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ReneGade RG
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Who thinks that slimline PS2's are useless!? They aren't a portable console so size doesn't matter and they are more expensive than a normal PS2!!!!

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ps2 are useless all together - go xbox

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That's how sony make their money...

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Quote: "ps2 are useless all together - go xbox"


That was just plain random!

Quote: "That's how sony make their money...
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Maybe so...

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I have a slim PS2. It works better than buy old fatboy one


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Sony sucks. Period.

and im not gonna go into why... for the 9 trillionth time...


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ReneGade RG
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Quote: "I have a slim PS2. It works better than buy old fatboy one "


That's interesting! In what way?

Quote: "Sony sucks. Period.

and im not gonna go into why... for the 9 trillionth time..."


Hey...look....for my 9 trillionth time, I don't care! The subject is PS2 slimline specific, I don't want comments about PS2 overall sucking!

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Quote: "That's interesting! In what way?"
For me, space and noise. A friend has the slimline one, and it fit's nicely into a small space, and makes no noise. Mine (bought day of release for like 3 times as much) sounds like a small plane (is louder than my projector for gods sake) and isn't conveniently hidden away because of it's size. Gotta prefer the slide out DVD draw though.

Quote: "The subject is PS2 slimline specific"
Yep, must keep to the parameters of this very important subject

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Quote: "Yep, must keep to the parameters of this very important subject "

lol!

Now I'm gonna twist the subject alittle, who thinks all these were useless:
GBA SP(more expensive and still the same console)
GBA micro(no longer backwards compatible to older GB titles and more expensive)
thousands of different controllers(stick with the good old dualshock,still has the square and circle button)



Now this is gonna be mayhem!

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Also no more damned Disc read errors! And it is easy to clean the laser lens if they do occur!


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GBA micro is actually smaller for a reason - so it fits in your pocket like a phone. The loss of backwards compatablity is because you wouldn't want the big cartridge sticking out the top of a tiny device and it keeps the design smaller.

You have a point about the GBA SP. After Nintendo spent ages designing a comfortable GBA, they then decided to make a less comfortable one - though it is slightly more compact and it has a backlit screen. Anyway, whats the point of the PSP. It has the same gameplay oppurtunities as the GBA except that it can play movies. If I wanted to watch a movie I'd watch it at home on a big screen, buy a portable DVD player or a DS attachment. The PSP is more pointless that the GBA Micro as it has the same gameplay oppurtunites - with better graphics but still on a small screen - but is bigger!

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Personally I like all of the Nintendo consoles... (mainly because I like all of the nintendo characters such as Mario,Luigi,Starfox,Pokemon,Zelda and all of the other Super Smash Brothers)

I've never really considered a console useless.. they all have their good games and bad games..

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I think I speak for around 90% of this forums populace when I say that I dont give a flying donut acrobat monkey about it. Just play what you like and be done with it. What makes you think people are really going to be bothered by what you do or do not like?

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Why don't we all settle our differences and complain about the REAL usless enemy here. The new GameBoy.



Now really.

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It's a simple case of product extension, the PS2 is old now, so by releasing something a little bit different new people may think it's a little bit cooler, or people with broken PS2's may replace theirs with something that is noticably different. Of course people who aren't up to date with technology may think that the new PS2 is 'faster' or something


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Quote: " or people with broken PS2's may replace theirs"

That is exactly why I bought one


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Just bought a second-hand "fat" PS2 for my son last week. I have to say, I haven't found a game yet that keeps me interested for more than an evening.

I can buy a budget PC game that will keep entertained for weeks. No contest.

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Quote: "Why don't we all settle our differences and complain about the REAL usless enemy here. The new GameBoy."


mwhahaa All Hail the Micro!
You know it's a cool novelty but I hope it markets for like £30-35, because otherwise it's gonna be expensive and not able to see jack all on it.

Though on topic.
Playstation 2 - £80
Playstation 2 Slim - £110

There's like £30 which is hardly enough to warrent this whole 'is it worth it?'

