is a compressed sound format, similar to MP3, but unlike MP3 the compression is not copyrighted.

Quote: "Would you be interested in games made in C++ With OpenGL?"

I would. But you'd have to make changes to it if any were required as I don't know enough C++. Email me screenshots and a link and I'll take a look.
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Time Ship was an excellent, enjoyable game....did you ever think of updating the visuals Drew? (I loved the game, just thought it would be even better with some extra polish.....I'd help if interested?)

Ali: I would recommend Time Ship
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Posted: 5th May 2005 04:30 Edited at: 5th May 2005 04:31
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I'd love it if you wanted to use Tankoids.

You can get it from the showcase.

(or my sig)

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http://www.thegamecreators.com/?gf=2004compo_view&i=64

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I'd love to use Tankoids if you could make the moving controls more keyboard based and make computer players rather than just human players.

It shouldn't be too difficult to do some simple computer AI where it blasts in the direction of the nearest tank and moves around a little, picking up a powerup if it's near, etc.
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Quote: "That would make you even more money. But the game would have to be very good."


Nicely put; I better finish my 3D RTS.....

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Nicely put; I better finish my 3D sandwich...


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Posted: 5th May 2005 06:21 Edited at: 5th May 2005 09:14
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Hi ali,

is there anything 'bespoke', like a screensaver or game you'd like to see made? or is it anything goes? (as long as the quality is there) i'd be up for making a couple of wild screen savers for a project. of course, i'd have to make a community version for the TGC massive, that goes without saying. scrolling messages in the screen savers, graphic logos of your choice in your version, as well as your own scrolltext. I would retain the rights to the code though, as it is of use to the community and myself. i think my games are ok, i make them for the massive and myself more than anything, but people seem to like them. custom logos and scrolltext would also be available in those as well. if fact i'm a pretty flexible guy, i'll change pretty much anything you need changing. if theres money for me to spend on expanding my creative software collection. my recent works are Fujiboink (ssaver), HeliosRise, (ssaver) NanoPod (game, still having the final polish applied as well as a music overhaul and slowdown bug fixed, faster, but slightly easier due to increased autofire system). My older but still quite good stuff includes Blastroids, which i'm quite proud of, and plays better now due to the increased graphics power in pc's these days. But as always, this community comes first, please understand this.

if your interested, drop me a email. if not, drop on me a bomb.

thanks, geecee3.

PS. i was not aware that there were any restrictions as far as using .WAV files is concerned, almost all software uses uncompressed .WAV header audio samples somewhere. are you refering to MP3 encoded .WAV files? (this is the only issue with audio as far as i can see) I would really like to know the standing on this issue, and if it's true, can i use .AIFF (apple i believe), AU (sun i think) SND (creative labs?), without tredding on their toes? Not being able to use .WAV headed files is like being told not to breathe. anything else is a performance hit and thats not good for the software. Could We as a community develop our own open standard for non compressed audio samples, and more important can we develop an open standard for compression of that audio that would benefit ALL games writers. (C++ people, are you listening?) hmmmmmm.


my bag, sorry. misread why you don't want WAV.
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Posted: 5th May 2005 06:36 Edited at: 5th May 2005 06:41
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Take a look at my Retro River Raid:
http://darkphear.cjb.net
I can prepare you an exclusive version with your site url, logo and all you need. Please e-mail me if you're interested.

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There are some WAV and MP3, but I can change it if you wish
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Download free games and demos at my page: http://darkphear.cjb.net
MultiJoy Plugin : use multiple joysticks / joypads in your program.http://darkphear.cjb.net
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Posted: 5th May 2005 07:47
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Quote: "PS. i was not aware that there were any restrictions as far as using .WAV files is concerned"

There's not, it just uses up all my bandwidth.

I'll take a look at some of your games.