If you have a PS2, of course it's not [censored] worth it. It's the exact same console. If like me though you had a PS2 that wasn't able to use DVDs anymore (and Sony unwilling to do anything unless I sent them money) .. then the Slim was the only option.

- It's small enough to be portable, with the LCD Screen we keep ours in the Car like we used to keep the PSOne in there.

- It's SILENT, which is good considering the last one sounded like an aircraft carrier. Fans in consoles = BAD!!

- It can use far more formats (any DVD/CD format available at the end of 2004)

- It has built-in Ethernet for Broadband "out-of-the-box"

- It's made of higher quality materials, meaning you can drop it without it breaking (this happens A LOT in my house hold)

- It's controller is higher quality and actually feels like something you want to use rather than some cheap plastic knock-off you'd expect down the market.

- The Cooling Strip looks pretty cool, erm but don't touch it cause it's a metaphore for saying I think the design is awesome not for the fact that it's temperature actually reaches enough to burn you after a few hours play.

In closing... if you don't see a point in it, then don't buy it. No one is forcing you too, except Sony who seem to have made the Playstation 2 last as long as the warrenty forcing you to buy something that actually WORKS.

No sodding way I'm buying a first generation Sony machine again, as this happend with the Playstation, again withg the PS2. Chances are the PS3 will be a colossal waste of money if I get the first edition. Think I'll wait a year for the price to bottom out to something reasonable and the hardware quality to improve after all the complaints.

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For all of thoose poeple who like good graphics, dont put down sony, they kicked x-box 360's butt at E3 cubed.

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PS3 was shown at E3?

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Good graphics alone shouldn't be enough to make a good console. At this rate the PS8 (in a few decades) controller will be just a single big button to press to start real-time rendered cut scenes!!!

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Quote: "For all of thoose poeple who like good graphics, dont put down sony, they kicked x-box 360's butt at E3 cubed."


a/ E3 stands for Electronic Entertainment Expo, it's not ment to stand for a Math equasion; just a play on words so to speak.

b/ Sony weren't willing to have any of thier Software on-show to the public outside of thier Press Conference. This on it's own is enough to raise suspicion about what they were claiming it could achieve.

Several people (including myself) were working for Microsoft the last few weeks with High-Resolution videos of the Playstation 3 footage, along with the 'Technical Specifications' from NVIDIA about the RSX to determin what was authentic and what wasn't.

I can tell you know, graphically I'm not even close to worried about the power of the Playstation 3. It is an impressive console, with one hell of a Graphics Processor. Fact of the matter remains though that it can only technically achieve 3x the Graphics level of current top-end PC Graphics Cards.

If your expecting to play Killzone 2, or Final Fantasy VII with the graphics depth shown off at E3 in a real-time game. Think again.

Microsoft on the other hand (largely due to the company I'm working for at the moment) had some very impressive games that were ready to play at E3, which achieved best of show.

Perfect Dark Zero as well as Kameo and the Elements of Power, were two of the most impressive games on display; what made them more impressive was there were running at only 1/3rd of what the X-Box 360 is capable of, and still using X-Box Compatible Shaders.

In other words, we have 6 months left; then you'll see exactly what the new X-Box is capable of. Games like 'The Getaway 2' are impressive on the Playstation 3, but there was an X-Box racing title at E3 that had very similar graphics; as well as real-time effects that were far more impressive.

It's not what hardware you have, but if you know how the hell to use it. Unreal 3 and Gears of War run almost the same speed as it did on the Playstation 3 on the X-Box 360.. your not going to be seeing much in the way of difference between the consoles.

Power doesn't mean that you'll see better and better titles either; it just means developers can be lazy. Look at the PC, developers very rare optimise thier games as far as they're capable because you can just tell the end user to upgrade thier CPU or GPU.

Why spend months optimising a title when you can just release and bam! a few extra months with money commming in. It's as simple as that really.

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The girl from Perfect Dark Zero looks like she has the potential of being cut in half by a single bullet.

http://www.beactive-wa.org/images/pdz2.jpg

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perhaps, but the environments around her look gorgeous.

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Renegade12345 -

Do you just have to get your opinion seen on here, no matter how many new topics you make?

Frankly the slim ps2 is a nice thing (even though I still have my first day PS2).

Now stop making topics for a few days and go outside or something.

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i hate sony. ps2's dont start up half the time....

program 'till your butt falls off, and never give up.

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Maybe if you didn't use it as a base for your mini-microwave, it would work sometime.

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I quite enjoy the new slim ones... MUCH more quiet, and they seem to read discs better, only because they have new readers i assume.

Not to mention they're much smaller, and easier to carry it with you. I usually bring it to school to plug up to the tv as a DVD player, and for some games..

Personally though, i think Microsoft are the ones that should've come out with this first.. that thing's the incredible hulk of consoles.



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I bought a slim PS2 and it has been working fine for me. I got it because my other PS2 fell and broke, something the Xbox would never do. The silly PS2 and the regular PS2 were the same price at the store I got it, but I wanted the slim because I can sit it on top of my Xbox. There is only one problem I have with it, sometimes when I got to turn it off my hand rest on top of the disc door and it pressed down on the disc scratching it. Nothing serious so far, but you should try to avoid doing it if you can.
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The only problem I have with my PS2 is that it gives a disk read error 1/10 of the time (and sometimes consistantly refuses to read a particular disk), other than that it is as excellent a console as any other. I really can't see the reason anyone has to "hate" Sony. There are hundreds of excellent games for the PS2, so people honestly can't complain about the lack of decent games (anyone who does is obviously an "I soley love this console and I'm not going to sway for any reason whatsoever" ignorant git). I'll probably get a PS3 for the simple reason that it will play all the PS2 games that I have .

But on the topic of the slimline PS2, my friend has one, and they seem good enough. There's no point buying one if you have a PS2 that works most of the time, but if you want a PS2 and don't already have one, then why not buy it?

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i have a first generation big-ass ps2, and it stopped working with any kind of reliability about a year ago. now, i'm not sure if that's because it wasn't built very well or because my cat liked to sleep on it and my dog liked to walk into the controller wires and pull the thing off the shelf. anways, my parents bought me a slim ps2 for christmas. the positives are as follows:
-i have a working ps2
-built in network jack
-the size. the thing is so damn light and small that it makes it incredibly easy to bring over to a friends room or the lounge or something.

the size is really the big thing, in that it's not big, um, i give up on this sentence, i think you know what i'm trying to say. the only thing i don't like is that you can't get a hdd for it, and the top loading cd is kind of a double edged sword, it's easier to clean the lense (you can actually do it without voiding the warranty now) but you can't put anything on top of it or stand it verticle.

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Quote: "the only thing i don't like is that you can't get a hdd for it"


I've never seen anywhere that sells a PS2 hard drive . I thought they never really took off.

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Well... You REQUIRE one for Final fantasy 11, which means you have to buy an old ps2.



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yea, i don't know if they ever took off, but i do know people who have them, so i know they exist, heh.

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The slim PS2 does have an integrated network adapter, so maybe that is why it cost more in some places.
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Graphics, effect wise, aren't all that important to me. If it can set the mood right, then I'm happy.

I mean, a game like Katamari Damacy will look terrible if it used uber realistic lighting and high poly models. For some reason, it manages to use simple, boxy models and still look great.
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Useful:
PS2 Slim - Cheap new PS2, fits in with everything else, old PS2 would not fit.
GBA SP - It added the light, and the fold over made it fit in your pocket and protected the screen. It also added rechargable battery, which has saved me money that would have otherwise been spent on a ton of AAs.
thousands of different controllers - Provides interesting gameplay across different consoles. I do not like dualshock.

Useless:
GBA micro - I doubt my big fingers will be abel to operate it properly, and my poor vision will not be helped by its small screen.



But...um....yeah. Try to keep it all in one thread at least.