Quote: "Take a look at my Retro River Raid"

I'm downloading now.
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Ali
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Posted: 5th May 2005 08:07
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Quote: "Take a look at my Retro River Raid"

I can't use such obvious remakes, just in case of any copyright or trademark issues that might arise.

geecee3, where can I find your games?
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Posted: 5th May 2005 09:25 Edited at: 5th May 2005 09:43
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my blastroids is out of the question then, but i was going to call it 'chaos rocks' anyway, problem solved then. LOL.

i'll be uploading a re-built version of both my games, in the next couple of days, but for now you can have a look at the following threads to see where i'm coming from.

helios rise and fujiboink (the logos can be changed to anything)

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53370&b=5

nanopod
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53198&b=5

thanks, geecee3.

ps. sorry about the .WAV misunderstanding

as for the games, if you like them. i'd be willing to make custom levels and give you an exclusive release on the modded versions. (if it's being paid for, then it's worth the extra mile.) I also have no problem with you re-compiling the source for the games. so long as no content (other than your own logo etc. is changed). you would in effect 'own' the .exe to that release of the game this would include the media exclusive to your version, but common media would be copyright myself, as would the source in it's entirety. it's even possible to place ads or sponsor logos within these programs to give better exposure to sponsors etc.
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Sounds interesting...too bad I cant do anything. Maybe in a few years if the deal is still going.........

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nice site you got there, this is a good service for people to get there games out there.

Now for me to actually finish something
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@Ali
I made a racing game a while ago, you can check it out here http://oliver.mfhosting.com/index.php?section=alienware. I think it looks pretty professional, anyway get back to me if your interested.
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Quote: "I can't use such obvious remakes"

Hehe well mine is out of the question then even when its finished !

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Sounds interesting Ali.

I've got a game I made called Piper in the showcase:

http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/?m=showcase_view&i=138

As it was my first finished game its graphically naff and I put a demo restriction on it (due to n00bish hopes of selling it ) However, I think the gameplay is extremely fun and addictive, so if you were interested in a better version I might be persuaded to make a professional version. Let me know if you want me to.

Simple... yet fun!
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robo cat,

Thanks but I'm mainly looking for 3D games. 2D games I can make myself pretty quick, or I get more complicated ones from Game Maker users.

I am a programmer myself, or at least I was to start with. I buy games mainly now because I want ones that take a while to make and I haven't got time to make them all myself.
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geecee3 and Chris K, I sent you an email, did you receive it?
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I'm currently working on a game for the "Cinco De Mayo" Competition...It's a 2D Platformer/Action/Shoot-em-up game where you star as a hamster wielding a big gun (and wearing a sombrero)

When it's done, if you deem it high quality enough, i could make extra levels and features (possibly multiplayer) and convert all the sounds to Ogg Vorbis...

Here's the Hamster (Made him in about 2 hours)

I still have to give him walking/jumping/crouching...ect animations but i have the hard part done

Even though you said you aren't really interested in 2D games I’m assuming that doesn't mean you'll automatically turn them down

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Ali
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Quote: "Even though you said you aren't really interested in 2D games I’m assuming that doesn't mean you'll automatically turn them down"

You're correct. Tankoids is 2D and I'm interested in that. But generally I get 2D games from Game Maker users as it's dead easy to make 2D games in Game Maker. While DarkBASIC is in my opinion the easiest programming language for 3D games, and so I expect some nice 3D games for here.

And as I've said, simple games I can just make myself. If the game took less than a week to make I probably won't be interested because I could have made it and saved myself the money.
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Quote: "If the game took less than a week to make I probably won't be interested because I could have made it and saved myself the money. "

Yeah, i'll be spending 2 months on this one...(so that above picture may or may not be the final character )

Quote: "so I expect some nice 3D games for here.
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The only problem with nice 3D games...is they require nice 3D models...and nice textures...

"We make the worst games in the universe."

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Hi ali, i just got your mail.

I have no problems with any of the requests. in fact they are great suggestions. and are being included right away. 20 levels at present with a steep difficulty curve, i'll make this more friendly and add a load more levels. (50 or so, levels are very easy to make)

i will reply to your mail very soon.

many thanks, grant.
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Posted: 7th May 2005 23:04 Edited at: 7th May 2005 23:05
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Quote: "did you ever think of updating the visuals Drew?"


Thanks, but no. I like to move onto a new project when I finish one.

Quote: "Thank you, but that's not the type of game I'm looking for. To be honest I've been looking at lots of the games from the showcase, and very few of them I'd be interested in. It needs to be professional above all else, which means no bugs, nice menus and it's obvious what to do."


Feel free to shell out your money to other people then. Free offer is still open.

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Quote: "Feel free to shell out your money to other people then. Free offer is still open."


Thank you. Though if I was interested I would have insisted on paying, it's too risky to take software for free. I prefer to buy the proper rights to it to be safe.
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you can have my game if you want.. its a bit of fun.. i think.

http://blindsight.dbspot.com/index.htm

heres where the game is currently "stored"

have a go and see if you want it..