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I think the GBA Micro would be useful if the DS hadn't just come out and meant all the new big games go on DS. I know the backwards compatability will encourage a few developers to make GBA games still but most will want to use the DS' power and also the touch screen. If you buy a GBA Micro - although its a nice small console - pretty much your'll be stuck with the game library that is already available.

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we don't know anything really about the GBA Micro, other than it's a ridiculously small GBA.

provided it's cheap, I can see it being something cool; like a novelty item or something.

i mean i've never had problems fitting my GBA-SP in my pocket, but the games were annoying. (thought tbh i prefered the GBA nmothing is made for that now )

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I think the GB Micro (IMO) is the stupidest thing Nintendo has come up with yet... atleast in the american market. Japanese people have small fingers, so it's more reasonable for them

The GBASP is like a double-edged sword. For 1, you get the nice backlit screen. But on the other hand, the take away the 1/8 HP jack. That pissed me off having to buy a 15$ "Addon" peice just so other didn't have to hear the Boss Music from Megaman Zero (or whatever exciting game I was playing that week - or in the case of the Final Fantasy 1&2 pack - month). So really, no matter which one ya got, you were getting screwed in the ass. I had the SP for the most time none the less. Then I sold it when I decided I really didn't need to have a game system everywhere I went... and maybe socialize with people instead of staring at Samus roll up into a ball and go in a tight area, ooh Samus, how I love the abilit..... NVM.

Saying that, I probably will get a PSP when more of these UMD movies come out. I'd rather portably watch a movie then play a game anyday. That and Its an MP3 player. Plus its getting a Devil May Cry game...

Ok... so I'm getting a PSP cause It has a thousand and one uses

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I had a GBA with an after burner back lit screen - which has the merits of both GBA and GBA-SP.

I read in a magazine that the DS can actually play movies aswell. It said at E3 they showed the Zelda Trailer was on a DS cart. I really can't see the merits of a PSP over the DS. Its not letting you play games that you couldn't before. Its letting you play games that you can play on a home console, play GBA style games but with much better graphics and watch DVDs that you can watch at home or watch on a DS when they release them. The DS, however, lets you play games that you couldn't play before - even on home consoles - since they have hardware (touch screen and dual-screens) that isn't available on any other console.

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Nintendo should have taken the PSP seriously, and now thier ignorence is coming back and biting them in the crotch.

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Quote: "Nintendo should have taken the PSP seriously, and now thier ignorence is coming back and biting them in the crotch."


Nintendo DS is out-selling the Sony Playstation Portable by 3:1 world wide (according to Nintendo, and the lack of rebutle from the usually vocal Sony on putting down Nintendo indicates that it's true), and in Europe we still don't have this promised machine from Sony.

In short, what exactly do Nintendo have to be taking seriously?
Nintendo DS has over 8x the titles comming out over the next year, they're support is excellent providing an easy development migration from thier previous platforms.

When you take into consideration the cheaper overall and title cost of the system; and the fact that Nintendo aren't selling the console at a huge loss (unlike Sony).

It is hard to take them seriously.
After all all the PSP has going for it is the better graphics. Even in that particular aspect; your not getting Playstation 2 level graphics like were promised and 'hinted at' with the Ridge Racer images on the machine.

Graphics wise, actually both consoles aren't exactly in different leagues. While sure the Playstation Portable is capable of pushing something like 2x the polycount; actual screen effects the Nintendo DS is capable of using Hardware Shaders (thanks to the GeForce3D GPU); which is how Nintendogs is capable of having that realistic fur and materials.

I guess it does all come down to which you prefer, but market-wise it's obvious that Nintendo still know firmly what they're doing in the handheld market. You can't argue with thier 90% market ownership.

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Isn't it at most a 75% market share if its 3:1?

Or are you included the GBA aswell?

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Yes.. because the PSP and NDS only actually account for less than 2% of the total market right now.

While the market share of DS over PSP seems quite large in itself, both pale incomparison to Nintendo's ownership of the market as a whole.