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If say, someone got back to you in a couple months, would you still be interested?

My 1337 site:

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Ali
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Quote: "If say, someone got back to you in a couple months, would you still be interested?"


Yes, I probably would. If it's a good enough game that is. Unless of course I already had too many games that were similar. For instance, I've got loads of platformers already so I'm not looking for any more, while what I'm really missing is a good RTS game.

Quote: "you can have my game if you want.. its a bit of fun.. i think."


I'm downloading now.
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man this sucks, im always thinking that i should find someone to advertise my games to the public. but then again, i think twice and remember my games suck they are no fun to play at all. ahh... well, hopefully some day i can make a game that i will be pround of, and eventually give to some guy like you.

anyway, its great to know your website will always be here

edit:
right??

edit:
if you suddenly feel like dropping by my site and see my games, feel free to do so at: http://freewebtown.com/lukasw/ since my 'original' page is out-of-order

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You can check my game, it's not the greatest and it is 2d, but check it out if you want. Here's the thread: (contains download link and screen shots)

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=46795&b=5



Check Out My Site Here: http://www.freewebs.com/underworld1020/
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Quote: "You can check my game, it's not the greatest and it is 2d, but check it out if you want. Here's the thread: (contains download link and screen shots)"


I'll download today and take a look.
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ok, thanks .

EDIT: I can modify it, if you want.



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Hi,
This is just the thing I was looking for but I was wondering, how are you funding this. I've looked at your site and see you've already got a wide selection of games but I see no advertising. Unless you count the links to other freeware sites.

I understand if you don't want to tell me were the money's coming from, it's a great addition to the community and obviously you're being careful about what you do and don't soend money on. I would like to ask however, on avaerage how many hits a day is your site getting?

p.s. Just noticed the ad-sense on the links page as well.



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Ali
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Quote: "This is just the thing I was looking for but I was wondering, how are you funding this. I've looked at your site and see you've already got a wide selection of games but I see no advertising. Unless you count the links to other freeware sites."


The advertising is connected to the game. While the game is installed the user will be shown occasionaly ads based on what they are currently searching for (on average one or two per day.) All this is explained on 4 dedicated pages of the setup program before the game is installed, it's not hidden away in the license agreement. All users know exactly what's going to be installed, how it will work, and how to get rid of it. There is a tickbox for the user to agree to install the software so it's 100% opt-in. The users understand that they will be shown ads, and in exchange they get a free game. Obviously not everyone installs, some people exit the setup program because they don't think it's worth having ads (it's likely they suspect spyware - but no spyware is used) in exchange for the game. Also all the ads display my logo and say they are not coming from the site the user is browsing, as well as providing uninstallation instructions on every ad displayed.

I would have given more information about this is the first post, but I was concerned that some people might assume that this was spyware when in fact it is 100% legitimate, and I haven't received any complaints from users (only thank yous.)

This kind of advertising is obviously no different from the advertising displayed on any site. In fact it can be assumed better as only offers that the user is interested in are displayed and the user has actively requested that they receive these ads. Please do not mistake this for any kind of malicious software that you hear about. In reality there is little of that type of software around anymore as spyware is now illegal in the US, but the spyware removal companies don't want you to know that, or they wouldn't be able to scare people into buying their expensive software. (I recommend Ad-Aware which has always been more honest about these things.)
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Ali
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Underworld 1020,

I've taken a look at your game, and although it's nice, it doesn't have enough professional quality for me to be interested in buying distribution rights. Plus I already have a similar type of game.
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Posted: 13th May 2005 16:11 Edited at: 13th May 2005 16:11
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Hope I don't sound too harsh, here, but if you're serious about trying to assure people that what this is is adware, and not spyware, then I suggest making it easier for users to read the EULAs from the software.

Giving 3 lines of space is unacceptable, and it's a common tactic the spyware companies use to make it inconvenient to read over the EULA.




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I don't have any games but I do have a list of applications that I have written:

KNet ~ A small, functioning HTTP/1.1 webserver

Krypt ~ A text encryption/decryption application - supports RC4, MD5, Base 64, DES and ZPF - my own (as yet uncracked) algorithm which you would also have the source code to.

File Krypt ~ A file encryption program which supports hex and binary encryption.

3y3Play ~ A tiny MP3 player that sits in your task bar it uses very little system resources. The idea is that you use it while performing memory intensive tasks.

That's about it for the moment, you can find more about them on this page:

[href]www.btinternet.com/~douglas.marsh/software.htm[/href]

BTW: They are written in PureBasic. I can perfor any additions or modifications if you choose to buy them.

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Quote: "Hope I don't sound too harsh, here, but if you're serious about trying to assure people that what this is is adware, and not spyware, then I suggest making it easier for users to read the EULAs from the software.

Giving 3 lines of space is unacceptable, and it's a common tactic the spyware companies use to make it inconvenient to read over the EULA."


A quick copy and paste into notepade solves that problem. And the EULA only says exactly the same thing as what it says above it - just in a long legal type way. The main content of that page says that New.net lets you access new domain extensions, and it displays search results on 404 error pages, or when you type a keyword directly into the address bar. That's exactly what it does, and this is just as legally binding to New.net as what's written in the EULA.

Though the other two programs there have actually updated thir disclosure (I just make the disclosure pages look like they tell me to) so that the EULA won't appear in a small box like that. RelevantKnowledge has requested that the main content be displayed in the EULA box as well, so the box can be larger. And WhenU has a new disclosure screen where there will be a link to the EULA so it can be displayed in full screen. Because let's face it, installation screens come in standard sizes and there's just no room! New setups programs with this update will be uploaded soon.

Also, as I said, spyware is now illegal in the US due to the US Spy Act.

I don't think I really have to prove this isn't spyware, because it doesn't look or act remotely like spyware, so there's nothing left for me to say. If you have something against advertising that the user has asked for and knows about (like this) rather than advertising that is forced upon the user (like when they visit a web site - not that's there's anything wrong with this either) then feel free to shout and stamp your feet. But none of my users seem to care, because anyone who doesn't want it doesn't install in the first place.
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Any intrest in my applications?

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Well, I tried...



Check Out My Site Here: http://www.freewebs.com/underworld1020/
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Hi, Ali!
Nice thread! Really interesting!
So.. I guess I have something tha' can be interesting to you! I'd get bored in the project ( for the PUZZLE GAME COMPO) and I really wanna a motivation to continue that! It's a simples, but original puzzle game!
We can rather keep contact by eMail, 'cuz I cant post screenShots here due those "less trustworthy" ppl...

I guess it is really a nice project (I don't if tis is cuz I'm not a professional gameDirector )...
I HAVE THE FiRST STAGE FINISHED AND I KNOW THE TECHINES FOR CREATING THE NEXT LEVELS WITH MANY MANY OBSTACLES AND MORE "HEAD-BREAKERS" PUZZLES.. IF YOU SEND ME AN eMAiL I'LL KEEP GiViNG iNFORMATiONS FOR YOU... IF YOU REALLY WANNA BUY THAT, IT CAN BE FINISHED IN A WEEK OR LESS.. THE QUESTION IS: MOTiVATiON =]

So.. The offers is out... If wanna get it, I'll commite me to push that forward...

Ty, Ali!

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Quote: "Any intrest in my applications?"


Sorry, I'm only looking for games and screen savers.

Quote: "We can rather keep contact by eMail, 'cuz I cant post screenShots here due those "less trustworthy" ppl..."


Please send me a couple of screenshots and a link to where I can download a demo to:
[email protected]
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I don't post that much but I browse the forums a lot

@Ali, in your post above you mention that it is not spyware (this is just a friendly observation)

Spyware definition: A general term for a program that surreptitiously monitors your actions.

Quote: "RelevantKnowledge"


Taken from the license agreement @ http://www.relevantknowledge.com/Agreement.htm

Quote: "While participation in our program will allow us to send you periodic surveys and track information about your online activities such as where you surf and the transactions that you make, the personally identifiable information you provide to us will NOT be used by us, or anyone with whom we do business, to advertise or market products or services to you!"


Are your downloads holding to the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) since they will also be downloading the games but if you look in the companies (that you mention) agreement, you will notice that they may have an age restriction to participate in the use of the software. Adware ad's are based on what your browsing habits are so if daddy looks at naughty pics then are the ad's generated by this Adware going to pop up naughty stuff in juniors face, not good.

Not that I am trying to start anything but all of this stuff should be in print BEFORE any user downloads any file as well as in the software agreement.
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