It's very scarey when you think about the fact that Nintendo sold more Gameboy Advance / SP over the last 5years than Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo sold thier living room consoles combined.

As I said. They know what they're doing, and the market isn't even close to open. Sony are hoping that features and thier name will make a dent like the Playstation did. Difference is, Nintendo were always largely rivaled in the Living room by Sega.

In the Handheld market they've always commanded a Microsoft-eque lead over the rest. It'll take more than some advanced technology in the palm, and the Sony Playstation brandname to actually affect Nintendo at this point.

As I said before this isn't the first time, and I doubt it'll be the last the Nintendo fend off a technically superior machine from being top-dog.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2005 18:38
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Quote: "technically superior machine"


I agree with everything up until this statement. Since this is a handheld GAMES console market - not a phone or mp3 player - I would consider the DS the technically superior machine since it has better gaming hardware - the touch screen and the dual screens.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2005 19:00
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That doesn't make it a technically superior machine, just something you'd personally find providing what you'd expect.

You know the ironic thing is the NDS is actually capable of everything the PSP is.

It can play movies, music, surf the internet, email, record voice, take dictation, connect to any computer peripheral (like your printer with Pictomail heh); seemless wireless connectivity.. to the point where your in-range of someone else you can play them at anything. Nintendog was a very good demonstration of short range connectivity, but this actually extends next year with online variation of that. Meaning you can connect to anyone world wide provided your within a WiFi Internet Enabled Network Range.


From a technical stand-point the PSP does it all, and could do it better. Just fortunate for us that Nintendo actually have the ideas to backup the hardware.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2005 19:12
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Amen to that.

I was browsing through the game list and this one game, Lost in Blue, caught my eye. Story goes two kids are stranded on an island, from what I can see you have to perform tasks to survive and eventually (hopefully?) get off the island. I've seen interesting uses of the touch screen with hunting, digging in the sand, starting fires, and milking a cow.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2005 19:49
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That looks quite good. Though they would have to make sure to include a variety of touch screen tasks. Would be lame if every task just involved sweeping the stylus backwards and forwards as fast as you can.

Quote: "Just fortunate for us that Nintendo actually have the ideas to backup the hardware."


Hopefully the DS will get a ton of exclusives from 3rd party developers wanting to make use of the touch screen technology. I for one would love to develop a game using touch screen and 2 screens rather than a game with double the number of polygons. There already seems to be a lot of games on the way for DS (though I will admit the current library is a bit lacking). Would would be nice to see is if the DS can connect to the Revolution and access its own library of small mini-games, ones like the mini-games in Mario 64 DS.

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Problem is, guys... The DS is incomplete. Many of the games won't last you that long! I played on the DS and the PSP! I can give you the main bad points:
1.In pacpix, all you do is draw Pacman and scribble about all the time!
2.In warioware touched, the game has no point at all and the mini-games are as pointless as one another!
3.Games like Ridge Racers on the DS, suck compared to their PSP brothers!
4.Many of the functionalities like Picto Chat are pointless and suck thanks to the rubbish wi-fi!
5.Sometimes, I like to watch movies and listen to music, the DS does have a chip that allows you to play movies (but then what is better? XXX or Spongebob!? Enough said.)
6.Trying to make a modern-console-quality-game is almost impossible, just look at Asphalt Urban GT and how mucked up it is, then look at Ridge Racers and just how unproffessional it looks on the DS and amazing on the PSP!
7.What's the whole point of having a second screen? It just adds to the price, I can easily just press START and look at the map on the PSP!
8.What happens when you lose the stylus? Now you're left to smudge to screen with your sweaty fingers!
9.Aaaaah! Nintendogs! Ooh, touchscreen! I guess I can now punch those dirty puppies where it hurts! Or poke them with a stick (move along, Lucky, move along!)
or just take a shotgun (you know what happens next!)

The PSP failed to add anything new to games except make you play home-console-quality-games on a handheld device, I think that's already an achievement!
DS could have been amazing if Nintendo put alittle more effort in!

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